[Logic]

Jewish settlers 'attack' US workers

So where's the condemnation?

Disgusting behaviour

Discuss!

[itai195]

Originally posted by Logic:
So where's the condemnation?

I was wondering the same thing.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...=1096344046647

[Logic]

Originally posted by itai195:
I was wondering the same thing.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...=1096344046647

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

first post and my (unofficial) prediction came true. But how about staying on topic and start a new thread about that attack?

[itai195]

What's the point? We can spend all day condemning 10 different attacks from all sides.

[Logic]

Originally posted by itai195:
What's the point? We can spend all day condemning 10 different attacks from all sides.

But yet you(plural) claim that I and other Muslims need to condemn every attack made by a pseudo-Muslim in this world

So, two posts by you and you still haven't condemned the attack on people escorting kids to school. Why is it so difficult to condemn Israelis? Are they sacred in your(again plural) eyes?

[itai195]

I accept that you and other Palestinian supporters on this forum implicitly condemn attacks on civillians such as the one I mentioned, so why can't you guys accept that the reasonable Israel supporters would do likewise?

What I disagree with is the attempt to separate Muslim attackers from Islam.

[Logic]

Originally posted by itai195:
I accept that you and other Palestinian supporters on this forum implicitly condemn attacks on civillians such as the one I mentioned, so why can't you guys accept that the reasonable Israel supporters would do likewise?

Because you are probably the only pro-Israeli that I've actually heard condemn attacks like these without any attempts(like above ) to put the blame on the Palestinians

What I disagree with is the attempt to separate Muslim attackers from Islam.

Why do you disagree with that?

[lil'babykitten]

I'm sure vmarks will come in here with some kind of rationalisation sooner or later. Either that or he'll send an email out to the pro-Israelis spouting some BS justification...

[itai195]

Originally posted by Logic:
Because you are probably the only pro-Israeli that I've actually heard condemn attacks like these without any attempts(like above ) to put the blame on the Palestinians

It's pretty well established that a lot of the settlers in and around Hebron are capable of doing something like this. I wouldn't tar all settlers with the same brush, because many of them go to the settlements for economic reasons, but there are certainly bad eggs who would behave like this and deserve condemnation.

Why do you disagree with that?

I think everyone has a responsibility to police their own religion. We all have to take some responsibility to prevent evil acts being done in our names.

[Logic]

itai:

Fair enough.

In news related to the article you posted:

Shouts of "death to Arabs" could later be heard in the area, reports said.
Source

More racism from the Israelis.

[PacHead]

lol

[dcolton]

not much of an article, eh. Sounds more like a mugging to me.

But...DAMN THOSE KILLER ISRAELI's! How dare they live in Palestinian violence and let it affect them.

[eklipse]

Originally posted by dcolton:
...How dare they live in Palestinian violence and let it affect them.

Interesting. Can Palestinians 'live in' Israeli violence and 'let it affect them' too?

[dcolton]

Originally posted by eklipse:
Interesting. Can Palestinians 'live in' Israeli violence and 'let it affect them' too?

Expected but accepted

[Logic]

Originally posted by eklipse:
Interesting. Can Palestinians 'live in' Israeli violence and 'let it affect them' too?

tsk tsk. You know it doesn't go both ways. It's only the Israelis that are allowed to commit massacres, kill and torture. Why do you think they(80% of them anyway) are the chosen people?

[dcolton]

Originally posted by Logic:
tsk tsk. You know it doesn't go both ways. It's only the Israelis that are allowed to commit massacres, kill and torture. Why do you think they(80% of them anyway) are the chosen people?

because God said so.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by dcolton:
because God said so.

I believe only one god said so. Most of the others appear not to have said anything on the matter.

[Splinter]

Originally posted by Logic:
Jewish settlers 'attack' US workers

So where's the condemnation?

Disgusting behaviour

Discuss!

well If it had been roported here or should I say updated since it first came out I would have. http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/483300.html

thats the aritcle I read and at the time it had looked to be a Palestinian attack on them... I didnt say "hey wheres the condemnation on this attack?!" when I thought it was a Palestinian attack yet you feel the need to when its some crazy assed settlers. but are you wondering maybe why we arnt calling for the government to cease its attacks on the Palestinian people? because unlike the Palestinian attacks this is not condoned by Israeli governemtn thus the investigation and arrests etc etc... sigh

Am I saying its alright then? no. But you cant jsut go comparing attacks and expect us to start yelling at the israeli government like we do at the PA for attacks like this. But we sure as hell can yell at whoever did this no problem. Many of the religious settlers especially are very fanatic.

