[Angus_D]

For those of you obsessive about version numbers, looks like Apple is steaming ahead with Jaguar. They recently started building it, and 6A14 was built on Monday. The only thing I know about it is that it's xnu-212.3 (latest available on their opensource site is 208, the one in 10.1.1 is 201.5 -- when it takes them a while to roll out public versions it sometimes means that new hardware is around the corner and they don't want to disclose information about it, but then this is just pure speculation ).

[MusicMac]

Originally posted by Angus_D:
<STRONG>when it takes them a while to roll out public versions it sometimes means that new hardware is around the corner and they don't want to disclose information about it, but then this is just pure speculation ).</STRONG>

Can you say g5????

[gorgonzola]

Originally posted by Angus_D:
<STRONG>For those of you obsessive about version numbers, looks like Apple is steaming ahead with Jaguar. They recently started building it, and 6A14 was built on Monday. The only thing I know about it is that it's xnu-212.3 (latest available on their opensource site is 208, the one in 10.1.1 is 201.5 -- when it takes them a while to roll out public versions it sometimes means that new hardware is around the corner and they don't want to disclose information about it, but then this is just pure speculation ).</STRONG>

Hmm, interesting. I don't think that stuff about new hardware is so off track either; I've been hearing from a variety of sources that a lot of bottlenecks are going to start open up for major performance improvements in 2002. This delay might not be directly connected to that, but there's going to be some interesting Apple hardware around the corner.

Where'd you find that build number? Bug-tracker? Mailing list?

[jguidroz]

Originally posted by MusicMac:
<STRONG>


Can you say g5????</STRONG>

I can say G5, but can Apple say G5?

[Kristoff]

Oh brother, here we go again.
I can't wait for Santa and the easter bunny either!!!

[Deestar]

Originally posted by gorgonzola:
<STRONG>

Hmm, interesting. I don't think that stuff about new hardware is so off track either; I've been hearing from a variety of sources that a lot of bottlenecks are going to start open up for major performance improvements in 2002. This delay might not be directly connected to that, but there's going to be some interesting Apple hardware around the corner.

Where'd you find that build number? Bug-tracker? Mailing list?</STRONG>

Darwin bug tracker I think, Check this out It's near the bottom on both:


Darwin Bug:2223459

Darwin Bug:2774642

[ 11-21-2001: Message edited by: Deestar ]

[--Helen--]

Can Steve say G5?

He said titanium seven times at Macworld in San Francisco in January. I wonder if he does say G5 at the Moscone Center in 2002, how many times will he say it. How many times will he say G5 just for effects value. Will he wear shoes or sandals? Hmm...

[Kristoff]

Originally posted by --Helen--:
<STRONG>Can Steve say G5?

He said titanium seven times at Macworld in San Francisco in January. I wonder if he does say G5 at the Moscone Center in 2002, how many times will he say it. How many times will he say G5 just for effects value. Will he wear shoes or sandals? Hmm...</STRONG>

My prediction:
ZERO

[moreno]

My prediction:
"And now, the all-new-PM G4 running a very different chip! G4 @ 868 Mhz!!! well, yes, it's one Mhz, but i say a very different chip... erm you gotc... IT ships today! erm or a maybe on a month! on an iPod store near you, erm i mean apple store."

[moreno]

My prediction:
"And now, the all-new-PM G4 running a very different chip! G4 @ 868 Mhz!!! well, yes, it's one Mhz, but i say a very different chip... erm you gotc... IT ships today! erm or a maybe on a month! on an iPod store near you, erm i mean apple store."

[benh57]

Originally posted by Deestar:
<STRONG>

Darwin bug tracker I think, Check this out It's near the bottom on both:
Darwin Bug:2223459

Darwin Bug:2774642

[ 11-21-2001: Message edited by: Deestar ]</STRONG>

Neither of those bugs list any build numbers.

