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Oct 28, 2001, 07:15 PM
 
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...experience.asp

The funny thing about the comparison is Microsoft seems to neglect that you have to pay for MP3 support for XP.
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Oct 28, 2001, 07:19 PM
 
To me it looks like :

"Can do a new feature nobody has an idea what it is but we made it and it's useless, but still we made it" : YES

"Can do proprietary stuff using our own methods than nobody except us as an idea how it works" : YES

I would like to see it compared to Gnome 1.4 + Linux Players..
     
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Oct 28, 2001, 07:24 PM
 


How ironic, and Apple in Janruary was making a fuss over how much better iTunes was to Windows Media player in Janruary. Although, Microsoft either dosen't know about or hasn't yet updated their site about iTunes 2... iTunes 2 now has an Equalizer and they didn't show other features of MP3 players. How typical...


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Oct 28, 2001, 07:26 PM
 
I've checked it out.

With the old SoundJam, I liked about 7 out of 10 of the skins available for it. (My favorite was the "rock" one. So minimalist. So Jetsons meet-the-Flintstones...!)

But I barely liked 1 out of 10 of the Media Player skins.

If you're going to skin something, at least make it appealing. Microsoft looks like it's got about as much finesse for doing skins as Hannibal Lector.
     
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Oct 28, 2001, 07:30 PM
 
I am pissed off about this. M$ isn't stating the facts here. They're just flat out lying. They chose to put "Display visualizations and lyrics while playing" in the same line because iTunes can obviously do visualizations. There is now an EQ, within the finder you can add whatever kinda album art you want to the finder icons of the mp3s, folders and the backgrounds of windows, and they say that iTunes doesn't have "1-click copy of MP3s and/or WMAs to supported Portable Music Players" which is sort of true, since it has ZERO click support for the iPod since it syncs automatically! And it has 1 "drag" support instead of 1 "click" support. Big friggin deal. Microsoft really gets to me.
     
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Oct 28, 2001, 07:33 PM
 
Originally posted by Drizzt:
<STRONG>To me it looks like :

"Can do a new feature nobody has an idea what it is but we made it and it's useless, but still we made it" : YES

"Can do proprietary stuff using our own methods than nobody except us as an idea how it works" : YES

I would like to see it compared to Gnome 1.4 + Linux Players..</STRONG>

That is what basically it sums up to.
     
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Oct 28, 2001, 08:04 PM
 
Can folks figure out how to use windows media player?

sometimes
ok, maybe not

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Oct 28, 2001, 08:04 PM
 
What is "Intelligent Media Tracking"?

Whatever it is I have a feeling I don't want it to be there.
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Oct 28, 2001, 08:08 PM
 
I find it funny that...
A. they lied on a couple of these.
B. The actual user experience is a lot more than a feature chart.
C. they did not compare iMovie to Windows Movie Maker.

     
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Oct 28, 2001, 08:10 PM
 
Here's part of a convo a friend of mine and I had over this... I changed his screen name for respect of privacy.

friend of mine: i like "intelligent media tracking"
Norm1985: lol
Norm1985: Whatever the hell that means.
friend of mine: let me translate: "idiotically keeps you from being able to share your files with people, or with yourself if you have more than one computer"
friend of mine:
Norm1985: lol
friend of mine: i don't like the new buttons on iTunes 2. they look so stone-aged :|
Norm1985: Same here.
Norm1985: Besides, I thought Apple was trying to promote the Aqua interface.
friend of mine: yeah really



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Oct 28, 2001, 08:21 PM
 
In these feature lists, they never actually list what I use the product for...

michaelb's use of Windows Media Player:

Watching bootleg downloaded .wmv's of Enterprise. (The guys who do them encode the 43 min episodes in 80MB .wmv format.)


And it's funny that they don't mention what everyone else uses Windows Media Player for:

Watching porn downloads.

Funny that.
     
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Oct 28, 2001, 08:25 PM
 
After actually using iTunes 2 those bottom buttons look like the brushed metal that the windows are made from. They are just lighter in color.

     
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Oct 28, 2001, 08:27 PM
 
Originally posted by michaelb:
<STRONG>In these feature lists, they never actually list what I use the product for...

michaelb's use of Windows Media Player:

Watching bootleg downloaded .wmv's of Enterprise. (The guys who do them encode the 43 min episodes in 80MB .wmv format.)


