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SwarmyCurve · Dec 19, 2002, 07:35 PM

Does anyone know, why do we want OpenGL 1.4? I'm not wild about the idea of my game framerates dropping by 50%.

Also, I read a rumor that with 10.2.3 there would be a new video driver that had Radeon 9000 for Powerbook enhancements. At this point, my 9000 is using a 8500 driver apparently . . .
Is this at all true?

Originally posted by TheMosco:

10.2.3 now uses open gl 1.4 so that might have affected something.

voodoo · Dec 19, 2002, 07:36 PM

"Adds a Canadian English language spell checking dictionary."

So *that's* why the update is 51MB!

Richyfp · Dec 19, 2002, 07:37 PM

Has the Finder been updated in this release?? The version number under 10.2.2 was just v10.2 with the version string "Mac OS X Finder 10.2".

Has this changed in 10.2.3?

Ed De · Dec 19, 2002, 07:37 PM

Anyone having problems with the iMic? Audio in isn't working for me...

voodoo · Dec 19, 2002, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by SwarmyCurve:
Does anyone know, why do we want OpenGL 1.4? I'm not wild about the idea of my game framerates dropping by 50%.

"Includes OpenGL 1.4 which contains improvements for all systems."

Apple thinks OpenGL 1.4 is a good thing.

Appleman · Dec 19, 2002, 07:39 PM

From the KB:

Improves iPhoto slide show function on some systems which use ATI Rage 128 graphics accelerator chips.
* Allows for improved results with applications that switch emulated address spaces, such as Connectix Virtual PC.
* Improves compatibility for OpenGL-based software on some computers that use ATI Rage 128 graphic accelerator chips; improves reliability for OpenGL-based software while Screen Saver effects are enabled on some computers that use ATI Rage 128 graphic accelerator chips.

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Does this mean my TiBook 500MHz is going to feel snappier(TM)?

DaedalusDX · Dec 19, 2002, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by awaspaas:

Bummer. They look UGLI. Oh well. I use the Rhapsodized skin anyway and that skins even the brushed metal apps, so it shouldn't be an issue for me.

Installing 10.2.3 as i speak.

starman · Dec 19, 2002, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by rhogue islander:
Someone else needs to verify this, but on my DP1000 w/ Gf4ti, my fps rate in Q3 1.32 drops by half from 171 to 83.

That kinda suxors...

Did you check the configuration? I might have seen the new drivers and reset itself.

Mike

Appleman · Dec 19, 2002, 07:44 PM

980 Christmas songs, 20 Doobie Brothers....and one Sheryl Crow

didn't they say "a thousand songs in your pocket"?

Mr. S. Claus cannot count I guess

icruise · Dec 19, 2002, 07:44 PM

No change to the problem reading some files on some DVD-Rs.

Not sure if I can see any real differences, actually, aside from those different buttons in some apps.

starman · Dec 19, 2002, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by Appleman:

980 Christmas songs, 20 Doobie Brothers....and one Sheryl Crow

didn't they say "a thousand songs in your pocket"?

Mr. S. Claus cannot count I guess

They were recorded at a higher bitrate

Mike

raviruddarraju · Dec 19, 2002, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by Icruise:
No change to the problem reading some files on some DVD-Rs.

Not sure if I can see any real differences, actually, aside from those different buttons in some apps.

I see some speed-up. I cannot pin point where the speed is coming from, but I do see some speed.

DaedalusDX · Dec 19, 2002, 07:58 PM

Well it looks like 10.2.3 broke Duality themes slightly.

it looks so weird!

Ed De · Dec 19, 2002, 08:03 PM

Anyone having problems with the iMic? Audio in isn't working for me...

Well i don't know what's going on, but a further restart fixed everything.

DaedalusDX · Dec 19, 2002, 08:07 PM

Wow... doesn't even work when i use Duality to restore the aqua theme.

It looks so funnie with no controls... if i click there, the window still closes, minimizes and maximizes though. Its just the skin that's messed.

Otherwise, the OS seems Snappier. heh.

Elly · Dec 19, 2002, 08:13 PM

On the change of the button wigits for brushed metal apps, looks like the graphite ones got the worst result, having no contrast on the bottom. Looks like it was designed on the colored widgits, not even considering the graphite ones.

Eug · Dec 19, 2002, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by Icruise:
No change to the problem reading some files on some DVD-Rs.

