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AppleCrate II - 17 Apple IIe motherboards networked together
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Jul 31, 2008, 02:26 AM
 
Here is a YouTube video showing the AppleCrate II, a collection of 17 enhanced Apple IIe motherboards networked together for parallel processing, playing a rendition of the Beatles' "When I'm Sixty Four."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa_ONTDm35U

The AppleCrate II is itself the second incarnation of the AppleCrate, a collection of 8 Apple IIe motherboards networked together. Both AppleCrates were designed and implemented by Michael Mahon, a retired hardware/software engineer from Hewlett-Packard.

Over 25 years later, people are still finding new ways to push these old machines beyond their limits.
     
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Jul 31, 2008, 03:16 PM
 
46 views and not one reply. I thought at least someone would comment on this.
     
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Jul 31, 2008, 03:21 PM
 
It's pretty amazing that a $6 Hallmark card can do the same thing.
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Jul 31, 2008, 03:32 PM
 
Originally Posted by osiris View Post
It's pretty amazing that a $6 Hallmark card can do the same thing.
Yes. I'd like to see those little piezoelectric speakers do 16 voice music.
     
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Jul 31, 2008, 03:35 PM
 
Originally Posted by Person Man View Post
Yes. I'd like to see those little piezoelectric speakers do 16 voice music.
Ummm, I got a birthday card last week which plays a James Brown song. Vocals and everything.
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Jul 31, 2008, 03:45 PM
 
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Yes. I'd like to see those little piezoelectric speakers do 16 voice music.
Not midi, actual recordings.
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Jul 31, 2008, 04:00 PM
 
Originally Posted by osiris View Post
Not midi, actual recordings.
Yes, I know.

That's not the point, though.

This is something that he spent $50 on, (got 25 motherboards off eBay for $25), and it makes for a nice, simple way to demonstrate how distributed computing works. At 1 MHz speed one can see when the computers (via LEDs) send and receive messages, and one can switch the monitor inputs to see what each machine is working on at any one given time.

He also has a program that computes the Mandelbrot set and displays it on the graphics screen of the controlling computer. Each motherboard works on one line at a time and sends it to the display server. On one Apple II it takes 8 hours to display the completed picture. On this, it only takes 30 minutes.

Again, it can be used as an effective teaching tool, if nothing else.

Also consider that if this had been done in 1983, when the IIe was released, it would have cost $22,000 for the main hardware, alone.
     
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Jul 31, 2008, 04:00 PM
 
Originally Posted by Uncle Doof View Post
Ummm, I got a birthday card last week which plays a James Brown song. Vocals and everything.
Yes. It played a recording, which is about as fancy as you can get with piezoelectric devices embedded into greeting cards.
     
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Jul 31, 2008, 04:11 PM
 
Originally Posted by Person Man View Post
Yes. It played a recording, which is about as fancy as you can get with piezoelectric devices embedded into greeting cards.
And its far more powerful then the networked IIe setup
     
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Jul 31, 2008, 04:15 PM
 
Originally Posted by Person Man View Post
Yes, I know.

That's not the point, though.

This is something that he spent $50 on, (got 25 motherboards off eBay for $25), and it makes for a nice, simple way to demonstrate how distributed computing works. At 1 MHz speed one can see when the computers (via LEDs) send and receive messages, and one can switch the monitor inputs to see what each machine is working on at any one given time.

He also has a program that computes the Mandelbrot set and displays it on the graphics screen of the controlling computer. Each motherboard works on one line at a time and sends it to the display server. On one Apple II it takes 8 hours to display the completed picture. On this, it only takes 30 minutes.

Again, it can be used as an effective teaching tool, if nothing else.

Also consider that if this had been done in 1983, when the IIe was released, it would have cost $22,000 for the main hardware, alone.
Please don't misunderstand or underestimate my appreciation of this technology nor of this feat. It is amazing.
+Have you seen the BASIC code for this?

http://members.aol.com/MJMahon/ParallelSim.html
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Jul 31, 2008, 04:21 PM
 
Originally Posted by osiris View Post
Please don't misunderstand or underestimate my appreciation of this technology nor of this feat. It is amazing.
+Have you seen the BASIC code for this?

http://members.aol.com/MJMahon/ParallelSim.html
Yep.

And I've met and talked with it's creator.

He is obviously so knowledgeable about how all this works and everything that when he talks about it all I can do is just nod my head and smile. Three quarters of it just flies right over my head. Especially when he talks about even just the basics of synthesizing sound.
     
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Jul 31, 2008, 04:24 PM
 
Originally Posted by Maflynn View Post
And its far more powerful then the networked IIe setup
Not really. Those things are hard wired to just play their sound sample that's been burned into a chip. It would take a good deal more to turn it into a computer, by which point the card would cost about $25 instead of 6. Then it would be more powerful than the AppleCrate.
     
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Jul 31, 2008, 08:18 PM
 
Originally Posted by Uncle Doof View Post
Ummm, I got a birthday card last week which plays a James Brown song. Vocals and everything.
So it's like a walkman?

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