And it's funny that they don't mention what everyone else uses Windows Media Player for:

Watching porn downloads.

Funny that.</STRONG>
Uh, not to defend Microsoft here. (Although I do have a cousin who's part of NT devlopment ) But Windows Media Player is sorta like Quicktime, iTunes, and Apple DVD Player is to us, but merged. I know several Windows people who use Windows Media Player as their download/streaming media, music, and DVD player.

EDIT: I mean, the Mac version may only be good to watch .asfs, .wmvs, and .wmas, but the Windows version is an entire media client.

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Oct 28, 2001, 08:35 PM
 
Originally posted by Norm1985:
<STRONG>Windows Media Player is sorta like Quicktime, iTunes, and Apple DVD Player is to us, but merged. I know several Windows people who use Windows Media Player as their download/streaming media, music, and DVD player.</STRONG>
That's right.

It's a Jack of all trades, and does none of them particularly well.


(And can anyone spell "anti-competitive." Poor Real is going to be the next Netscape.)
     
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Oct 28, 2001, 09:58 PM
 
Originally posted by michaelb:
<STRONG>

That's right.

It's a Jack of all trades, and does none of them particularly well.


(And can anyone spell "anti-competitive." Poor Real is going to be the next Netscape.)</STRONG>
Actually, on my Athlon I have Windows Media player serve all my media viewing/listening tasks. (I paid for the DVD decoding and MP3 encoding capabilites) It does it fairly well.


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Oct 28, 2001, 09:59 PM
 
Damn... two things here of many that i hate about M$...

1. They alter the facts slightly to their benefit... although not serious, they still do (funny example is when they use Macs when advertising WinXP).

2. They decide: 'Hey, look at these products Apple has done, lets do them all, make all the features worse and less intuitive, put it in one whole package, throw in a few bugs and release it. F*ck the customers, we rule them, not vice versa!'

Probably many people out there that think I'm going a bit far.. but really, think about it ... since when was M$ a customer orientated company?

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Oct 28, 2001, 10:20 PM
 
Originally posted by Norm1985:
<STRONG>Actually, on my Athlon I have Windows Media player serve all my media viewing/listening tasks. (I paid for the DVD decoding and MP3 encoding capabilites) It does it fairly well.</STRONG>
Congratulations! A satisfied customer. They should have you stuffed and put over one of the fireplaces at the Redmond mansion.

The point was that WMP is a kitchen-sink approach to separate functions, that might just be better handled by third party applications.

Not that Microsoft is going to give them the chance of course, what with licensing terms that require the Media Player to be on the desktop if for some foolish reason the OEM wants to pre-install RealPlayer...

And with CDs coming out that won't even rip to MP3 format under Windows because of Microsoft + Music Industry DRM arrangements...

Whatever.

WMP serves my needs too, for watching por... er, Enterprise downloads and if I want funky "visualizations without lyrics" and a non-Alien skin, I just turn off my PC off and turn my Mac on.
     
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Oct 28, 2001, 11:23 PM
 
Originally posted by michaelb:
<STRONG>

Congratulations! A satisfied customer. They should have you stuffed and put over one of the fireplaces at the Redmond mansion.

The point was that WMP is a kitchen-sink approach to separate functions, that might just be better handled by third party applications.

Not that Microsoft is going to give them the chance of course, what with licensing terms that require the Media Player to be on the desktop if for some foolish reason the OEM wants to pre-install RealPlayer...

And with CDs coming out that won't even rip to MP3 format under Windows because of Microsoft + Music Industry DRM arrangements...

Whatever.

WMP serves my needs too, for watching por... er, Enterprise downloads and if I want funky "visualizations without lyrics" and a non-Alien skin, I just turn off my PC off and turn my Mac on.</STRONG>
What's your problem? Why did you say that to me? And are you saying that maybe third party media apps like RealMedia is better than Quicktime? Or that that open source DVD player (forgot what it's called) is better than Apple DVD Player? I don't think so! And besides, there's programs like WinAMP and multiple DVD players and Quicktime for Windows and such!


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Oct 28, 2001, 11:32 PM
 
The funny thing about the comparison is Microsoft seems to neglect that you have to pay for MP3 support for XP.
no you don't. stop spreading fud.

