[Yose]

Congratulations to anyone here actively contributing to this achievement.

TOBACCO DEATH TOLL COULD REACH 1 BILLION THIS CENTURY, STUDY FINDS
WebPosted Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:41:08

---Tobacco is on course to kill a billion people this century â€” 10
times the toll it exacted in the 20th century â€” if current trends
continue, public health officials said Monday.

Worldwide, tobacco causes one in five cancer deaths, or 1.4 million
deaths each year. An estimated 1.25 billion men and women around the
globe smoke cigarettes.

The staggering statistics, detailed in the new Cancer Atlas and updated
Tobacco Atlas, were released at the International Union Against Cancer
conference in Washington, D.C., on Monday.

Health officials said that reducing tobacco use, improving nutrition and
decreasing infection by cancer-causing viruses could cut global cancer
rates sharply.

"We know with cancer, if we take action now, we can save two million
lives a year by 2020 and 6.5 million by 2040," said Dr. Judith Mackay, a
World Health Organization senior policy adviser.

The numbers in Canada are similarly sobering with tobacco use accounting
for almost 30 per cent of all fatal cancers. Health Canada projects
153,100 new cases of cancer and 70,400 cancer deaths for 2006.

According to Statistics Canada, 22 per cent of Canadians aged 12 or older
were smokers in 2005, down from 23 per cent in 2003.

The cancer and tobacco atlases were published by the American Cancer
Society with assistance from the World Health Organization and the
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Copyright (C) 2006 CBC. All rights reserved.

[turtle777]

Tobacco does't kill people, cigarettes...

Uhm, no, wait ?

-t

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

Tobacco does't kill people, cigarettes...

Uhm, no, wait ?

-t

Tobacco doesn't kill people…people kill themselves with tobacco.

(shhhhhhh…it's a secret don't tell anyone)

[paul w]

Originally Posted by smacintush

Tobacco doesn't kill people…people kill themselves with tobacco.

(shhhhhhh…it's a secret don't tell anyone)

You're one of those who believes secondhand smoke has no ill efects, and pregnant mothers should smoke as well?

[Yose]

Originally Posted by paul w

You're one of those who believes secondhand smoke has no ill efects, and pregnant mothers should smoke as well?

Actually, I once asked a pregnant coworker who was out smoking why she was doing that.

Apparently, the strain on her body from nicotine withdrawl could/would have damaged the baby or caused miscarriage.

But maybe that was just a story she told me, I don't know.

[BRussell]

Originally Posted by Yose

Actually, I once asked a pregnant coworker who was out smoking why she was doing that.

Apparently, the strain on her body from nicotine withdrawl could/would have damaged the baby or caused miscarriage.

But maybe that was just a story she told me, I don't know.

Haha.

[Rumor]

Smoking kills. That's why I chew.

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by paul w

You're one of those who believes secondhand smoke has no ill efects, and pregnant mothers should smoke as well?

…aaaaaaaaand how exactly did you glean that from my post?

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Yose

Actually, I once asked a pregnant coworker who was out smoking why she was doing that.

Apparently, the strain on her body from nicotine withdrawl could/would have damaged the baby or caused miscarriage.

But maybe that was just a story she told me, I don't know.

Did you know they took the word "gullible" out of the dictionary?

[ShortSkirts68]

Originally Posted by smacintush

Tobacco doesn't kill people…people kill themselves with tobacco.

(shhhhhhh…it's a secret don't tell anyone)

Problem is, tobacco owns politicians, which is why it's still legal. I don't understand why a substance that does NOTHING for people except get them addicted, ruin their lungs, harm the environment with so much litter etc is legal. Oh wait. Yes I do. It was introduced a long time ago, and very deceptively got a huge userbase of addicts.

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by ShortSkirts68

Problem is, tobacco owns politicians, which is why it's still legal. I don't understand why a substance that does NOTHING for people except get them addicted, ruin their lungs, harm the environment with so much litter etc is legal. Oh wait. Yes I do. It was introduced a long time ago, and very deceptively got a huge userbase of addicts.

God forbid people take responsibilities for their own stupid addictions.

[ShortSkirts68]

They did... but the problem is back in the day, tobacco companies suppressed findings on just how bad smoking is for your health. They held it back as long as they could, and by then they had MILLIONS of people addicted to their products. The only reason it's still legal is because they purchased a lot of hte government.

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by ShortSkirts68

They did... but the problem is back in the day, tobacco companies suppressed findings on just how bad smoking is for your health. They held it back as long as they could, and by then they had MILLIONS of people addicted to their products. The only reason it's still legal is because they purchased a lot of hte government.