[angaq0k]

Originally posted by dcolton:
because God said so.

dcolton is like Joan of Arc...

[Taliesin]

Originally posted by itai195:
I was wondering the same thing.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...=1096344046647

Wait, you want to say that one israeli civilian (though I doubt that settlers can be called civilians) and three israeli soldiers in Gaza and two civilians in Israel (children) were killed and about fifteen wounded by palestinians, while the israeli army...
Quote from the page you linked to:

"At least twenty-eight Palestinians were killed and 100 wounded in clashes with security forces in the Gaza Strip since Wednesday."

What do you want to convince me of? That israeli lifes are worth more? I have heard that before, and the media not only israeli media, but also european and american media has that same opinion.

Taliesin

[macvillage.net]

lol..

notice how dcolton actually defended violent crimes, solely on the attacker's religion.

Interesting.

But he's not a bigot. He just acts like one.

[dcolton]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
lol..

notice how dcolton actually defended violent crimes, solely on the attacker's religion.

Interesting.

But he's not a bigot. He just acts like one.

What? Nevermind, don't expect much more from you anyway. I am just happy that your post is less than 1000 words and lacks the usual made up information (with the exception of your typical bigot comment).

[itai195]

Originally posted by Taliesin:
Wait, you want to say that one israeli civilian (though I doubt that settlers can be called civilians) and three israeli soldiers in Gaza and two civilians in Israel (children) were killed and about fifteen wounded by palestinians, while the israeli army...
Quote from the page you linked to:

"At least twenty-eight Palestinians were killed and 100 wounded in clashes with security forces in the Gaza Strip since Wednesday."

They've updated the article with new news since I posted it, notice the date line. Anyway, Logic and I already discussed why I posted it, so no worries.

[Taliesin]

Originally posted by itai195:
They've updated the article with new news since I posted it, notice the date line. Anyway, Logic and I already discussed why I posted it, so no worries.

Oh, I see, I guess that's a feature of internet-news, ever changing. But it's still interesting to see nearly live what I have always claimed, that Israel is killing palestinian civilians in a disproportional ratio, right now it seems to reach 1 to 10. But we seldom see live-tv-pictures of these military operations of Israel, while the retaliation of palestinians is nearly always filmed and broadcasted by western media. I guess another media-ban is in place for Gaza these days.

Taliesin

[Splinter]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
lol..

notice how dcolton actually defended violent crimes, solely on the attacker's religion.

Interesting.

But he's not a bigot. He just acts like one.

And you just act like you have a pineapple up your ass?

read his post.

Originally posted by dcolton:
because God said so.

Read what he was quoting.

Originally posted by Logic:
tsk tsk. You know it doesn't go both ways. It's only the Israelis that are allowed to commit massacres, kill and torture. Why do you think they(80% of them anyway) are the chosen people?

He was replying to the part where 80% of them think they are the chosen people. Not about the massacres. Are you seriously that desperate to make him look bad that you would take a post and just put a little bad twist on it and hope no one has a 5th grade or over reading comprehension, seriously?

Your down in your arguments to personal attacks on him and your flailing even there. Next time try and base your criticism on something that can't prove your lying on that very page.
GJ

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally posted by Logic:
Jewish settlers 'attack' US workers

So where's the condemnation?

Disgusting behaviour

Discuss!

IMHO, it's not that the world has less sympathy for the Palestinian plight, per se, as much as it realizes the PA leadership is intractable or immovable and unreasonable when it comes to reasonable negotiations which would help it's people.

Shouldn't you be asking why the PA doesn't vie for peace?

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally posted by Logic:
Jewish settlers 'attack' US workers

So where's the condemnation?

Disgusting behaviour

Discuss!

"Israel, I have been thinking...you and I need to stop this nonsense once and for all! I want us to co-exist. What can I do to make this possible?"

It's as simple as that.

[Saad]

Originally posted by aberdeenwriter:
IMHO, it's not that the world has less sympathy for the Palestinian plight, per se, as much as it realizes the PA leadership is intractable or immovable and unreasonable when it comes to reasonable negotiations which would help it's people.

Shouldn't you be asking why the PA doesn't vie for peace?

Brcause the PA is ineffective and corrupt, it makes it OK for settlers to attack Americans?

[Busemann]

Slightly off topic, but why can't everyone live together in this area? People live together all over the world, why do we need two states separated by religion down there?

And if the US don't want the increased hatred against them, why do they continue their relentless support for one of the sides?


oh well

[Taliesin]

Originally posted by aberdeenwriter:
IMHO, it's not that the world has less sympathy for the israeli plight, per se, as much as it realizes the israeli leadership is intractable or immovable and unreasonable when it comes to reasonable negotiations which would help it's people.