In fact, it looks like the "problem diagnosis" section is showing as "none provided" for ALL darwin bugs now. I hope its not because of this thread. :/

[ 11-22-2001: Message edited by: benh57 ]

[Deestar]

Originally posted by benh57:
<STRONG>

Neither of those bugs list any build numbers.

In fact, it looks like the "problem diagnosis" section is showing as "none provided" for ALL darwin bugs now. I hope its not because of this thread. :/

[ 11-22-2001: Message edited by: benh57 ]</STRONG>

Hmm, thats funny I swear there was info on 6A14 on the Darwin bug tracker. It's strange that everything has gone into "problem diagnosis(none provided)" mode as well.

[ 11-22-2001: Message edited by: Deestar ]

[Angus_D]

Well, I think the most likely suggestion for that is the problems that have been bugging Darwin Bugs for a while now -- Apple moved to Radar 5.0 internally a few weeks ago and they seem to have been having teething troubles.

[dont.wanna.tell]

Uhm, sorry to ask this, but I did a quick search on the web for this and found nothing. (I think because I dont know where to search..)

What is Radar 5.0? I suspect its some sort of Bugtracker.. But nothing for shure.

thx for the Info

cu Martin

[ntsc]

Radar is Apple's internal bug tracker system. I don't think that it is an off-the-shelf thing nor is it freely available...

[iSore]

Could someone clarify this for me: I was under the impression that the chip Apple will introduce as the G5 will be Moto's Apollo, a sped and refined G4.

If this is the case, I don't think we can necessarily conclude that the "true" G5 is very far off. 'Tells us plenty about the heft Apple's marketing division carries, but nothing we didn't know . . .

[dont.wanna.tell]

Thx for the quick answer. ) Now I know why I didnt find anything. )

cu Martin

[gorgonzola]

Originally posted by iSore:
<STRONG>Could someone clarify this for me: I was under the impression that the chip Apple will introduce as the G5 will be Moto's Apollo, a sped and refined G4.

If this is the case, I don't think we can necessarily conclude that the "true" G5 is very far off. 'Tells us plenty about the heft Apple's marketing division carries, but nothing we didn't know . . .

</STRONG>

No, there's Apollo, and then there's the G5. The G5 could smoke Apollo easily. Both are in active development; I'm guessing that the Apollo chip will be used for the portables until the G5's much greater power consumption can be cut down significantly.

G5 PowerMacs are no joke ... those things are obscenely fast. They'd put Apple back in the race singlehandedly, and would remove all the bottlenecks from the lower lines as well, since much higher-performance G3 hardware is already widely available (from IBM).

In short, G5's in mass production is the current Holy Grail.

IMHO, as always.

[KidRed]

Originally posted by gorgonzola:
<STRONG>

No, there's Apollo, and then there's the G5. The G5 could smoke Apollo easily. Both are in active development; I'm guessing that the Apollo chip will be used for the portables until the G5's much greater power consumption can be cut down significantly.

G5 PowerMacs are no joke ... those things are obscenely fast. They'd put Apple back in the race singlehandedly, and would remove all the bottlenecks from the lower lines as well, since much higher-performance G3 hardware is already widely available (from IBM).

In short, G5's in mass production is the current Holy Grail.

IMHO, as always. </STRONG>

Any thoughts on a release date?

[CharlesS]

The G4 is what, almost two years old already?

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of the G5 coming out sometime soon. Not that I have unquestioning faith in it happening, but I wouldn't be surprised...

[gorgonzola]

Originally posted by KidRed:
<STRONG>Any thoughts on a release date? </STRONG>

None at all, but they obviously have to release some kind of G5 at some point in 2002.

[KidRed]

Originally posted by gorgonzola:
<STRONG>

None at all, but they obviously have to release some kind of G5 at some point in 2002. </STRONG>

Ahh, so you're stating here, in this forum, on 11/22/2201 that Apple will release a G5 sometime in the year 2002?