Yet, in the real world, real doctors and real researchers haven't suppressed anything, and it has been known for decades that smoking was bad.

This is 2006, there are STILL people taking up smoking everyday, and it's their own f*cking fault.

[Gossamer]

I wouldn't group all of tobacco in there, just cigarettes. Hookah can be a very pleasant and social experience. So can pipe smoking. I don't think either are as addictive as cigarettes.

[Doofy]

Right, here's a (unverified) fact which may put a slightly different slant on things:

There are more people alive right now than have ever died.


So it stands to reason that the number of people dying of <pick a particular thing> will be greater than ever before.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by ShortSkirts68

a substance that does NOTHING for people

1) Do you know how hyper I'd be if I didn't smoke? I'm already 100 mph all the time. Last time I gave up, within two days I felt like starting a gang war.

2) If I didn't smoke, I wouldn't be able to flip the butt out of the car window, which wouldn't annoy anyone. Which would be a completely wasted opportunity.

[ShortSkirts68]

Originally Posted by smacintush

Yet, in the real world, real doctors and real researchers haven't suppressed anything, and it has been known for decades that smoking was bad.

This is 2006, there are STILL people taking up smoking everyday, and it's their own f*cking fault.

Sure, because there is an established group of addicts. Thing is, the tobacco companies effectivel;y cheated to get a head start, they supressed health concerns, and promoted smoking in every way they could to get a HUGE userbase. Once that userbase was addicted, health concerns would not deter them. So effectively, they've cheated. I say we ban smoking for 10 years, and reintroduce smoking to see who actually starts without a huge group of people who already smoke. I'm guessing not very many people would.

[ShortSkirts68]

Originally Posted by Doofy

1) Do you know how hyper I'd be if I didn't smoke? I'm already 100 mph all the time. Last time I gave up, within two days I felt like starting a gang war.

The only calming effect of smoking a cigarette is caused by deep breathing. Next time you feel hyper, grab a plastic straw and pretend it's a cig. You will calm down the exact same way.

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by wikipedia

In small doses nicotine has a stimulating effect, increasing activity, alertness and memory. Repeat users report a pleasant relaxing effect. It also increases the heart rate and blood pressure and reduces the appetite. In large doses nicotine may cause vomiting and nausea. Large doses are poisonous to most animals and to humans.
Nicotine seems to provide both a stimulant and a depressant effect, and it is possible that the effect it has at any time is determined by the mood of the user, the environment and the circumstances of use. Studies have suggested that low doses have a stimulant effect, while higher doses have a depressant effect.

Nicotine also causes calmness.

[ShortSkirts68]

Not much. Almost the entire smoking makes me calm thing = deep breathing.

[greenG4]

I always thought that if you're a smoker who dies of lung cancer, your life-insurance shouldn't get paid. It's just a slow form of suicide right?

[Yose]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Did you know they took the word "gullible" out of the dictionary?

Gullible? I just wasen't going to get into an argument with my pregnant boss over her smoking habit.

[Velocity211]

It's so weird walking down the street and seeing people killing themselves slowly. Why do people smoke? WHY?!?!

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by ShortSkirts68

Sure, because there is an established group of addicts. Thing is, the tobacco companies effectivel;y cheated to get a head start, they supressed health concerns, and promoted smoking in every way they could to get a HUGE userbase. Once that userbase was addicted, health concerns would not deter them. So effectively, they've cheated. I say we ban smoking for 10 years, and reintroduce smoking to see who actually starts without a huge group of people who already smoke. I'm guessing not very many people would.

See, thing is…that's bullshit.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Velocity211

It's so weird walking down the street and seeing people killing themselves slowly. Why do people smoke? WHY?!?!

I don't know, but I see people lining up to kill themselves slowly at McDonalds, so you might start by asking them.

[smacintush]

"Life itself is a disease with a very poor prognoses. It lingers on and on, and invariably ends in death…!" - Carl Jung

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by Gossamer

I wouldn't group all of tobacco in there, just cigarettes. Hookah can be a very pleasant and social experience. So can pipe smoking. I don't think either are as addictive as cigarettes.

Pipe smoking is NOT addicting, even with high-nicotine-content pipe tobaccos like Latakia or Perique.

10-year+ pipe smoker who can go for days without a pipe.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by ShortSkirts68

The only calming effect of smoking a cigarette is caused by deep breathing.

To the best of my knowledge, breathing involves:

1) Hemoglobin travels to lungs.
2) Picks up oxygen, becomes oxyhemoglobin.
3) Travels to other area of body.
4) Dumps oxygen, becomes hemoglobin again.
5) Cycle restarts.

