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New Powerbook keyboards, are they still translucent? Sean/Jay?
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Nov 12, 2002, 12:08 AM
 
This picture:

http://www.sowelu.com/storage/pbkb.jpg which orignated from http://www.apple.com/pr/photos/pbg4/0211pbg4.html appears to show a solid color keyboard. Could Sean or Jay verify or deny that this shows the correct state of the new (or old if possible) keyboards on the Powerbook?

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Nov 12, 2002, 12:25 AM
 
More importantly, the font used for "PowerBook" has been changed. I guess Apple Garamond is dead!!
     
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Nov 12, 2002, 12:38 AM
 
Originally posted by sunkist:
http://www.sowelu.com/storage/pbkb.jpg which orignated from http://www.apple.com/pr/photos/pbg4/0211pbg4.html appears to show a solid color keyboard. Could Sean or Jay verify or deny that this shows the correct state of the new (or old if possible) keyboards on the Powerbook?
Doesn't look like a actual picture, but a computer generated mock-up.
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Nov 12, 2002, 12:49 AM
 
LOL! Computer mock-up? Even the one from Apple's own site?
     
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Nov 12, 2002, 12:53 AM
 
Just a guess on my part. But doesn't look like a photo to me.
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Nov 12, 2002, 12:55 AM
 
Most people should know that images off of Apple's site are actually 3-D computer generated models. If you didn't, now you do Thats another reason why the Quicksilver mold lines didn't appear on the PowerMac imges.
As for the keyboard, its pretty much the same. It's recessed a very small bit and seems a bit tactile, but I can't say its much of a difference. Yes, the new font on the powerbook is the Myrad. In all honesty I can't say there's much of a cosmetic difference in the keyboards. I havn't been able to compare two side-by-side yet. If anything its less translucent or about the same.
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Nov 12, 2002, 01:00 AM
 
Sidenote: Upon closer inspection, I'm inclined to say the keyboard's appearance hasn't changed.
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Nov 12, 2002, 01:01 AM
 
Most people should know that images off of Apple's site are actually 3-D computer generated models. If you didn't, now you do Thats another reason why the Quicksilver mold lines didn't appear on the PowerMac imges.
As for the keyboard, its pretty much the same. It's recessed a very small bit and seems a bit tactile, but I can't say its much of a difference. Yes, the new font on the powerbook is the Myrad. In all honesty I can't say there's much of a cosmetic difference in the keyboards. I havn't been able to compare two side-by-side yet. If anything its less translucent or about the same.
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Nov 12, 2002, 10:44 AM
 
That is NOT a computer generated image. It's a photo that has obviously been retouched extensively. (also the reason the mold lines were absent in the photos)

Quit spewing misinformation around like you know what you're talking about.
     
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Nov 12, 2002, 11:04 AM
 
Check out the PC-card slot in the first and the last pic. They are different (-ly raytraced/rendered?).

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Nov 12, 2002, 11:56 AM
 
I vote 3-D rendering (the speaker looks a little too flat, there's no edge or radius where the screen and diplay border meet).

Apple does all its computer industrial design work in Alias|wavefront's AutoStudio. It's much simpler to render out the models than to have them photographed then Photoshop the **** out of them (plus it aids in security). I would bet all the QTVRs of the products are 3-D models. Alias provides a free plug-in for such a task.

Alias has a quiz where one can decide if it's a real product or a 3-D rendering.
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Nov 12, 2002, 01:15 PM
 
http://www.sowelu.com/storage/pbkb.jpg is most certainly a 3D rendering. As an illustrator /photrealist painter/computer graphics, it is not a photo.
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Nov 12, 2002, 01:19 PM
 
Yes it is.

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Nov 12, 2002, 01:31 PM
 
you know computers have come a long way when we (as computer expertes and alike) can tell reality from 3D render....bravo to tech!
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Nov 12, 2002, 01:38 PM
 
Originally posted by scottiB:
I vote 3-D rendering (the speaker looks a little too flat, there's no edge or radius where the screen and diplay border meet).

Apple does all its computer industrial design work in Alias|wavefront's AutoStudio. It's much simpler to render out the models than to have them photographed then Photoshop the **** out of them (plus it aids in security). I would bet all the QTVRs of the products are 3-D models. Alias provides a free plug-in for such a task.

Alias has a quiz where one can decide if it's a real product or a 3-D rendering.
OK. Got only 7 out of 10, but I had my suspicions with 2 of the ones I got wrong. (ie. two I thought looked pretty real, but a little too perfect. The last one I got wrong I was fairly sure was a fake, but it was real.)

Thus, I decree, with a 70% degree of certainty, that the keyboard photo is a 3D rendered picture. Actually, to my uneducated eye, that picture looks a helluvalot more rendered than almost everything on the Alias web test (except the face picture).
     
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Nov 12, 2002, 02:38 PM
 
I've got 10 out of 10 !!! (on the first try that is !)

proof:
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Nov 12, 2002, 02:59 PM
 
9/10. I missed the four glasses pic.
     
