[MacosNerd]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

The G4 cube tanked when it came out as it was expensive. The Mini 5 years later was smaller and cheaper and did rather well.

Not specifically because it was too expensive, but rather it was virtually the same price as a G4 powermac without the upgradeability. If they positioned better between the iMac and Powermac it may have faired better.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by MacosNerd 

Not specifically because it was too expensive, but rather it was virtually the same price as a G4 powermac without the upgradeability. If they positioned better between the iMac and Powermac it may have faired better.

So in other-words it was to expensive for what you got.

[osiris]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

So in other-words it was to expensive for what you got.

But looked real pretty.

[MacosNerd]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

So in other-words it was to expensive for what you got.

Actually it was expensive for what you didn't get. Expansion capabilities.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by MacosNerd 

Actually it was expensive for what you didn't get. Expansion capabilities.

yes it didn't expand like the towers but you could still add a new hard drive and a heap of RAM to it better than todays mini's.

For me it was perfect and I knew I paid for the design of it which didn't bother me and the 150,000 other people who got one. Unfortunately that wasn't enough.

[imitchellg5]

I personally loved the Cube. I want to get one, but I want it to be in near-perfect condition, which is getting hard to find without paying a ton.

BTW, my dad's friend is working on a Cube G5. Not sure how that will work with the G5's heat.

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by Paco500 

I'm not trying to bust your chops- but the Duo's came out in the mid 90's- when I'm guessing you were in elementary school. What are you basing this comment on? You didn't see many on the playground?

My mom was in high school when Star Wars came out, but I know that it was a success.

[packet of krisps]

Originally Posted by imitchellg5 

I personally loved the Cube. I want to get one, but I want it to be in near-perfect condition, which is getting hard to find without paying a ton.

BTW, my dad's friend is working on a Cube G5. Not sure how that will work with the G5's heat.

I have seen people easily put 80mm exhaust fans on the bottom of those things, pillowcase has done it, you just slide the fan into a gap between the vent and processor heatsink.

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by packet of krisps 

I have seen people easily put 80mm exhaust fans on the bottom of those things, pillowcase has done it, you just slide the fan into a gap between the vent and processor heatsink.

Huh. After my iMac though, I don't like the idea of putting that much heat in such a small case.

[Paco500]

Originally Posted by imitchellg5 

My mom was in high school when Star Wars came out, but I know that it was a success.

Yes- but so was the Duo. It was in production for 5 years- longer than the TiBook- not exactly the bomb you made it out to be.

[awaspaas]

Wow, I sure don't remember the Duo being out for five! years. As far as I know, it was only on the Seinfeld set for 1 or 2 years.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Paco500 

Yes- but so was the Duo. It was in production for 5 years- longer than the TiBook- not exactly the bomb you made it out to be.

Mactracker says it was discontinued two years and eight months after it was introduced — obviously with no replacement.

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by Paco500 

Yes- but so was the Duo. It was in production for 5 years- longer than the TiBook- not exactly the bomb you made it out to be.

The Chevy Lumina was around for 11 years, but it was a bomb. What are you trying to say? That because something happened before I was born or when I was in elementary school that I can't possibly know anything about it? There was a large earthquake in Washington when I was in 4th grade. By your logic, the earthquake probably never happened and was more likely to have been a thunderstorm.

[brassplayersrock²]

Paco, do you know anything about dinosaurs?

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by brassplayersrock² 

Paco, do you know anything about dinosaurs?

Do you know anything about Paco ?

-t

[Eug]

Originally Posted by imitchellg5 

I personally loved the Cube. I want to get one, but I want it to be in near-perfect condition, which is getting hard to find without paying a ton.

BTW, my dad's friend is working on a Cube G5. Not sure how that will work with the G5's heat.

The COMPLETE Mac mini fits inside a Cube enclosure. All you have to do is line up the optical drive slot and put in some rubber inserts to hold it in place and you're good to go.

[brassplayersrock²]

space farmers, Fenwick Michigan, he likes: The Beatles, Neil Young, The Rolling Stones.

why do you ask turtle?

[Paco500]

Originally Posted by imitchellg5 

The Chevy Lumina was around for 11 years, but it was a bomb. What are you trying to say? That because something happened before I was born or when I was in elementary school that I can't possibly know anything about it? There was a large earthquake in Washington when I was in 4th grade. By your logic, the earthquake probably never happened and was more likely to have been a thunderstorm.

This is an annoying argument. My point was not that one cannot have knowledge of something if they were not there. I was responding to your direct comments:

Originally Posted by awaspaas
Wasn't DuoDock a horrible failure? I'm not sure how this is an improvement, but I honestly haven't thought about it that much.

Originally Posted by imitchellg5
Yeah it was.

And

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES
Was it because of the price and performance? they could do it much better today.

The G4 cube tanked when it came out as it was expensive. The Mini 5 years later was smaller and cheaper and did rather well.

Originally Posted by imitchellg5
If I remember right it was mostly price, and most people didn't seem to think it was worth a premium

It was not a bomb, flop or rejected by the market. Duo's were sold from October 1992 (Duo 210), until February 2007 (Duo 2300). It made the transition from the 68030, to the 68040, to the PowerPC. It made the transition from Grayscale to Color. The product line was "end-of-lifed" only when the replacement, the PB2400 was released. Unfortunately, this really did flop in the market place- they keyboard was too small and it had no docking station. So my point was- you have your facts wrong.