You're right. It's not corrected. Damn!

X.2.3 fixes the PowerBook PAL green line bug though.

LightWaver-67 · Dec 19, 2002, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by awaspaas:

I THOUGHT something looked different...!!! Yuck!

Phoenix1701 · Dec 19, 2002, 08:23 PM

I'm not at home right now, so I can't check, but has the FTP access in the Finder been upgraded to "usable" status? Or does it still often hang if you connect to a server that wants a username/password?

Oh, about the problems with the themes: I suspect they added a new resource to Extras.rsrc instead of changing the old one, which is why you're getting nothingnesses for those new widgets when you apply a theme. I have no doubt that themes will quickly be updated for 10.2.3, but until that happens, your choices are either to do it yourself using ThemePark (it's not hard) or use DeMetallifizer to, well, demetallifize the windows and use the default widgets for your theme of choice.

CharlesS · Dec 19, 2002, 08:34 PM

All this talk about the brushed metal widgets is a waste of time.

I can't believe you guys haven't noticed the big change yet - they fixed keyboard navigation in the Open dialog boxes in Carbon!

Developer · Dec 19, 2002, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by CharlesS:
I can't believe you guys haven't noticed the big change yet - they fixed keyboard navigation in the Open dialog boxes in Carbon!

Sorry, but after almost 2 years of them being unusable, we just use them any more.

mjarski15 · Dec 19, 2002, 09:05 PM

Sleep issue fixed, now my ibook will sleep when I have file sharing on. Kinda got used to that, may have to set the computer to never sleep now so my cron process will work.

daSilVetZ · Dec 19, 2002, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by SwarmyCurve:
Does anyone know, why do we want OpenGL 1.4? I'm not wild about the idea of my game framerates dropping by 50%.

Hmm, I noticed a pretty bad framerate drop too.. However the graphics do look better, especially anti-aliasing wise. But still- Id rather keep my framrates.. hope theyll fix this :/

Leonard · Dec 19, 2002, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by Some Guy []:
heh, i don't post random made up stuff, i knew it was coming based on info i had received earlier today..

millenium, next time pleaes don't lock up my threads, you could of checked my IP and see where i posted it from, but i'm not going to give away who i am, where i work, and where i got the info from.

Yeah, I don't know why millenium closed that thread as a hoax so fast. It was still the 19th and Apple is known to release their updates late in the day.

Millenium owes you an apology in my books.

ringo · 09:38 PM

Originally posted by Phoenix1701:
I'm not at home right now, so I can't check, but has the FTP access in the Finder been upgraded to "usable" status? Or does it still often hang if you connect to a server that wants a username/password?

It works, It works!!!!
Woo-Hoo!!!!!

It even shows thumbnails for images! Nice.

Cooter · Dec 19, 2002, 09:32 PM

....I ran Xbench before and after the update and my Quartz scores were much higher, nearly 20-25%, some were more, some less.

Also, my UI test went from 27fps to 41 fps on a Radeon 8500.

YMMV.

gorickey · Dec 19, 2002, 09:38 PM

Damn, the "Utilities" folder still cannot be changed....

jock · 10:10 PM

The bloody link (standalone installer)does not work, would some kind soul post this so I can down load it.
Cheers
Jock

Wevah · Dec 19, 2002, 10:06 PM

Hahah...figures that I'm the only person who doesn't hate (and actually somewhat likes) the new sunken titlebar widgets...

De gustibus non disputandum est, and all that.

damosan · Dec 19, 2002, 10:15 PM

10.2.3 installed fine on my 700 mhz iBook. Nothing appears borked so that's a good thing.

(And yes...window resizes do appear to be snappier.....but not snappy enough).

Damo

kman42 · Dec 19, 2002, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by Wevah:
Hahah...figures that I'm the only person who doesn't hate (and actually somewhat likes) the new sunken titlebar widgets...

De gustibus non disputandum est, and all that.

I like them too.

Brass · Dec 19, 2002, 10:28 PM

So has the useless development team at Apple managed to fix the software update utility to work with proxy-authentication (which they broke with 10.2)?

I can't believe they can really be that hopeless.

I don't want to have to install third party utilities just to get the first party, bundled, OS-integrated utilities to work!!!

