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rezzi · Oct 8, 2004, 10:12 PM

Can't get to a TV right now. Was wondering if the prez' debate was on live in Mac-friendly format.

TheBadgerHunter · Oct 8, 2004, 10:14 PM

What debate?

rezzi · Oct 8, 2004, 10:18 PM

Ha! You answered correctly. I need to decide on what you just won.

Zimphire · Oct 8, 2004, 10:40 PM

It was close again. Bush I believe had the lead this time. He was a bit more prepared.

John felt it right between the eyes.

He wasn't as apologetic about John's waffling as he was last time.

This debate hurt John more than Bush.

hardcat1970 · Oct 8, 2004, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
It was close again. Bush I believe had the lead this time. He was a bit more prepared.

John felt it right between the eyes.

He wasn't as apologetic about John's waffling as he was last time.

This debate hurt John more than Bush.

i think they are petty even. As usual, Bush is strong on foreign policy but he is weak on domestic issue. You can sense that when he talks and he doesn't have the stronger vocal like when he talks about iraq. And Bush has no plans on how to fix up the domestic issue except attacking John Kerry's character issue.

TheBadgerHunter · Oct 8, 2004, 10:49 PM

Was it the second presidential debate?

This belong in the political lounge by the way.

On a related note: I'd really like to be a Kerry supporter. I hate Bush, like democrats generally, and think Kerry could be far more incompetent. I don't know, something about his face. Got a creepy look to him.

Please excuse my post, usually I don't knee-jerk (almost always rewrite my posts) but I had to say that.

Zimphire · Oct 8, 2004, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by hardcat1970:
i think they are petty even. As usual, Bush is strong on foreign policy but he is weak on domestic issue. You can sense that when he talks and he doesn't have the stronger vocal like when he talks about iraq. And Bush has no plans on how to fix up the domestic issue except attacking John Kerry's character issue.

Kerry has no plans period. And some of the ones he has, have already been shot down by the countries involved in said plans.

Kerry's only strategy in this debate was say "Bush doing bad, Kerry will do better" over and over with no substantial plan on HOW he plans on doing better.

Just lots of idealistic gibberish was no basis on reality.

d4nth3m4n · Oct 8, 2004, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
It was close again. Bush I believe had the lead this time. He was a bit more prepared.

John felt it right between the eyes.

He wasn't as apologetic about John's waffling as he was last time.

This debate hurt John more than Bush.

he asked for a link to a stream, NOT YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER!

...and you wonder why you get so many "fanboys"

in before the lock�.

Zimphire · Oct 8, 2004, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by d4nth3m4n:
he asked for a link to a stream, NOT YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER!

...and you wonder why you get so many "fanboys"

in before the lock�.

Maybe you should have posted this in the proper forum?

BlueSky · Oct 8, 2004, 11:33 PM

Poor Zim, goin' through some heavy withdrawls there...

Zimphire · Oct 8, 2004, 11:44 PM

Not really, I haven't been on NN that much the past few days.

TheBadgerHunter · Oct 9, 2004, 12:10 AM

Just looking at that thread in the political lounge.. almost entirely Kerry supporters. Only a couple blood thirsty Bush supporters though.

amsalpemkcus · Oct 9, 2004, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
Just looking at that thread in the political lounge.. almost entirely Kerry supporters. Only a couple blood thirsty Bush supporters though.

Gankdawg · Oct 9, 2004, 12:49 AM

How did I know that a thread about trying to find out if the debate was available in QT would turn into a debate about the debate? And it only took 3 posts.....

BTW, IMHO, Bush won this one.

Lateralus · Oct 9, 2004, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
It was close again.

...again? Which debate were you watching last week?

jolivierld · Oct 9, 2004, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
It was close again. Bush I believe had the lead this time. He was a bit more prepared.

John felt it right between the eyes.

He wasn't as apologetic about John's waffling as he was last time.

This debate hurt John more than Bush.

Fortunetaly, people don't think like you

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...10/09/LEDE.TMP

jolivierld · Oct 9, 2004, 01:20 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Kerry has no plans period. And some of the ones he has, have already been shot down by the countries involved in said plans.

Kerry's only strategy in this debate was say "Bush doing bad, Kerry will do better" over and over with no substantial plan on HOW he plans on doing better.

Just lots of idealistic gibberish was no basis on reality.

MARXISMMMM NOWWWWWW
GO BACK TO SCHOOOOLLL

MindFad · Oct 9, 2004, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by PowerMacMan:
...again? Which debate were you watching last week?

Oh, come it. Like we all don't know Zim lives in a political fantasy world. This thread would be awexome in the pol. lounge!

Originally posted by jolivierld:
Fortunetaly, people don't think like you

Unfortunately, some do.

demograph68 · Oct 9, 2004, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by rezzi:
Can't get to a TV right now. Was wondering if the prez' debate was on live in Mac-friendly format.

MindFad · Oct 9, 2004, 01:40 AM

Pffft, topics.

