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johnnyJihad · Nov 16, 2005, 05:35 PM

Look at those delicious videos of torture..

I'm with the cops on that on... right to torture should be voted in congress.
And I totally support Cheney's torture memo, etc.

State SHOULD be allowed to torture when it's needed

http://www.10641.com/10641-33180779-812.mpg
http://www.10641.com/10641-33180746-58.mpg

I say torture before death penalty.

johnnyJihad · Nov 16, 2005, 05:39 PM

CRIMINALS HAVE NO RIGHTS

THEY SHOULD BE BEAT UP BEFORE THEIR TRIALS...

oh wait, **** trials they don't have to right to have a trial!

analogika · Nov 16, 2005, 05:40 PM

Hooray! It's like the middle ages and reformation never happened!

Welcome to America, where it's always 1492!

johnnyJihad · Nov 16, 2005, 05:44 PM

Thanks to the Patriot Act, these american terrorist can have their rights suspended and be treated like arab muslim terrorists.

I'll have to thank W. Bush personally for passing this great bill.

turtle777 · Nov 16, 2005, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by analogika

Hooray! It's like the middle ages and reformation never happened!
Welcome to America, where it's always 1492!

Wrong forum.

-t

johnnyJihad · Nov 16, 2005, 05:52 PM

Yeah, because torture in the US belongs ONLY to politics
SORRY.

Kevin · Nov 16, 2005, 05:52 PM

Kevin · Nov 16, 2005, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by johnnyJihad

Yeah, because torture in the US belongs ONLY to politics
SORRY.

No, just drama queens like yourself.

hyperb0le · Nov 16, 2005, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by johnnyJihad

Thanks to the Patriot Act, these american terrorist can have their rights suspended and be treated like arab muslim terrorists.

I'll have to thank W. Bush personally for passing this great bill.

Although I am vehemently against Bush, I would like to point out that the President is not the only one behind the Patriot Act. A bill has to pass both the House and the Senate before it goes to the President. Unless a President is very opposed to said bill, he tends to pass it.

ambush · Nov 16, 2005, 05:54 PM

zimphire: this is not political, it's about torture in the US.

turtle777 · Nov 16, 2005, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by johnnyJihad

Yeah, because torture in the US belongs ONLY to politics
SORRY.

Who said that ?

But there are forum rules.
There is a reason why I don't frequent the PWL often. If I feel like talking about stuff like that, I pop in. Please leave the regular Lounge free of politics, religion and Canada bashing.
Uhm, wait, the latter counts as generel entertainment. It can stay.

-t

Shaddim · Nov 16, 2005, 05:55 PM

Brainiac, the Poli Forum is ^^^ there.

Damned newbs....

Kevin · Nov 16, 2005, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by ambush

zimphire: this is not political, it's about torture in the US.

ambush you are again, showing you have no clue.

Why the two accounts BTW?

ambush · Nov 16, 2005, 05:57 PM

So sad. For example, when there is a crime comitted and a blonde, 18 yr old girl is killed, you will allow that here. But when a compatriot is being tortured, it's political and it does not deserve to be here.

Shameful.

Americans should be ashamed that their very own government violates human rights.

Hey at least I'm wasting your time, zimphire.

Kevin · Nov 16, 2005, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by ambush

So sad. For example, when there is a crime comitted and a blonde, 18 yr old girl is killed, you will allow that here.

Because IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS

But when a compatriot is being tortured, it's political and it does not deserve to be here.

Actually I don't think anyone would have problems with posting about snowboards being tortured. But that isn't what YOU DID.

Americans should be ashamed that their very own government violates human rights.

You think your country is scott free?

We've been through this. Canada has it's OWN problems within it's country. It's OWN police violating human rights.

But you know that right?

RAILhead · Nov 16, 2005, 06:01 PM

That's right, President Bush IS THE ONLY MAN ON EARTH THAT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE PATRIOT ACT.

"But he's the president so it's really his responsibility to..."

In 3...2...

ambush · Nov 16, 2005, 06:02 PM

Yes, Canada has problems with police brutality like other countries do.

But here, in no way is it legal. In USA, it can be legal thanks to the Patriot act

johnnyJihad · Nov 16, 2005, 06:05 PM

GREAT. the fascist admins moved it

johnnyJihad · Nov 16, 2005, 06:06 PM

ZIMPHIRE, don't be unamerican and OPENLY support PATRIOTISM, support the Patriot Act.

Dark Helmet · Nov 16, 2005, 06:23 PM

Can you imagine what sort of problems the people doing the torturing have?

johnnyJihad · Nov 16, 2005, 06:31 PM

Yes. We should offer them free psychological support for the hard but necessary job they do.

besson3c · Nov 16, 2005, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by johnnyJihad

ZIMPHIRE, don't be unamerican and OPENLY support PATRIOTISM, support the Patriot Act.

I'm getting really sick of shallow definitions of what is American and what is unAmerican.

There is room for all sorts of opinions in America. Deal with it.

johnnyJihad · Nov 16, 2005, 06:58 PM

For instance, what you just said is unamerican

Neoconservatives like me REJECT CULTURAL RELATIVISM
that is what led the US of the 60/70es in DÉTENTE HELL...
THANKS TO REAGAN AND THE NEOCONS, IT ENDED.

von Wrangell · Nov 16, 2005, 07:02 PM

ahhhh, the art of parody still isn't dead on MacNN.......

