[memento]

I just went out and bought a new Yamaha external firewire CDRW. My decision was based largely on the fact that this Yamaha drive is listed as being fully supported by OSX. My rev 1 B&W G3 will burn for a few seconds, then the recording fails. If I boot into 9.2, everything is wonderful, so I KNOW the drive is working properly.

I need help! Why won't my supported drive work in a supported machine (with OSX)?

[ 04-26-2002: Message edited by: memento ]

[Guy Incognito]

Hmmm...the topic title was misleading. Anyways, send an e-mail to the manufacturer, they might be helpful.

[memento]

thanks, I fixed the typo in the subject line.

The manufacturer has stated that the drive is fine because it works in 9.2. It appears to be an OSX thing.

Are there issues with firewire on OSX and rev 1 BW G3's? I remember in OSX 10.0, I couldn't use my sony DVMC firewire video adapter without iMovie freezing. I'll have to try that with 10.1.4.

If that is the case, does anyone have recommendations for a cheap PCI firewire card that will work?

[jguidroz]

At least your firewire ports work on your Rev.1 B&W G3. I didn't find out mine didn't work until 3 years after I bought the computer.

[memento]

But my 17" Apple Studio Display just died yesterday. The symptoms are similar to those documented by others over the past year. Apparently nothing I can do about it.

So I'll be happy if I can just get my firewire CDRW to work in OSX! (even if I have to buy a firewire PCI card)

[Loco Bozo]

B&W G3s have flakey firewire ports. Your only recourse may be to get a firewire PCI card.

Sucks, don't it?

[michel]

i have had similar trouble... but my trouble stems from the inability to burn from a firewire hard drive to a firewire CD-R. seems like x just does not like burning from firewire to firewire. can burn just fine from internal drive to CD-R. i've heard of people having trouble also getting digital video from a firewire camera to a firewire drive... hopefully 10.1.5 or higher will address this.

[angelmb]

I can�t burn with Toast 5.1.3 in Mac OS X 10.1.4 with my B&W G3, the process starts but never finish, in Mac OS 9 it works just fine. The burner is a supported QPS Fire 8x4x32. But if I plug the same QPS to my Pismo 500 it works perfectly in Mac OS X 10.1.4 and Toast 5.1.3 (both the same version of the B&W G3), I have not an answer to this issue. Just ??

Regards.

[memento]

we're in the same boat, then. I found out that there's a firmware update for mine - I'll have to try it tonight after I buy a new monitor. I plan on trying to burn with it with my wife's iMac tonight to verify that it works ok. I'm sure it'll work fine because I've already burned with it in 9.2.

Still looking for a firewire PCI recommendation for B&W G3 rev 1...

[Spheric Harlot]

What CD-Burner would this be then?

I'm looking into purchasing one, and I've found a good offer on the Yamaha 2200 IX-VK 20x FireWire one....will it burn off the internal drive?

[milhaus]

Originally posted by michel:
<STRONG>i have had similar trouble... but my trouble stems from the inability to burn from a firewire hard drive to a firewire CD-R. seems like x just does not like burning from firewire to firewire. can burn just fine from internal drive to CD-R. </STRONG>

Not true. Might be your specific setup, because mine works just fine. Currently, I am using a Lacie FWHD to internal Lite-on 24x, burns at max speed. But I used to used daisy chained Lacie FWHD to Lacie 24x FW plugged into the hard drive, and it worked perfectly fine - full speed ahead.

[kennethmac2000]

Does the command line version of AppleSystemProfiler also say that your drive is fully supported?

[memento]

command line version? Tell me how to run it and I'll let you know. Remember, my drive is listed on apple's website as being fully supported.

I tried the drive in my wife's iMac with 10.1.3 and everything works beautifully (using discburner, not toast).

[smeger]

I've got a B&W Rev 1 and I'm burning without problems to a Que Firewire CD-RW. I've heard that the Rev. 1 has flakey firewire ports, but I haven't seen it.

Unless that's why I need to reboot between uses of my Holleywood Dazzle Firewire video bridge.

[bmedina]

smeger, is that in OS X?

I have the same problem. The problem has been around ever since OS X was released. My Firewire CDRW works fine in 9 on my B&W G3, but it has never worked in X.

[Big Red]

Back when I actually had OS X running (major problems right now), I could burn to my EZ Quest firewire from iTunes with my rev.1 B & W, but couldn't get it to burn any data disks successfully. I think this was under 10.1.3.

Sometimes I need to wiggle the fw port to get the drive to show up, but it usually works fine. Installs and ripping go a lot faster from this drive than they do with my internal.

