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the macimum · Apr 17, 2006, 07:39 PM

Is there a way to install Os 9 and 10 without partitioning the HD, so, like boot camp, you can choose which one you want to boot with?

Thanks.

the macimum · Apr 17, 2006, 07:58 PM

Oh sorry, I guess when you are using boot camp, you are partitioning. Sorry don't use bootcamp.

CharlesS · Apr 17, 2006, 08:03 PM

OS 9 and OS X can go on the same partition without problems. However, if you go this way, you will have to use the Startup Disk control panel to switch between them, because holding down the Option key at startup to get the bootloader will only show the one partition with whichever OS you booted it with last.

If you want to use the bootloader, you have to repartition.

Peabo · Apr 17, 2006, 08:11 PM

Only if your Mac was made before January 2003!

CharlesS · Apr 17, 2006, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by z0ne81

Only if your Mac was made before January 2003!

Well, since he was talking about dual booting OS 9 and OS X, I guess I kind of assumed he has a machine that can do so...

OreoCookie · Apr 18, 2006, 05:16 AM

He has a Dual G5 which is unable to run OS9 as standalone OS (well, kind of, the Apple Hardware Test is based on OS9).

CharlesS · Apr 18, 2006, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by OreoCookie

He has a Dual G5 which is unable to run OS9 as standalone OS (well, kind of, the Apple Hardware Test is based on OS9).

Ah, I guess that serves me right for never reading signatures. Still, though, one of his machines is a dual G5, but we don't know that that is the machine he is asking about. Also, he could be contemplating the purchase of a TiBook on eBay for all I know, so I just answered his question.

I guess it's more my style just to answer questions that people ask rather than try to divine exactly what they're trying to do.

OreoCookie · Apr 18, 2006, 06:52 PM

You're right, he could. Well, he'll have to specify what machine he's talking about.

production_coordinator · Apr 18, 2006, 08:16 PM

Not to be "that guy"... but why on earth would you want to install OS 9 on any computer? The only reason IMHO is if the computer doesn't run OS X.

CharlesS · Apr 18, 2006, 09:05 PM

Maybe he managed to find some app that doesn't work right in Classic and that he has to use? Who cares, really? A guy asked a question. We're supposed to be here to help him, not question his reasons.

production_coordinator · Apr 18, 2006, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Maybe he managed to find some app that doesn't work right in Classic and that he has to use? Who cares, really? A guy asked a question. We're supposed to be here to help him, not question his reasons.

True... but he is a novice user... so I thought I would ask.

the macimum · Apr 20, 2006, 01:26 PM

Well, all my friends have macs with OS 9, They all have iMac g3's and dont like lag, so they stay with it. SOme of the games and files they send me are totally bootleg and only work on OS9

the macimum · Apr 20, 2006, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Ah, I guess that serves me right for never reading signatures. Still, though, one of his machines is a dual G5, but we don't know that that is the machine he is asking about. Also, he could be contemplating the purchase of a TiBook on eBay for all I know, so I just answered his question.

I guess it's more my style just to answer questions that people ask rather than try to divine exactly what they're trying to do.

Oh well, it is the powermac,

production_coordinator · Apr 23, 2006, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by the macimum

Well, all my friends have macs with OS 9, They all have iMac g3's and dont like lag, so they stay with it. SOme of the games and files they send me are totally bootleg and only work on OS9

Get new friends.

Millennium · Apr 23, 2006, 09:48 PM

Assuming that your Mac can boot OS9, it is possible to install both operating systems on either the same volume or separate volumes. Technically there is no advantage or disadvantage to either setup, but some (myself included) prefer to keep them on separate partitions, so that the two filesystems remain cleaner.

Once you've done this, you can hold down the Option key at startup to pick which operating system you wish to load. At least in theory there should be a way to force the OS to do this by default every startup, but nobody has figured out how to do so.