Although, Microsoft either dosen't know about or hasn't yet updated their site about iTunes 2...
It's probably because iTunes2 isn't available yet.

WMP for OSX is an awesome media player.
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Oct 28, 2001, 11:51 PM
 
Originally posted by Norm1985:
<STRONG>What's your problem? Why did you say that to me?</STRONG>
Just that Windows users and OEM installers are being not so gently encouraged to only use it and that 3rd party competitors are being slowly locked out of the media playing & delivery market.

Your example demonstrated that point -- "on my Athlon I have Windows Media player serve all my media viewing/listening tasks."

That's not a personal attack, it's an observation of the direction Microsoft are taking users.

Originally posted by Norm1985:
<STRONG>And are you saying that maybe third party media apps like RealMedia is better than Quicktime?</STRONG>
(For many streaming sites, yes, it is. Especially for unsavvy/time-constrained stream producers, it is easier to get high-quality streams out of Real's version 8 codec than the Sorenson 3 codec in QuickTime, even when the quality is on par.)

But the point is that Apple aren't trying to lock Real out of their OS. Microsoft are.

Originally posted by Norm1985:
<STRONG>Or that that open source DVD player (forgot what it's called) is better than Apple DVD Player? I don't think so!</STRONG>
VideoLan http://www.videolan.org/ Not yet, no.

But it does run on Lombards.

And it does allow all machines to take screenshots of DVDs.

Conclusion: having alternatives available is a Good Thing.

Originally posted by Norm1985:
<STRONG>And besides, there's programs like WinAMP and multiple DVD players and Quicktime for Windows and such!</STRONG>
You miss the point. By making Windows Media Player a one-stop shop for everything, and by encouraging OEMs not to install third-party media apps, most Windows users will stay with Media Player for everything.

Result: Ultimately, Microsoft owns the media playing market, controls the formats and controls the distribution.

Is that really fine with you?
     
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Originally posted by iCartman:
<STRONG>no you don't. stop spreading fud.</STRONG>
They broke support for MP3 encoding they broke support for MP3's.
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Oct 29, 2001, 12:43 AM
 
I propose Apple should make a similar graph, but change some of the "features" to something more like this:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1"face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial">code:</font><HR><pre><font size=1 face=courier>
----------------------------------------| WMP XP | Apple iTunes <font color = blue>2</font>
Free MP3 creation engine No Yes
Supports Copy to CD with MP3 No Yes
Displays Apple Logo
during visualizations No Yes
Automatically creates Music
folder with <font color = red>"Album"</font> <font color = red>"Artists"</font> folder No Yes
<font color = blue>10</font>-Band Graphics Equalizer Yes Yes
Original sleek Apple made metal skin No Yes
High Performance Audio CD Burning Yes Yes
Suberb integration with at least
<font color = blue>1</font> super sweet MP3 player No Yes
Will use Firewire to copy to MP3 player* No Yes

*MP3 player must support firewire
</font>[/code]

Wow! I could *SO* be in marketing (or more specifically, MS style marketting)
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Oct 29, 2001, 01:36 AM
 
There actually is one thing they mention there that I'm surprised didn't make it into iTunes: 3D stereo. It was in the OS 9 Control Strip player, but for some reason they ditched it. How strange. Maybe it's that darn debugging code getting in the way again.

I have to admit, though, Microsoft deserves credit for managing to turn antitrust violations and a lack of standard features into marketing spin.
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Oct 29, 2001, 02:11 AM
 
They broke support for MP3 encoding they broke support for MP3's.
No they didn't. They didn't add MP3 encoding to WMP above 64k. It's a limitation of the crappy WMP, not XP. Anyone doing serious MP3 encoding is gonna use one of the many free encoders available anyway.


This one cracked me up:

High Performance Audio CD Burning
No one ever accused iTunes of this. It's the AOL of MP3 players!

You guys should check out the iTunes comparison Panic has for Audion. They rip Apple a new a-hole. My favorite iTunes feature; "Million-Dollar ads featuring "Lil' Kim". heh.
http://www.panic.com/audion/chart.html
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Oct 29, 2001, 02:23 AM
 
Originally posted by iCartman:
<STRONG>No one ever accused iTunes of this. It's the AOL of MP3 players!