[Northform]

The problem might be an incompatability with the firewire bridge chip (in the drive). By supported Apple means that the drive will work in X, but may not with all bridge chips. External firewire drives use a bridge chip that converts the ATAPI/IDE input/output to firewire I/O and vice versa. Some bridge chips are designed poorly and may cause problems and incompatabilities. In 9 does it work with Apple's built-in disc burner or using Toast. Toast supports many more configurations than Apple. It would also be a case of Apple not adding support for that bridge chip in X yet.

[memento]

The drive works in OS9 with Toast and discburner. In OSX id does not work with Toast or discburner. Also, with respect to the firewire bridge chip compatability, Apple states that my drive as an external unit is supported. Based on that statement, they are saying that whatever the bridge chip that is in my drive enclosure works.

[bmedina]

Exactly. But there's a bug with the Firewire implementation and OS X in our computers that Apple apparently doesn't consider important enough to fix. The drives work fine otherwise (i.e. you can mount CDs); you just can't burn with them. Also, they work fine (reading and writing) with other models of computer.

It's very annoying, as my CD burner is sitting collecting dust right now.

[smeger]

Originally posted by bmedina:
<STRONG>smeger, is that in OS X?</STRONG>

Yes, I've never tried it in OS 9. I've only burned CDs using Toast, but I've never made a coaster. I've had no problems at all (except that the drive doesn't show up as a burner in iTunes, but since I use Toast, I don't really care).

[kennethmac2000]

Originally posted by memento:
<STRONG>command line version? Tell me how to run it and I'll let you know. Remember, my drive is listed on apple's website as being fully supported.

I tried the drive in my wife's iMac with 10.1.3 and everything works beautifully (using discburner, not toast).</STRONG>

You obviously didn't get the hint then. I said AppleSystemProfiler, not Apple System Profiler.

[angelmb]

Please note that I can burn cd with my QPS Que! Fire 8X4X32 with Toast 5.1.3 in Mac OS X 10.1.4 in my Pismo 500 1 GB RAM, but with this same burner I can�t in my G3 B&W 350 (256 MB RAM) with identical versions of Mac OS X and Toast... Why??, I don�t know...

I remember that in previous beta versions of Toast for Mac OS X, the QPS with FireWire bridge causes a kernel panic (readme file of Toast).

[memento]

From command line AppleSystemProfiler:

FireWire device info
GUID = a0de0100012de5
Vendor ID = 41182x
speed = 400 Mb/sec
unit SW Version = 10483x
Disc burning:Fully supported
Device information
Vendor name = YAMAHA
Product name = CRW2100IX
Product Identification = Maxtor 98196H8
Vendor Identification = ATA
Product Revision Level =

Note that Disc burning is "fully supported". I guess I'll just have to buy a firewire PCI card. Any recommendations? Kensington? Que?

[kennethmac2000]

Originally posted by memento:
<STRONG>From command line AppleSystemProfiler:

FireWire device info
GUID = a0de0100012de5
Vendor ID = 41182x
speed = 400 Mb/sec
unit SW Version = 10483x
Disc burning:Fully supported
Device information
Vendor name = YAMAHA
Product name = CRW2100IX
Product Identification = Maxtor 98196H8
Vendor Identification = ATA
Product Revision Level =

Note that Disc burning is "fully supported". I guess I'll just have to buy a firewire PCI card. Any recommendations? Kensington? Que?</STRONG>

OK. Fair enough. Just that I've seen some machines where the GUI ASP says 'Supported' but the CLI version only says 'Partially supported'.

[edddeduck]

Originally posted by kennethmac2000:
<STRONG>

OK. Fair enough. Just that I've seen some machines where the GUI ASP says 'Supported' but the CLI version only says 'Partially supported'.</STRONG>

Like my ricoh drive

[kennethmac2000]

Originally posted by edddeduck:
<STRONG>

Like my ricoh drive </STRONG>

Yeah, like your Ricoh drive that you got for a tenner at Ingliston Market.

[Zim]

Originally posted by memento:
<STRONG>I just went out and bought a new Yamaha external firewire CDRW. My decision was based largely on the fact that this Yamaha drive is listed as being fully supported by OSX. My rev 1 B&W G3 will burn for a few seconds, then the recording fails. If I boot into 9.2, everything is wonderful, so I KNOW the drive is working properly.

I need help! Why won't my supported drive work in a supported machine (with OSX)?

[ 04-26-2002: Message edited by: memento ]</STRONG>

The place for you to go is
http://xlr8yourmac.com/

for all matters related to the B&W G3 (especially the rev 1).

I have a rev 2, with an external Firewire CD-R (Lite-on 16102B in a ADS Pyro case). I had trouble with CDRWs, but have been cranking out CDRs for months without trouble.

Mike

[memento]

Well, I have the answer (for my situation, at least). I bought a $39.99 Keyspan firewire PCI card. All is well again.

So total I spent $140 for a 16x10x40 external firewire cdrw. not too bad.