(I hope)

Artful Dodger · Nov 16, 2005, 07:17 PM

Reagan is a great man.

Dark Helmet · Nov 16, 2005, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by johnnyJihad

Yes. We should offer them free psychological support for the hard but necessary job they do.

What useful information has ever come out of torture?

besson3c · Nov 16, 2005, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by johnnyJihad

For instance, what you just said is unamerican

Neoconservatives like me REJECT CULTURAL RELATIVISM
that is what led the US of the 60/70es in DÉTENTE HELL...
THANKS TO REAGAN AND THE NEOCONS, IT ENDED.

Are you addressing me?

If so, please form an argument. I'm not terribly interested in your lectures about how the world ought to be.

Pendergast · Nov 16, 2005, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by johnnyJihad

Look at those delicious videos of torture..

I'm with the cops on that on... right to torture should be voted in congress.
And I totally support Cheney's torture memo, etc.

State SHOULD be allowed to torture when it's needed

http://www.10641.com/10641-33180779-812.mpg
http://www.10641.com/10641-33180746-58.mpg

I say torture before death penalty.

You call that torture?

That is basic interrogation: a lazy a$$ siting on a suspect and yelling. No problem.

That's torture.

Move along johnnyjihad; you're not on par with the standards... Go back to school and make sure mommy knows you have homework!

Sky Captain · Nov 16, 2005, 09:33 PM

No, victims have no rights. Criminals have rights.
Actually victims do have one bacis right. To be a victim.

Pendergast · Nov 16, 2005, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by Sky Captain

No, victims have no rights. Criminals have rights.
Actually victims do have one bacis right. To be a victim.

Get sober, now.

Sky Captain · Nov 16, 2005, 09:46 PM

I am sober. In fact I don;t drink or have ever done drugs. So cut the insults.

Ever been through the "justice" system?
Truly through it?

Pendergast · Nov 16, 2005, 10:01 PM

Victims have rights just as much as criminals. You're mixing up things here. Criminlas have the rights the victims have from the Justice system.

Victims lose their diginity, their possessions, their lives. Criminals take those.

Different logic levels.

johnnyJihad · Nov 17, 2005, 01:49 PM

Kill terrorists before trial. It'll save us money.

And do it secretly so the press doesn't know.

besson3c · Nov 17, 2005, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by johnnyJihad

Kill terrorists before trial. It'll save us money.

And do it secretly so the press doesn't know.

Since your simple-minded statements are just ripe to be unraveled, let me assume that you are hoping for some actual conversation? Let me start by asking you about what a terrorist is?

Is an American and murders or rapes a lot of people a terrorist? Does a terrorist have to live in another country? Why? At the end of the day, if the net result is that lives are lost, does it make a difference?

This just sounds like the death penalty argument being brought to new light as if it is something new. It isn't. What's the difference between terrorism and crime?

Dale Sorel · Nov 17, 2005, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by johnnyJihad

Thanks to the Patriot Act, these american terrorist can have their rights suspended and be treated like arab muslim terrorists.

I'll have to thank W. Bush personally for passing this great bill.

swrate · Nov 17, 2005, 05:38 PM

Land of the Free = Patriot Act?
Fascism L^ sauce
...............H

besson3c · Nov 17, 2005, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by swrate

Land of the Free = Patriot Act?
Fascism L^ sauce
...............H

I don't know how to use sauce as an exponent of L, but I like this! The H is cool too!

Awesome thread.

black bear theory · Nov 17, 2005, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

I don't know how to use sauce as an exponent of L, but I like this! The H is cool too!

Awesome thread.

does anyone actually know where, when this is from? is it police? CIA? DIA? is the guy being interrogated an american? enemy combatant?

or is this info somehow irrelavant to the discussion....

analogika · Nov 17, 2005, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Artful Dodger

Reagan is a dead man.

Fixed.™

Pendergast · Nov 17, 2005, 09:04 PM

More torture!

Torture photos fuel scandal of secret Iraqi jail

By Simon Freeman and agencies

11/15/05 "FT" -- -- Graphic photographs of injuries allegedly suffered by detainees in Iraqi custody surfaced today as the government attempted to dismiss international criticism over a secret torture prison.

The images, released by the Sunni Committee of Muslim Scholars (SCMS), show men - alleged to be former police officers taken captive by Shia commandos - with bruises and welts covering their bodies. The skin on one man's arm is seared to the flesh.

The publication of the disturbing photographs follows the discovery on Sunday of 173 men and teenage boys in a secret prison beneath a government building in Baghdad. Some of the inmates were reportedly tortured, beaten and starved.

Artful Dodger · Nov 17, 2005, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by analogika

Fixed.™

you have a keen grasp of the obvious.

Matius · Nov 18, 2005, 06:32 PM

besson3c, the difference between terrorism and crime, in my opinion, is the purpose of each. If someone were to steal your car, generally speaking the purpose isn't to scare you or strongarm you into believing what they believe. It's most likely to make money or get a "rush" or what have you. Terrorists on the other hand use terror to push their beliefs or agendas on anyone who doesn't already share those beliefs. Some idiot stealing a car is completely different than Palestinian terrorists blowing up a 747 on the runway of a Jordanian airport...or even worse, other terrorists flying them into high rise buildings in New York.

Spliffdaddy · Nov 18, 2005, 08:55 PM

Yet both are acts of selfishness.

The homocide bomber expects to be rewarded for his efforts, much like the car thief.