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olePigeon
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Nov 3, 2011, 10:56 PM
 
From what I understand, in most branches of the U.S. military, only officers have swords with their dress uniform. Well, except for Marines, in which case the officers have a different sword.

What I can't find out is if a Warrant Officer carries an officer sword. They're kinda in between. Anyone know? Or maybe it's dependent on the service?

Just curious.
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Nov 3, 2011, 11:34 PM
 
I think, in the US Army, NCOs can wear swords, so I'd guess WOs can too. IIUC, officers wear sabers and NCOs wear swords. I'm not sure which a WO would get.

Big grain of salt here. I barely know what I'm talking about.
     
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Nov 3, 2011, 11:57 PM
 
I'll ask my buddy in the navy. Not a warrant, but would likely know for that branch. I do know it's different for each branch (for example, the Air Force doesn't even have that grade any longer).
     
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Nov 3, 2011, 11:59 PM
 
Only Chief Warrant Officers have sabers included in their dress uniform.
     
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Nov 4, 2011, 01:00 PM
 
Oh, just found it under Wikipedia. Thanks imitchellg5, you're right. Chief Warrant Officers not only get a saber with their uniform, but they also get saluted. Kind of a funky military grade.
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Nov 4, 2011, 01:03 PM
 
Isn't it like the highest non-commissioned rank? That's why it gets crazy respect.
     
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Nov 4, 2011, 01:52 PM
 
It would appear so. Apparently at WO-3 they get all the privileges of an officer. Since they're authoritative experts on whatever it is in which they specialize, I'd imagine the respect goes a little further than just rank. They know their sh*t.
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Nov 4, 2011, 02:08 PM
 
Yep, just heard back from the naval friend: they get swords. He does too, apparently as a CPO.
     
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Nov 4, 2011, 03:25 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Isn't it like the highest non-commissioned rank? That's why it gets crazy respect.
Save the crazy respect for the sgt.-majors. Those guys have lived it.
     
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Originally Posted by finboy View Post
Save the crazy respect for the sgt.-majors. Those guys have lived it.
Do CWOs skip that rank or something?
     
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Nov 4, 2011, 04:01 PM
 
According to Wikipedia, you can become a Warrant Officer after 8 years.
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Nov 4, 2011, 06:58 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Isn't it like the highest non-commissioned rank? That's why it gets crazy respect.
CWO is a bit of an anomaly. WOs are always non-commissioned, but a CWO is commissioned by the office of the President directly.
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Do CWOs skip that rank or something?
Depends on the situation.

My dad's best friend is a CWO. Get this: He's not officially a part of any branch. I can't tell you what he does, because not even his family knows.
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Nov 4, 2011, 08:11 PM
 
Army warrants don't 'skip' grades, they come from the enlisted ranks by applying for WO school. If accepted, they're in. After graduating from WOCS they are warrants. The full commission comes at rank CW2. Army warrant officers do get saluted and rank higher than enlisted but lower than commissioned officers. The pay is good and they are supposed to be the experts in their field. From my experience that was hit or miss – it depended on the person.
     
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Nov 4, 2011, 08:25 PM
 
Do NCOs get swords, or was I wrong about that?
     
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Nov 4, 2011, 08:38 PM
 
Swords seem dated. Give me a light saber.
     
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Nov 4, 2011, 10:22 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
Do NCOs get swords, or was I wrong about that?
You do in the Marines and Army, but they're different from the swords carried by officers. Apparently by the time a Warrant Officer gets an officer's sword, they've been commissioned. So my guess would be no.
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Nov 4, 2011, 11:00 PM
 
Originally Posted by olePigeon View Post
You do in the Marines and Army...So my guess would be no.
Huh?
     
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Nov 4, 2011, 11:25 PM
 
True story: I thought I'd clicked on the circumcised thread, and everyone was talking about types of swords they wear in the Army.

I thought everyone was talking in code, man. I was gonna chime in about my pistol or something. It took me like 30 seconds to figure out. WTF.
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Nov 7, 2011, 08:17 AM
 
Many Warrants climb up from the ranks of enlisted people and become specialists in some particular area (logistics, commissary (ie "field kitchen"), etc.). Others, for example most Army helicopter pilots, are directly entered into service as Warrants. Ad for some reason, they all do seem to be called "Chief" Warrant Officers, even though there are no "lesser" warrant officers.

The Air Force did away with Warrants in the 1970s, with the last one retiring on 1 September 1978 (the day I enlisted). USAF manages all of those "senior specialist" jobs with Senior NCOs, who are frankly less expensive and who do not need the (disruptive) class distinction of "yet another layer of people who are "better than" the rank and file. (Both Army and Navy maintain substantial and clearly anti-democratic classism as a "tradition" whose purpose seems to be impossible to define or explain...)

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