You guys should check out the iTunes comparison Panic has for Audion. They rip Apple a new a-hole. My favorite iTunes feature; "Million-Dollar ads featuring "Lil' Kim". heh.
http://www.panic.com/audion/chart.html</STRONG>
I tried Audion, it sucks. So, I went to SoundJam. I tried again when iTunes came out, it sucks. Went to iTunes. Tried it again later on, still sucks.


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Oct 29, 2001, 02:25 AM
 
And by the way, I prefer the one window interface. And Audion hasn't updated their checklist for iTunes 2, which has three more features on that checklist.


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Oct 29, 2001, 03:01 AM
 
Originally posted by iCartman:
<STRONG>You guys should check out the iTunes comparison Panic has for Audion. They rip Apple a new a-hole.</STRONG>


This hardly rips Apple a new one. Hell, they flat out lie! Check the line about "Multiple Playlist Windows." Have they used iTunes? You can open different windows for each playlist, if that's your fancy.

I love how they show the "Base Price." Instead of saying iTunes has none, they put n/a, like they couldn't find it but it's probably there. In a few weeks they'll have to update and put a Yes next to half of those, since iTunes 2 is going to add a bunch of crap... like the beloved Equalizer.

I see a bunch of features listed that I'd never even use. Feature list comparisons are crap, IMO. They don't show what the competitor has which it doesn't. It's misleading. Yes... Apple is guilty of the same thing. That doesn't make it any better. They shouldn't do it either...
     
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Oct 29, 2001, 03:09 AM
 
They forgot to mention that Audion also uses more CPU cycles.

At least it did on my Mac.
     
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Oct 29, 2001, 03:18 AM
 
Originally posted by Sine:
<STRONG>They forgot to mention that Audion also uses more CPU cycles.

At least it did on my Mac.</STRONG>
Wow, that's great. Esspecally since iTunes 1.x for OS X already uses 15 - 30% of CPU.

By the way, wasn't the topic about Microsoft's comparison of Windows Media Player XP to iTunes for OS X?


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Oct 29, 2001, 03:26 AM
 
Hey I wasn't the one that brought it off topic
     
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Oct 29, 2001, 03:41 AM
 
Just wanted to ask a few questions and throw in my two cents?

Question #1
According to the Audion Feature Comparison, iTunes doesn't use Fraunhofer encoding.
Doesn't iTunes used Fraunhofer by default?

Question #2
According to the Audion Feature Comparison, iTunes doesn't use AIFF encoding.
Doesn't iTunes have an option for AIFF encoding?

Now my two cents -

Before the appearance of iTunes, I used SoundJam and it was a great application. I tried "Audion" and I have to say at the time Audion was no match for SoundJam. Audion has changed a lot since it's first appearance and it's a pretty good program with lots of awesome Mac skins. I'm really impressed with all the work Panic has done to make this application a first class Mac OS X citizen. Of course we all know that iTunes is a repackaged version of SoundJam. iTunes 2 seems to add some missing features from SoundJam(Equalizer) and some new features like burning MP3 CD's and crossfading. What makes iTunes for me is the interface - Audion and even SoundJam couldn't compare. It's simplicity combined with useful functionality, having Album Art covers is great and showing Album covers in visualizations is cute. But what I want is the ability to search a thousand songs or more in a split second or a browser that's easy to navigate by Artist or Album, the ability to create playlists without reading a manual. iTunes greatest feature is it's interface. The problem with any application designed to be a "Jack of All Trades" is the interface(Windows Media Player). iTunes is designed to manage your music and it does it well.

That's kinda all I have to say but I would like to ask one last question

Has anyone else had any problems adding more than 500 songs to Audion?
iTunes is really great at recognizing hundreds of songs(like SoundJam was) but when I tried to add my Music to Audion it crashed not once but twice in MacOS X(it was a bit slower than iTunes too). Just curious if any one else had a similar experience.

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Oct 29, 2001, 04:26 AM
 
Originally posted by Norm1985:
<STRONG>

I tried Audion, it sucks. So, I went to SoundJam. I tried again when iTunes came out, it sucks. Went to iTunes. Tried it again later on, still sucks.</STRONG>
Yes, this is off topic, sosumi. Audion was a disappointment to me, after hearing great things about it (and reading the hype on their site). The interface is a mess. Crashes repeatedly in OS X. Constantly corrupts the playlists. I found it leaving a lot to be desired, so I'll take iTunes' stability, and Audion can keep their skins.
     