CharlesS · Apr 24, 2006, 03:08 AM

Originally Posted by Millennium

Assuming that your Mac can boot OS9, it is possible to install both operating systems on either the same volume or separate volumes. Technically there is no advantage or disadvantage to either setup, but some (myself included) prefer to keep them on separate partitions, so that the two filesystems remain cleaner.

Yes, there is an advantage to having two partitions, as I pointed out already - you can use the Option key then to switch between OSs. You can't do it if they're on the same partition. Try it sometime if you don't believe me.

the macimum · Apr 24, 2006, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by production_coordinator

Get new friends.

Workin' on it.

the macimum · Apr 24, 2006, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by OreoCookie

He has a Dual G5 which is unable to run OS9 as standalone OS (well, kind of, the Apple Hardware Test is based on OS9).

So wait, even if I partition the HD, I can't run OS9 without running os 10 first, or I can't even run it at all.

wadesworld · Apr 24, 2006, 10:13 AM

You cannot run OS 9 on that Dual G5, period.

You'll have to find somewhere else to run pirated software.

OreoCookie · Apr 24, 2006, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by the macimum

So wait, even if I partition the HD, I can't run OS9 without running os 10 first, or I can't even run it at all.

You can only run it as classic within OS X. For that, you don't need to partition your harddrive. I would recommend you install OS 9 onto a disk image and then open the disk image when you need OS 9.

Chuckit · Apr 24, 2006, 12:05 PM

Why on earth run Classic from a disk image?

CharlesS · Apr 24, 2006, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by the macimum

So wait, even if I partition the HD, I can't run OS9 without running os 10 first, or I can't even run it at all.

If you're using a modern PowerPC machine, you can't boot into OS 9, but you can use the Classic environment within OS X to run OS 9 apps.

If you have an Intel Mac, of course (which you don't), then you can't run OS 9 apps at all. Isn't that great? A number of people on here seem to think that's the best thing since sliced bread.

the macimum · Apr 24, 2006, 06:58 PM

Oh, thats so stupid, why?

OreoCookie · Apr 24, 2006, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Why on earth run Classic from a disk image?

It keeps your directory structure clean and does not meddle with OS X. That's the way we did it in the company I used to work for. We had a Classic disk image on a server that you simply downloaded if you needed it.

CharlesS · Apr 24, 2006, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by the macimum

Oh, thats so stupid, why?

Because the users screamed for Apple to discontinue the Classic environment, and they got their wish.

Big Mac · Apr 25, 2006, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by OreoCookie

He has a Dual G5 which is unable to run OS9 as standalone OS (well, kind of, the Apple Hardware Test is based on OS9).

I made that mistake myself - the AHT only looks like OS 9 because it is an easier interface to reproduce, but AHT is actually just a face on Open Firmware.

OreoCookie · Apr 25, 2006, 02:48 AM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

I made that mistake myself - the AHT only looks like OS 9 because it is an easier interface to reproduce, but AHT is actually just a face on Open Firmware.

No, it's a small OS actually even if it just used to access Open Firmware. I'm fairly certain it is based on OS 9. Run a test and (e. g. the disk test and press a button

).

Big Mac · Apr 25, 2006, 02:38 PM

Well, when I made the same claim other knowledgeable members said I was mistaken. Maybe I'll find the thread. Out of curiosity, what does the AHT interface for the Mactels look like?

production_coordinator · Apr 25, 2006, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by the macimum

Oh, thats so stupid, why?

Because OS 9 and Classic are dead for the most part. Why waste development time on a dead OS.

OreoCookie · Apr 25, 2006, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

Well, when I made the same claim other knowledgeable members said I was mistaken. Maybe I'll find the thread. Out of curiosity, what does the AHT interface for the Mactels look like?

I was wondering the same thing. There was no AHT CD included with my MacBook Pro, though, you have the use the installation dvd and press D during start-up.

Big Mac · Apr 25, 2006, 07:39 PM

And what does it look like?