In a smoker, the hemoglobin picks up not oxygen but carbon monoxide - becomes carboxyhemoglobin. Since the carboxyhemoglobin cell can't actually get rid of its cargo in the same natural way that an oxyhemoglobin cell can, it's effectively taken out of use in the blood stream and can no longer be used for oxygen transport.
Since the smoker then has less hemoglobin moving oxygen around until the body manufactures replacements, it creates a calming effect because there's simply less oxygen getting to the body.

[kaze0]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

I don't know, but I see people lining up to kill themselves slowly at McDonalds, so you might start by asking them.

Except as far as I know, McDonalds isn't addicting.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by smacintush

This is 2006, there are STILL people taking up smoking everyday, and it's their own f*cking fault.

The problem with that view is that most people actually start smoking in their teens, when they're NOT fully responsible for their actions.

[kaze0]

Can we ever ditch smoking? Don't we get soooooooooo much tax from each sale that it would kill to illegalize it?

[production_coordinator]

Originally Posted by kaze0

Can we ever ditch smoking? Don't we get soooooooooo much tax from each sale that it would kill to illegalize it?

No... it wouldn't. They would simply tax something else.

All I care about... is making it illegal to smoke in public places. I'm fine if you want to smoke in your care [while alone] or in your house... but I don't want you smoking near me in public.

Every day, I walk through "smokers paradise" [a courtyard on my way to work]. It makes me ill.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by production_coordinator

I'm fine if you want to smoke in your care [while alone]

Arh, dictating what we can do in our own cars now. We can smoke while alone but not if there's someone else there? Where will it end?

Can I go to the toilet please sir?

Originally Posted by production_coordinator

Every day, I walk through "smokers paradise" [a courtyard on my way to work].

Any idea why they're all there in that courtyard?
Yep, that's right - because the anti-smoking nazis said they can't smoke indoors. So they're outdoors. Now you want to ban them from there too.

If it makes you ill, have you ever thought of walking a different route to work? Or wouldn't that be enough like having your cake and eating it?

Originally Posted by production_coordinator

It makes me ill.

Having to look at people eating makes me ill. Can we ban that in public too? And fat people. And ugly people.

[JoshuaZ]

I'm not not mistaken, your heart exploding from overeating is a more common death, but Wisconsin still makes a lot of damn cheese without health warnings on it.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by kaze0

Except as far as I know, McDonalds isn't addicting.

What does that have to do with what I was talking about?

[Zeeb]

Originally Posted by Doofy

Arh, dictating what we can do in our own cars now. We can smoke while alone but not if there's someone else there? Where will it end?

Can I go to the toilet please sir?

If its your car its not a public place, you can destroy your own health there.

Any idea why they're all there in that courtyard?
Yep, that's right - because the anti-smoking nazis said they can't smoke indoors. So they're outdoors. Now you want to ban them from there too.

If it makes you ill, have you ever thought of walking a different route to work? Or wouldn't that be enough like having your cake and eating it?

Anti-smoking nazis? You sound like you believe its your right to smoke right at your desk and expose everyone around to the nasty effects of your disgusting habit. You actually sound bitter.

Having to look at people eating makes me ill. Can we ban that in public too? And fat people. And ugly people.

Having to look at people eating makes you ill? what? so I guess you get all your nutrition from nicotine? A person being fat or ugly has no effect on your personal health. But being exposed to your smoke sure does.

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by kaze0

Can we ever ditch smoking? Don't we get soooooooooo much tax from each sale that it would kill to illegalize it?

But millions, perhaps billions would be saved on heath care costs and people not buying cigarettes, but putting the money elsewhere.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Zeeb

If its your car its not a public place, you can destroy your own health there.

You will note that production_coordinator said "if you're alone".

I'm sorry. If I'm in my car and I'm not alone the passengers have two options: Put up with it or walk.

Originally Posted by Zeeb

Anti-smoking nazis? You sound like you believe its your right to smoke right at your desk and expose everyone around to the nasty effects of your disgusting habit.

Yes, I do believe it's my right to do that. But then I own the company, I own the building, I own the desk, I own the chair. If a customer or worker doesn't like me smoking, they're free to leave.

But no, some a-hole decided to remove my choice in the matter because the customers and workers didn't exercise theirs.

Originally Posted by Zeeb

You actually sound bitter.

Yes. I'm bitter about nazi a-holes banning everything.

Originally Posted by Zeeb

Having to look at people eating makes you ill? what?

Yep.

Originally Posted by Zeeb

so I guess you get all your nutrition from nicotine?

Why? Is it a legal requirement to look in the mirror when you're eating now?

Originally Posted by Zeeb

A person being fat or ugly has no effect on your personal health.