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Oct 29, 2001, 06:37 AM
 
First of all I must say that I can not compare iTunes 2 to Windows Media Player XP because I do not own or use a PC (at least not at home, right know I am writing this on a PC of my University).

Personally I like listening to music almost at all times, of course while I am working/surfing/playing with my Mac. I tried out several music apps (SoundJam, Audion, iTunes, etc.) and the one I like most is iTunes. I like the one window interface and the easy of use. I was really annoyed with the "preparing audio CD for burning" delay, and that stopped me from doing more custom mixes than I want to. Now I have iTunes 2 (well, I know I officially cannot have it, but I do) and just can't stop burning mixes

When Windows Media Player for Mac OS X final is available for Mac OS X, I will give it a try and then I can compare it to iTunes 2.
     
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Oct 29, 2001, 08:05 AM
 
I would like to be able to view song lyrics with iTunes when playing MP3s. I think this is a great feature of WMP. I suggested this feature to Apple months ago and I mentioned it in these forums. I hope it happens.

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Oct 29, 2001, 08:43 AM
 
Wow..that advertisement is so biased, misleading, and flatly wrong that it reads like the 'megahertz myth' explanation at Apple's website. Hey, lookie there - if you choose these particular Photoshop filters and use this old version of Photoshop - the G4 is faster than a Pentium at these specific tasks.


     
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Oct 29, 2001, 10:09 AM
 
Originally posted by amontague:
<STRONG>I would like to be able to view song lyrics with iTunes when playing MP3s. I think this is a great feature of WMP. I suggested this feature to Apple months ago and I mentioned it in these forums. I hope it happens.

Andrew Montague</STRONG>
Well, I can see an improvement in adding some lyrics features to iTunes. I would like to add lyrics to the MP3 songs.

But view them while listening to music?

Usually I have iTunes hided, so I can work/surf/play and iTunes is beating in the background. So I don't care of the lyrics... It would be cool to have the posibility of add and view them of course, but you can do that already with TextEdit

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Oct 29, 2001, 10:11 AM
 
I just find it so incredibly ironic that MS is actually trying to compare WMP to an app like iTunes, when you can't even rip a freakin' MP3 with it (as is, out of the box). That's just flat out ludicrous.

WMP is the buggiest, most bloated, ugly application I've seen. It's almost as bad as RealJukebox, which I STILL haven't figured out how to get rid of on my Windows 98 box -- it practically took over everything.
     
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Originally posted by eevyl:
<STRONG>
....

Usually I have iTunes hided,

....

[ 10-29-2001: Message edited by: eevyl ]</STRONG>

Made my morning... or should I say maded...

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Oct 29, 2001, 11:36 AM
 
Originally posted by iCartman:
<STRONG>No they didn't. They didn't add MP3 encoding to WMP above 64k. It's a limitation of the crappy WMP, not XP. Anyone doing serious MP3 encoding is gonna use one of the many free encoders available anyway.

This one cracked me up:
</STRONG>
Actually, they removed MP3 encoding from WMP. If you want it back, you have to buy the MP3 pack from MS. Oh, and if you have a pirated version of the OS, it might be on there, as some of the warez XP's had mp3 and dvd functionality in WMP. But it is NOT in the final retail version.

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Originally posted by iCartman:
<STRONG>It's probably because iTunes2 isn't available yet.

WMP for OSX is an awesome media player.</STRONG>

And of course, WMP for OSX is available yet.
     
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I tried "Audion" and I have to say at the time Audion was no match for SoundJam.
I agree, SoundJam was the best. That's probably why Apple bought the rights to it. I'm sure Panic has some sour feelings over tha one.

Actually, they removed MP3 encoding from WMP. If you want it back, you have to buy the MP3 pack from MS.
Thanks for the clarification.

And of course, WMP for OSX is available yet.
In Applespeak it is. You can buy it (as part of OfficeX) from the Apple store immediately. But I guess you can do the same with iTunes2 as part of the iPod bundle.


Getting back on topic, I'm suprised Apple doesn't offer thier own comparison list. They could probably come up with a good list as well. I'm also suprised that Microsoft didn't highlight Apple's limited support of CDRW's. That's a clear advantage on the PC side.
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Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
<STRONG>Wow..that advertisement is so biased, misleading, and flatly wrong that it reads like the 'megahertz myth' explanation at Apple's website. Hey, lookie there - if you choose these particular Photoshop filters and use this old version of Photoshop - the G4 is faster than a Pentium at these specific tasks.