Peter · Oct 9, 2004, 05:08 AM

what debate?

dtriska · Oct 9, 2004, 06:26 AM

Copy and paste into RealPlayer, as it will probably launch QuickTime Player otherwise: rtsp://cspanrm.fplive.net/cspan/project/c04/c04100804_debate3.rm?start=:04:44.0&end=1:39:44.0

OreoCookie · Oct 9, 2004, 07:31 AM

From what I've seen, this time, it was even. Bush seemed better-prepared and highly focussed.

Zimphire · Oct 9, 2004, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by OreoCookie:
From what I've seen, this time, it was even. Bush seemed better-prepared and highly focussed.

Eh, it was even last time. Kerry having a slight lead. This time it was pretty even as well. Bush however had the lead.

Ω · Oct 9, 2004, 10:58 AM

Pol Lounge???

Ratm · Oct 9, 2004, 11:02 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jolivierld:
Fortunetaly, people don't think like you

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...10/09/LEDE.TMP [/QUOTE

Yes, thank goodness.
http://www.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/result...0.exclude.html

President Bush 22% 116939 votes

John Kerry 75% 388573 votes

Evenly matched 3% 15181 votes Total: 520693 votes

macintologist · Oct 9, 2004, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by rezzi:
Can't get to a TV right now. Was wondering if the prez' debate was on live in Mac-friendly format.

Wow no one answered his question.

www.c-span.org has a realplayer stream. It's not bad. No quicktime though.

hardcat1970 · Oct 9, 2004, 11:15 AM

itms should have it next week.

jolivierld · Oct 9, 2004, 11:23 AM

Pretty much the same on the very conservative network CNN

Who won the second presidential debate?
President Bush

23%

123682 votes
John Kerry

74%

405783 votes
Evenly matched

3%

16174 votes
Total: 545639 votes

Ratm · Oct 9, 2004, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by jolivierld:
Pretty much the same on the very conservative network CNN

Two post above you.

OreoCookie · Oct 9, 2004, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Eh, it was even last time. Kerry having a slight lead. This time it was pretty even as well. Bush however had the lead.

Well, it doesn't depend on either one of us individually. Of course we both find the candidate more convincing that shares more common points. But I was talking about the polls and they speak a different language.

Especially when you say that Kerry had a slight lead in the first debate which certainly is not shared by the reaction of (even friendly) newspapers. (Again, winning a debate, doesn't mean the respective candidate, nor does it mean he is more capable if he wins the debate, it's just about selling.) I honestly don't care about the debates.

Zimphire · Oct 9, 2004, 03:17 PM

Strikeout
Kerry blows the second debate.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2107963/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2004Oct4.html

Polling at non-partisan website vote.com indicated, overwhelmingly, that George Bush won last nights debate versus John Kerry.

President Bush! (7,657)
(60%)
Senator Kerry! (5,028)
(40%)

And it goes on..

I guess it's subjective.

PacHead · Oct 9, 2004, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by jolivierld:
Pretty much the same on the very conservative network CNN

Put down the crack pipe boy.

Lateralus · Oct 9, 2004, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Strikeout
Kerry blows the second debate.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2107963/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2004Oct4.html

Polling at non-partisan website vote.com indicated, overwhelmingly, that George Bush won last nights debate versus John Kerry.

President Bush! (7,657)
(60%)
Senator Kerry! (5,028)
(40%)

And it goes on..

I guess it's subjective.

Congratulations. You've cited an op ed and a web poll with a whole 12,000 votes.

Weezer · Oct 9, 2004, 03:44 PM

internet polls mean nothing. A real poll said it was too close to call :

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...ain/index.html

jolivierld · Oct 9, 2004, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by PacHead:
Put down the crack pipe boy.

what?

Zimphire · Oct 9, 2004, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by PowerMacMan:
Congratulations. You've cited an op ed and a web poll with a whole 12,000 votes.

And your point is...

It's subjective. That what my point was.

You cannot deny that.

Kenneth · Oct 9, 2004, 04:31 PM

may be you can find it on Bit Torrent.

OreoCookie · Oct 9, 2004, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
...

And it goes on..

I guess it's subjective.

Yup, what I said. Quote different polls, get different answers.
Thing is, it's gonna be close again this year. Probably even if one candidate would totally destroy the other one in the debate (but we know this isn't gonna happen and mere speculation.

It'll be close and fun to watch from the `outside'

george68 · Oct 9, 2004, 06:32 PM

I had a bunch of people over to watch it... lots girls, guys, and alcohol. Fun stuff. By the end I don't think it mattered to any of us. Exactly as planned. Woot.

- Rob

dtriska · Oct 9, 2004, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by macintologist:
Wow no one answered his question.

www.c-span.org has a realplayer stream. It's not bad. No quicktime though.

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...68#post2228218

ringo · Oct 9, 2004, 07:00 PM

If you're into newsgroups: the second debate was recently posted to alt.binaries.multimedia

OreoCookie · Oct 10, 2004, 05:24 AM

Originally posted by george68:
I had a bunch of people over to watch it... lots girls, guys, and alcohol. Fun stuff. By the end I don't think it mattered to any of us. Exactly as planned. Woot.

- Rob

Good stuff, indeed

Way to go