That's a pretty bold statement

[gorgonzola]

Originally posted by KidRed:
<STRONG>

Ahh, so you're stating here, in this forum, on 11/22/2201 that Apple will release a G5 sometime in the year 2002?

That's a pretty bold statement </STRONG>

How about this: if I'm wrong, I'll go to bed without any dinner.

[[email protected]]

huzzah? (again?)

[SMacTech]

Originally posted by KidRed:
<STRONG>
Ahh, so you're stating here, in this forum, on 11/22/2201 that Apple will release a G5 sometime in the year 2002?
</STRONG>

Wow, I somehow was transported 200 years into the future 11/22/2201, and the G5 is still not released yet.

[michaelb]

Originally posted by --Helen--:
<STRONG>I wonder if he does say G5 at the Moscone Center in 2002, how many times will he say it. How many times will he say G5 just for effects value. Will he wear shoes or sandals? Hmm...</STRONG>

It sounds like he'd better wear a pretty fast pair of sneakers if he DOESN'T say "G5" ... to get the hell away from you guys charging at the stage with burning torches and pitchforks!

I'm wondering if the most significant hardware of the year could be a Quartz accelerator card, if such a beast is possible? (Made possible by the Raycer aquisition, etc.)

Any unusual graphic driver versions showing up in 6A14?

[BTP]

Somtimes looking from afar can make things come into focus. Details can get noisy.

I too belive we will see a G5 and associated upgraded components. I belive this as the G4 is getting long in the tooth and even the most doubtful person would have to concede that the G4's sucessor has been on the drawing board for some time. Now, I won't guess at a delivery date, but if the G5 delivers on the speed,the next worry is price. The G5 might be the best for a time to come, but if they cost 5 times as much as a G4, it is counter productive to growing the platform. Let's hope they can mass produce these at similar prices.

[McDriver]

After checking a few roumorsites I have come to this brilliant and educated guess based on historical facts and the position of the tealeafes in my breakfastcup.

At Macworld SF in januari G4:s will be kicked up to 1Ghz-1.2 Ghz and the other models will follow on a falling scale.
If you look at how the speed has increased over the past few years and the modus operandi that Apple has in upgrading this is not impossible. The "reports" from Motorola suggests that this is definitly what will come in the Jobs opening speech, but of course they will be avaiable in 4-5 weeks later i.e februari.

On the subject of G5 it's not plausible to expect anything before august 2002. It takes time to build a new cpu-design, to test it, and to get it into production.

This is of course the truth

[Deestar]

Just tried the bug tracker again and it seems to be working at the moment check out the links:

Darwin Bug:2223459

Darwin Bug:2774642

[Rob van dam]

Would it be fair to assume the following

G3= Low end chip.

G4= Prosumer maybe 7460 could go in the high end i-mac.

G5=Server very high end shit.

[edddeduck]

According to the reg apple have got about 20 G5 running and they have a given a few to adobe etc to help with developing for them.

Also according to another moto mole they are on the (5th) revision and are ontime for the apple deadline of announcing them in the jan expo roll out in early feb...

check theregister.co.uk

Cheers Edd

[Jim Paradise]

*waits kind of impatiently for G5's...*


he he... I love when it's "brand spankin' new product announcement" rumour time!

Anyway... from what I've been readin' it seems that January is a reasonable time for the G5's to be introduced!

[Nonsuch]

Originally posted by edddeduck:
<STRONG>According to the reg apple have got about 20 G5 running and they have a given a few to adobe etc to help with developing for them.

Also according to another moto mole they are on the (5th) revision and are ontime for the apple deadline of announcing them in the jan expo roll out in early feb...

check theregister.co.uk

Cheers Edd</STRONG>

That's old info ... Apple (allegedly) has distributed dozens of prototype G5s, and the last revision they had was .7, with .8 due probably within a week now. Of course, my unsubstantiated crap is no more reliable than your unsubstantiated crap, so take it FWIW ....

[charleschuck]

I am daft. Oops. Sorry.

[ 11-24-2001: Message edited by: charleschuck ]