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Feb 20, 2005, 12:23 PM
 
I may be picking up as many as six B&W's from a friend tomorrow. Sitting on the shelves in his warehouse and he wants me to get them out of his hair. I used one of these machines a couple of years ago and I'm pretty sure they are rev 1's due to the fact they had a pci card running the ide drive which I am assuming is due to the corruption problem the B&W's had.

I currently have a beige G3 333 tower with a Sonnet G4 500 zif, ati 7000 pci card, MacAlly firewire/usb pci card, 3 256mb pc133 ram chips and an ATTO expressPCI scsi card.

What parts will I be able to transfer over to the B&W from the Beige? Would the scsi drive/card be worth putting in a B&W? Could I put one of the zifs from the B&B in the beige? Anyone need a B&W?

We'll see what happens tomorrow. TIA for your help.

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Feb 20, 2005, 12:29 PM
 
Oh, and could someone give me the rundown on the firmware 1.1 G4 upgrade problem? I found some info on it but it was all from back in '99. Please let me know how to get around it.
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Feb 20, 2005, 12:39 PM
 
You can use all of your Beige G3's parts in the B&W. Whether or not there is a reason to stick with the SCSI setup is up to you, but I see no reason not to bring it all over. Theres certainly enough room in the B&W's case.
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Feb 20, 2005, 01:11 PM
 
Not sure about the SCSI either. I have a 40gb 7200 drive that is probably faster. The only reason I was using the SCSI drive on the Beige was because of the 8gb/OSX limitation and I'd had the 40 in an enclosure prior and didn't feel like partitioning it and having to back everything up on it.

Thanks!

Nother question: Can I remover the 128 rage card and put my ATI 7000 in that slot? I know its a 66 instead of the standard 33. If I can will there be any benefit vs. the 33 slots?
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Feb 20, 2005, 01:29 PM
 
Well, there is a reason the 66MHz slot exists. It is pretty much solely for higher performance video. Often times, you'll see people whose priority is storage speed and not video put their SCSI/ATA/S-ATA controller cards in the 66MHz slot and their video card in one of the 33MHz slots. But I have never seen any concrete evidence that this actually provides a boost in storage speed, so I'd pop the Radeon in there and enable the 'PCI Extreme!' hack so you can take advantage of Quartz Extreme.
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Feb 20, 2005, 01:45 PM
 
Originally posted by gdiddy:
Not sure about the SCSI either. I have a 40gb 7200 drive that is probably faster. The only reason I was using the SCSI drive on the Beige was because of the 8gb/OSX limitation and I'd had the 40 in an enclosure prior and didn't feel like partitioning it and having to back everything up on it.

Thanks!

Nother question: Can I remover the 128 rage card and put my ATI 7000 in that slot? I know its a 66 instead of the standard 33. If I can will there be any benefit vs. the 33 slots?
Putting that 7000 in the 66mhz slot will improve performance somewhat, although not a night & day difference.......the 66mhz slot in the B&W was designed for the video card anyway, and the cards were designed to run at a default 66mhz too

Personally I would NOT bother with the scsi drive and just move on to ATA/SATA.
SCSI, for all intents & purposes, is a dead technology. OS X is rapidly dropping support for it, as are most other standard desktop OS's
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Mar 1, 2005, 05:11 PM
 
Got the first one home. It's a rev b! No pci scsi cards.

g3 400, 6 gig hd, ATI rage 128 pci.


Had some trouble with the Sonnet firmware update. The newest version (2.3) wouldn't work for some reason. Dug through my backup files and found a 2.0 version - worked fine. One of my pc133 256 meg ram chips locked the machine up. The other two worked. So I know have 2 128s and 2 256s. ATI 7000 pci card in the 66mhz pci slot and I did bring my scsi card over with the old HD. Easier than reinstalling everything. Eventually I'll use Carbon Copy Cloner to move everything onto a new drive.

Hoping to get 3 or 4 more of these next week some time.

Thanks for all your help guys.
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Mar 1, 2005, 07:01 PM
 
I had a rev. 1 G3 (originally @ 400MHz o/c'd to 450MHz) with a 900MHz PPC750fx upgrade, an original Radeon 32MB video card in the 66MHz slot, 1GB of RAM, an ATA/133 controller & a 60GB 8MB-cache 7200RPM HD running OS X 10.3, a USB 2.0 PCI card and a CDRW. It all ran pretty well actually and did fine with the PCI Quartz Extreme hack (even with the other PCI cards in place).

I did have to attach a small VGA/Pentium-size fan to the heatsink, as the PowerLogix 900MHz proc. card ran really hot. But otherwise it held up for nearly a year at work until I replaced it with a GigE G4 @ 1.4GHz.

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Mar 2, 2005, 03:53 AM
 
In regard to "You can use all of your Beige G3's parts in the B&W.":
You should be aware that the desktop and tower Beige G3s came with PC66 RAM modules, which will not work ("shouldn't work" actually, some may) in the B&Ws. The opposite way does work, PC100 Ram works in the Beige G3s as long as the modules use the right density of ram chips. Check out XLR8yourmac.com for the details, I seem to have forgotten. But to sum it up, the ram modules can be problematic, when transfering them from the older machines to the newer. Also, the B&Ws can use 256MB chips but not 512MB.
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Mar 14, 2005, 09:32 PM
 
How much would you sell one of those Blue and whites for?
     
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Mar 15, 2005, 12:22 AM
 
Originally posted by Kyros:
How much would you sell one of those Blue and whites for?
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