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Nov 12, 2002, 06:34 PM
 
Originally posted by xtro:
That is NOT a computer generated image. It's a photo that has obviously been retouched extensively. (also the reason the mold lines were absent in the photos)

Quit spewing misinformation around like you know what you're talking about.
Do you work for Apple? Does Apple send you packets of information in regard to product marketing? No, so get YOUR facts straight before you even start to discredit my information
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Nov 12, 2002, 06:57 PM
 
Jesus... you obviously know nothing about 3D rendering. That image is not computer generated. Simple as that.

What color is the sky in your world, anyway?

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Nov 12, 2002, 07:03 PM
 
I work for Apple. I know for a FACT that all images on Apple are computer generated 3D models. Simple as that. Where's my proof you ask? Go talk to Jobs on a conference call.
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Nov 12, 2002, 07:06 PM
 
btw, I use Maya, Lightwave and many other apps as a living...so obviously I do know something about 3D rendering, modeling, NURBS, Particles, key frames, stages, casts and so many more things it'd make your head spin. I'm not about to get into a pissing contest here...I just know, simple as that, and you don't--you'd rather say whatever the hell you want rather than be right, like me. Get lost, honestly.
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Nov 12, 2002, 07:31 PM
 
I can Google up some nice 3D terminology too. Key frames? Stages? Throwing around generic 3D terms makes you look like a genius, right?

I know my way around Lightwave and Cinema 4D too pal, but me posting words from their manuals makes me look like I'm trying too hard (sound familiar?) so I won't bother.

I know for a FACT that all images on Apple are computer generated 3D models.
ALL the images? That is completely and utterly stupid. Look around man, there are a few that are extensively touched up, but others that are not even questionable - they are photos.

Wait, we should all read your sig and bow our heads to you. Why not add your bank balance while you're at it.
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Nov 12, 2002, 08:03 PM
 
Originally posted by xtro:
I can Google up some nice 3D terminology too. Key frames? Stages? Throwing around generic 3D terms makes you look like a genius, right?

I know my way around Lightwave and Cinema 4D too pal, but me posting words from their manuals makes me look like I'm trying too hard (sound familiar?) so I won't bother.



ALL the images? That is completely and utterly stupid. Look around man, there are a few that are extensively touched up, but others that are not even questionable - they are photos.

Wait, we should all read your sig and bow our heads to you. Bragging prick. Why not add your bank balance while you're at it.
Funny, I read this thread just after reading another one where it had to be explained to people that threads got closed because of whining and insulting of other members.

Everyone take a deep breath, or seven. Not to mention that whether or not the image is a photoshopped picture or a 3D mock up or a children's drawing is pretty much irrelevant since they can all be "faked". Are the new keyboards solid or translucent, that's the question?

The solid looks pretty cool, but I have a feeling it would show the wear marks on the keys a little easier (anyone with a well-used Lombard/Pismo/Wallstreet will know what I'm talking about here on the palm rests)
     
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Nov 12, 2002, 08:24 PM
 
(blows whistle)

That's it! Everyone out of the pool!

This is a simple light-hearted topic, telling computer rendered images from photographs, and asking about the translucence of the Powerbook keyboard. It didn't have to turn into a full blown assault.

Yes, many many marketing images for Apple Computer are 3d rendered, not photographed and retouched. Nearly every product image that does not appear with a person is rendered by a computer.

More importantly, it is simply not cool for people to show this much rancor and agression towards each other over such a small topic. Not in this forum, anyway.

JayTi, you're right, but being right doesn't mean much when you're winning an argument on the internet. I don't know if I would go advertising being employed by Apple when you're so angry, it doesn't really reflect well on you as a representative of Apple- which is precisely what you set yourself up as , when you say who you work for.

xtro, you cannot come in here and call people names, insult their intelligence, and generally offend people because they disagree with you.

Everyone agreed to be civil when they signed up for a user account here.


Knock it off.

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Nov 12, 2002, 11:06 PM
 
cool with me, I apologize, xtro-I'm venting. Yes the keyboards are translucent, that enough for everyone?
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Nov 12, 2002, 11:13 PM
 
Ah, I guess I let my temper get the best of me.

Sorry guys, won't happen again.
     
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Nov 13, 2002, 11:39 AM
 
Just as a side note, I got next to my PB at the same angle as that image, and the keyboard did not look translucent at all
     
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Nov 13, 2002, 11:58 AM
 
Definitely translucent.

The previous poster is right, if you do just the right angle and lighting, they don't look that way, though. Top-down view, very translucent looking.
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Nov 13, 2002, 04:00 PM
 
This will be my first ever Mac and I just want to say that all of you are extremely picky about everything down to the very font of the Powerbook logo as stated in other threads. Not a bad thing, I do admire the passion you have
     
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Nov 13, 2002, 09:26 PM
 
Originally posted by vmarks:
This is a simple light-hearted topic, telling computer rendered images from photographs, and asking about the translucence of the Powerbook keyboard. It didn't have to turn into a full blown assault.
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Nov 13, 2002, 10:16 PM
 
You can tell it's a computer rendering because the screen image goes all the way to the metal frame. On a real TiBook there is a black border around the image.

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