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Actually they was using a NEW version of Photoshop. The P4 totally sucks for Photoshop 6.
     
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And of course, WMP for OSX is available yet. </STRONG>

I have a prerelease and it sucks.
     
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Originally posted by Sine:
<STRONG>I have a prerelease and it sucks.</STRONG>
The actual WMP 8 or the crappy carbonized WMP 7 that floats around?

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What existentially (did I even spell that correctly?) bothers me about this pure little POS advertising is that it is directed at Apple as well as the usual sorry group of wankers who actually thought they could make a product for the Windows platform and not be f*cked over by Microsoft. I mean, that's normal, everyone knows that Microsoft will f*ck you over if they have the particular inclination. Real will soon be gone from the media landscape in spite of what was said further up that people who want to encode mp3's seriously will get one off the net. You, I think it was two of you, just proved the point with your comments that you use it as your default media player and that it works well for all your needs. That is what they want. That is what they did with Explorer against netscape. People will just use the WMP built into the system and most users won't even know how to download the MP3 packs, let alone install them. I know this I've done Windows support in my last job.

Apple does this as well with iTunes and IMovie, agreed they don't integrate the things into the OS , although Quicktime is an integral part of the OS like WMP is.

I don't care. What I do care about is, that they are starting to make a definite move against the Mac platform in their f*cked up way spreading a load of garbage about how their crap is better than Apples crap. It worries me. This so called comparrison between iTunes and WMP reminds me that the bastards only decided on the new whistler GUI (with it's nice little rounded corners) a year or so after DR2 of OSX had come out. It is meant to be direct competition. I am worried tha Bill G will trot out the usual bunch of f*ck nuts like Bill Mundie and Jim Allchin to start a FUD campaign against the Mac like they did against Linux last year. It worries the sh*t out of me because the OSS , Linux BSD crowd have a lot of very goof thinkers and an enourmous amount of developers behind them and made mincemeat of MS and MS got a lot of bad press about that, BUT the Mac may be what you and I like because of it's form and it's simplicity but a lot of PC users really like OSX but hate the fact that Apple's hardware is proprietry. Who is gonna defend the Mac when Bill G and Co. start complaining in public about how expensive Macs are and how much less cost effective they are than PC's bla bla bla and how little software there is for it and how WinF*ck is a standard etc.

Who is going to defend the Mac and what are they going to say.?
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Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
<STRONG>The actual WMP 8 or the crappy carbonized WMP 7 that floats around?</STRONG>
crappy carbonized WMP 7

All the WMP for the Mac have been **** .
     
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Then you don't have the latest version that comes with Office X. There is a reason why Apple is giving MS so much free press on the OSX page..
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Originally posted by theolein:
<STRONG>Real will soon be gone from the media landscape</STRONG>

would be no big loss if...

<STRONG>You, I think it was two of you, just proved the point with your comments that you use it as your default media player and that it works well for all your needs. That is what they want. That is what they did with Explorer against netscape. People will just use the WMP built into the system and most users won't even know how to download the MP3 packs, let alone install them.</STRONG>

this weren´t so true.
That´s the whole problem with M$, they´re pushing their own "standards" just for the sake to eliminate others.


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Originally posted by iCartman:
<STRONG>Then you don't have the latest version that comes with Office X. There is a reason why Apple is giving MS so much free press on the OSX page..</STRONG>
I am sure it's **** too.

MS has yet came out with a media player for the Mac that didn't suck

And WTF is MS bundling it's media player with Office Apps?

     
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Originally posted by iCartman:
<STRONG>Getting back on topic, I'm suprised Apple doesn't offer thier own comparison list. They could probably come up with a good list as well. I'm also suprised that Microsoft didn't highlight Apple's limited support of CDRW's. That's a clear advantage on the PC side.</STRONG>
They don't need to advertise iTunes heavily because iTunes is free, it works great, and I'd journey to say that the majority of Mac users use it. But that's just my assumption. And just to reinforce what's already been said, WMP sucks. I use it just about every day at school and half of the media wont play, streaming absolutely sucks, and it's just another part of Microsoft's attempt to create a monopoly over file types.
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