In the meantime, has anyone found where the stand-along package can be downloaded without software update?

voodoo · Dec 19, 2002, 10:37 PM

http://wsidecar.apple.com/cgi-bin/np...10.2.3.dmg.bin

the combo update. 59.1 MB

symonsl · Dec 19, 2002, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by voodoo:
"Adds a Canadian English language spell checking dictionary."

So *that's* why the update is 51MB!

It's all those extra "u"s.

Spliff · Dec 19, 2002, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by SwarmyCurve:
Does anyone know, why do we want OpenGL 1.4? I'm not wild about the idea of my game framerates dropping by 50%.

What's wrong with OpenGL 1.4? Did I miss a newsflash or something?

Oneota · Dec 19, 2002, 10:59 PM

Of course.

Of course they released 10.2.3 the very day I leave college (where I have DSL) to go home for Christmas (where my parents have dialup that maxes out at 28.8 due to lousy phone lines). And I won't be back on DSL 'till January 6.

Of course.

gorickey · Dec 19, 2002, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by Oneota:
Of course.

Of course they released 10.2.3 the very day I leave college (where I have DSL) to go home for Christmas (where my parents have dialup that maxes out at 28.8 due to lousy phone lines). And I won't be back on DSL 'till January 6.

Of course.

Head to your local library or something....

voodoo · Dec 19, 2002, 11:27 PM

What about iCal? Any change? Snappier?

thesearcher · Dec 19, 2002, 11:27 PM

How 'bout the 10.2.2 -> 10.2.3 standalone link?

Phanguye · Dec 19, 2002, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by voodoo:
What about iCal? Any change? Snappier?

negative... iPhoto still suxorz too...

jock · Dec 19, 2002, 11:37 PM

A quick e-mail to apple and all is resolved, thank you apple.

Spliff · Dec 19, 2002, 11:38 PM

"Improves iPhoto slide show function on some systems which use ATI Rage 128 graphics accelerator chips."

That's from the kbase article re: 10.2.3.

You know what? It's BS. I've got an ATI RAGE Pro 128. iPhoto slideshows were smooth in 10.2.2. Under 10.2.3, there is an irritating and distracting flutter during a slide show in iPhoto as one photo transitions to the next.

UnixMac · Dec 19, 2002, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
Damn, the "Utilities" folder still cannot be changed....

On Apples web site, an App called Candybar (free) will change any icon, including your finder menu ones...

go here:

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/

look at the top of the screen... its free and works fine on .2.3

dark3lf · Dec 19, 2002, 11:46 PM

Uggh, updates always seem to break something. Anyone see this in their console?

Dec 19 22:35:59 Vegeta xinetd[352]: attribute server_args expects at least 1 value and none were given. [line=8]
Dec 19 22:35:59 Vegeta xinetd[352]: Error parsing attribute server_args - DISABLING SERVICE [line=8]
Dec 19 22:35:59 Vegeta xinetd[352]: Error reading included directory: /etc/xinetd.d [line=11]
Dec 19 22:35:59 Vegeta xinetd[352]: 352 {init_services} no services. Exiting...

gorickey · Dec 19, 2002, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by UnixMac:

On Apples web site, an App called Candybar (free) will change any icon, including your finder menu ones...

go here:

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/

look at the top of the screen... its free and works fine on .2.3

Nope, I've tried that a million times...the "Utilities" folder icon is un-changable due to an Apple bug that needs to be fixed.

Adam Betts · Dec 19, 2002, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by kman42:
I like them too.

Me too. They make more sense that way IMO.

Ozmodiar · Dec 20, 2002, 12:13 AM

does the update fix the USB bug? i'd like to be able to listen to music without headphones again.

UnixMac · Dec 20, 2002, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by gorickey:

Nope, I've tried that a million times...the "Utilities" folder icon is un-changable due to an Apple bug that needs to be fixed.

You are right, that folder is very stubborn.. I used iconCompose to make a killer folder for it and am storing it until they fix this bug.

Gul Banana · Dec 20, 2002, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by Spliff:

What's wrong with OpenGL 1.4? Did I miss a newsflash or something?

One person reported that he had a problem which it was a possible cause of. Naturally, this makes it something to be avoided AT ALL COSTS.

UnixMac · 01:28 AM

Originally posted by Gul Banana:

One person reported that he had a problem which it was a possible cause of. Naturally, this makes it something to be avoided AT ALL COSTS.

You're being tongue-in-cheek are you not?