I'm sorry, are you my doctor? Or just spouting the one-size-fits-all policy of those who like to ban things?

Originally Posted by Zeeb

But being exposed to your smoke sure does.

No, it doesn't. It's all BS.

[Chuckit]

You don't think carcinogens are harmful?

[sek929]

If he passes by a diesel bus instead of a pack of smokers I'll wager dollars to donuts it is worse for his health.

Oh and Doofy

I get revolted by seeing a 300 pound lady scarf down burgers, yet there is no active legislation to ban these monsters of the new age. I think people need to mind their own f**kin business, I dislike smoking indoors anyways, now I can't smoke outside? Hah! yeah right, ban petrol burning cars first and they we'll talk.

Oh and I'm sure those of you who eat McDonalds know very well of the "McDonalds High" It is very addictive, I'm sure of it. Anyways, food in general is very addictive, why else are 50% of Americans obese?

Don't tell me what to put in my body, say what you will behind my back, drink your wheat juice, and shut the F**K up when I light a cig.

[SexySkirts]

Originally Posted by smacintush

See, thing is…that's bullshit.

Not really. Try to bring a product to the market that has similar qualities to cigarettes... it won't even be legal. The only reason it's still around is because they have a large mass of addicts, thus a guaranteed influx of money, thus enough to pad politician's pockets with.

[SexySkirts]

Originally Posted by sek929

Oh and I'm sure those of you who eat McDonalds know very well of the "McDonalds High" It is very addictive, I'm sure of it.

See, thing is, you're wrong. There is nothing chemically addictive about mcdonalds.

As for smoking outside, I have no problem with smoker smoking outside.... AS LONG AS THEY PUT THEIR BUTTS IN AN ASHTRAY. The filters on cigarettes are mainly plastic, and do NOT decompose as some smokers would 'like' to believe. Every year BILLIONS of cigarette butts are thrown into the environment, where they sit. And sit. And sit. It harms wildlife, as some animals eat them or use them to build their nests (and htey're chock full of bad ****, carcinogens, etc), and it's just gross looking. I hate getting to a beautiful place and finding cigarette butts laying around. It's just ****ing disrespectful.

Same goes for smoking while driving: use hte ashtray. Aside from starting massive forest fires, it's ****ing the same thing: Smokers who like smoking, but don't want their car to 'stink' or have 'dirty ashes'. **** that. It's part of the package. Smoking DOES stink and DOES cause ashes. If you can't handle that you should quit smoking.

[sek929]

I can go weeks without cigs (two weeks ago I went 5 days not craving one)

I enjoy them, I'm not a slave to them (yet of course, only been smokin for 2 years)

I find it hilarious that most non-smokers push the falicy that smoking does NOTHING, and that we smoke only due to addiction. I smoke because I enjoy it, why else would I do it?

[sek929]

Originally Posted by SexySkirts

See, thing is, you're wrong. There is nothing chemically addictive about mcdonalds.

Duh, but seriously...prove me wrong.

McDonalds make people CRAVE it, it IS addictive if not chemicaly then mentally or habitually.

If you have any proof that says otherwise I'd like to see it. America is the land of the fat, and our drug is food.

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by Doofy

2) If I didn't smoke, I wouldn't be able to flip the butt out of the car window, which wouldn't annoy anyone. Which would be a completely wasted opportunity.

Asshole.

[SexySkirts]

Originally Posted by sek929

I find it hilarious that most non-smokers push the falicy that smoking does NOTHING, and that we smoke only due to addiction. I smoke because I enjoy it, why else would I do it?

You enjoy it because you're addicted.

[SexySkirts]

Originally Posted by sek929

Duh, but seriously...prove me wrong.

McDonalds make people CRAVE it, it IS addictive if not chemicaly then mentally or habitually.

If you have any proof that says otherwise I'd like to see it. America is the land of the fat, and our drug is food.

http://money.cnn.com/2003/01/22/news...alds/index.htm

Case: McDonalds is addictive

Result? Thrown out because it's bullshit.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by kaze0

Except as far as I know, McDonalds isn't addicting.

But KFC is! Fhe colonel puts something in his secret 11 herbs and spices that makes me crave it fortnightly!

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by Doofy

No, it doesn't. It's all BS.

I have met only one other person who believed unequivocally that smoking doesn't hurt anyone. You are he second dumbest person on the planet and the very first person in the six years I've been on this forum to actually make it on my ignore list.

Christ you're a f*cking retard.

[SexySkirts]

My grandma smoked her whole life until 3 years ago. Then she had to start carrying around oxygen tanks w/ those tubes up your nose. Looks like lots of fun.