Shouldn't you be asking why the israeli government doesn't vie for peace?

I understand your confusion , but it's not that difficult to understand why Israel doesn't want peace: Because it can't win much through peace, instead loses much. Numerous problems would arise, should Israel really agree to a peace-aggreement (in the version of seperated independent states, not in the version of the unified Israel-Palestine-solution, which would be even more problematic for Israel) with the palestinians:

1. Territory-loss: Israel would have to give up the dream of the recreation of "Eretz Israel". East-Jerusalem would have to be given back to the palestinians, the settlers in Westbank would either have to accept to live in a palestinian state or return to Israel. Regardless what decision the settlers come to, the israeli army would have to withdraw from Westbank nonetheless.

2. Water-loss: Probably not many know that, but one of the most important issues, but not discussed in main-stream-media, is the issue of water. Currently the water in the region in Gaza and espescially in Westbank is being used nearly completely by Israel, while the palestinians aren't allowed to dig new wells. So a peace-aggreement would have to make the sure that the water used by Israel and Palestine is evenly split.
But I've heard of a technology which makes it economically possible to transfer sea-water into drinkable water, so that could help.

3. Financial-loss: the 3 billion dollars a year would be surely reduced considerably once peace is achieved with the palestinians, as the US would decide to help the new palestinian state to build up..

4. Ideological loss: The great unifier of the israeli society was always the propaganda of being in a state of defense-war against the arabs, a sort of fight for survival in an unwelcoming place. The retaliation-operations of Hamas and others have strenghtened that perception, and let all other problems in Israel take a second- or third-place in mind. After peace with all neighbouring countries as well as with the palestinians, that great tool of "we versus rest" would diminish, and all the suppressed problems of israeli society would come to surface, like the animosities between the arabic jews and european/russian/american jews, or the animosities between the jewish and islamic israelis, etc...

So, that are in a nutshell a few of the reasons why Israel's elite and governments are not interested in a peace-agreement with the palestinians.

Taliesin

[Troll]

Originally posted by Saad:
Brcause the PA is ineffective and corrupt, it makes it OK for settlers to attack Americans?

Hold on, you just pointed out a logical flaw in his argument.

Foreign agent, foreign agent!

Originally posted by Wisekdjak:

I believe only one god said so.

Reminds me of a Beautiful South song called One God. Some great lyrics. What the heck, post the whole damn lot here:

One God - The Beautiful South
Like the toupee on a fading fame
The final whistle in a losing game
Thick lipstick on a five year old girl
It makes you think it's a plastic world

A plastic world and we're all plastic too
Just a couple of different faces in a dead man's queue
The world is turning Disney and there's nothing you can do
You're trying to walk like giants
but you're wearing Pluto's shoes

And the answers fall easier from the barrel of a gun
Than it does from the lips of the beautiful and the dumb
The world won't end in darkness, it'll end in family fun
With Coca Cola clouds behind a Big Mac sun

A howling scream in a church asleep
Rusty bicycle in an ocean deep
Like an ear-ring on the newly born
Strong perfume on a winter's morn

The world is perfumed and we're perfumed as well
Petals from a flower that blossomed in hell
And you can't breathe the air through the thickness of the smell
And you can't see the hair through the grease of the gel

And the answers fall easier from the barrel of a gun
Than it does from the lips of the beautiful and the dumb
The world won't end in darkness, it'll end in family fun
With Coca Cola clouds behind a Big Mac sun

You say there's only one God, you could do with two or three
Your Jesus Christ is hired out, like the slag of Galilee
Well if Peter is a prostitute, then what does that make me

There's only one God
There should be two or three
One God
There should be two or three
One God
There should be two or three
Two or three

[ebuddy]

masked attackers they suspect were Jewish settlers while escorting Palestinian children to school.

How can we condemn that which we suspect? Would I ask a Muslim to apologize for an attrocity committed by a Palestinian by virtue of the fact that the perpetrator came from a region consisting mostly of Muslims or do I ask for an apology only when a beheading is conducted in the name of Allah? There's a difference. Did these "suspected Jewish settlers" mame these individuals in the name of the God of the Torh? No. Well, no comparison. I'm sorry this happened to them much like I'm sorry people are mugged in NewYork everyday. Human nature is disappointing. I will not ask for an apology from you regarding human nature.

The mere fact that you would offer this as "Zionist" persecution of the Palestinian proves how far you'll stretch to propogate hatred for people.

[Spliffdaddy]