The only reason I brought up your age is that you asserted your incorrect knowledge as having the backing of memory. Again, for emphasis:

Originally Posted by imitchellg5
If I remember right it was mostly price, and most people didn't seem to think it was worth a premium

Which again, was just wrong.

As for the Lumina, two things- the computer business is not the car business. Second, the Lumina sold in huge numbers to fleet sales (rentals, taxis, etc). I don't care that you are young- my point is that you are wrong.

[Andy8]

Is the keynote one or two hours this year? Let us assume it is 2 hours long, the first 20 minutes recapping what has happened in the last year, then we move onto iTunes and movie rentals, that takes us up another 30 minutes with some tie into the iPhone. The we move onto the new LED displays in 3 new sizes, which burns another 15 minutes, then the new apple TV?Mac Mini slim nano version and in the final 30-40 minutes we have one more thing: SlimBookPro

[Eug]

Originally Posted by Eug 

I've been wondering if they incorporate true commercial hi-def optical disc support (Blu-ray and/or HD DVD), but my guess is no. If they did do it though, it'd come with a new Mac Pro (which is due for an update).

Oh and no 3G iPhone either yet.

Maybe a new small form factor pro laptop.

Quiet release of an updated Mac mini? Nah. Too early.

Maybe a new Xserve. (And yes they have announced Xserves at Macworld before.)

No iTablet.

Well, the new Mac Pro is here. No hi-def burner.

[MacinTommy]

when is the keynote?

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by Paco500 

This is an annoying argument. My point was not that one cannot have knowledge of something if they were not there. Duo's were sold from October 1992 (Duo 210), until February 2007 (Duo 2300).

Oh really?

So by your thinking, George Washington wasn't the United States' first President. Nobody alive today was there, so it couldn't have happened. The Civil War never happened, we just made it up.

[Paco500]

Originally Posted by imitchellg5 

Oh really?

So by your thinking, George Washington wasn't the United States' first President. Nobody alive today was there, so it couldn't have happened. The Civil War never happened, we just made it up.

Do you not read or are you just kind of dumb? Maybe someone else can explain this to you.

[brassplayersrock²]

a little extreme dontcha think paco?

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by Paco500 

Do you not read or are you just kind of dumb? Maybe someone else can explain this to you.

I read perfectly fine. I read that you said that I can't have knowledge of something that happened when I was young or not around.

"My point was not that one cannot have knowledge of something if they were not there."

I guess we'll never know what happens at Macworld unless we all personally go there. And we should all stop watching the news.

[brassplayersrock²]

*sigh* his point: WAS NOT that you CANNOT.

think about it Mitchell

[imitchellg5]

Oh oops. My apologies Paco

[turtle777]

Wow, Mitch, hilarious !

-t

[brassplayersrock²]

i looked for white text, but there was none

[Paco500]

Originally Posted by brassplayersrock² 

a little extreme dontcha think paco?

Yep. But I post how I live. Xtreme.

[iM@k]

So with the release of the MacPro update, it begs the questions: what is left to announce at MWSF? I can't imagine any major iPod/iPhone announcements (Unless you consider possibly going to a G3 network major) as they just were recently updated. the iMacs were updated at the same time.

The only thing that would make any sense to me (Not that I have a lot on sense to begin with) might possibly be the introduction of the headless midway system we've always wanted but never really got. The argument against doing so has always been that doing so would cut into the Mac Pros margin, with the release of the 8 core systems all across, might there be enough room now?. Could it be fair to assume, they'll dump the mini, and let the iMac slip into the Mini's lower level niche, and then replace it with something new in the middle? Just a thought

[Dakar the Fourth]

Originally Posted by Paco500 

Yep. But I post how I live. Xtreme.

You and Vanilla Ice.

[macfantn]

someone needs to release some more info to the rumor sites to fuel this macworld. I am tired of the lack of info out there.

[lpkmckenna]

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna 

1. subnotebook with external optical drive.
2. a merged TV/Mac mini/home server, no optical drive, but you can use the external one.
3. iPhone/iTouch updates including new apps and games
4. Mac Pro update with Blu-Ray
5. Game demos: Unreal Tournament 3 and Gears of War.
6. New Aperture and Aperture Express.

7. Demos for Abode Photoshop Elements and Microsoft Office.

I think we still might see Blu-Ray from Apple. This is going out a limb, but perhaps Apple will introduce an external Blu-Ray drive that could be used with the merged TV/Mac mini, with the Mac Pro, and with any laptop. Apple might also add an internal option for the Mac Pro.

If Apple sold an external Blu-Ray drive, wouldn't you buy one in a second? I would.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna 

7. Demos for Abode Photoshop Elements and Microsoft Office.

I think we still might see Blu-Ray from Apple. This is going out a limp, but perhaps Apple will introduce an external Blu-Ray drive that could be used with the merged TV/Mac mini, with the Mac Pro, and with any laptop. Apple might also add an internal option for the Mac Pro.

That would piss off a lot of people who ordered the Mac Pro already.

If Apple sold an external Blu-Ray drive, wouldn't you buy one in a second? I would.

Why? What would an external Apple Blu-ray drive offer over a 3rd party one, except the Apple warranty and a higher price for the Apple? Well, looks I suppose...

P.S. There is no mention of HDCP support for the new Mac Pros.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by iM@k 

So with the release of the MacPro update, it begs the questions: what is left to announce at MWSF? I can't imagine any major iPod/iPhone announcements (Unless you consider possibly going to a G3 network major) as they just were recently updated. the iMacs were updated at the same time.

• TV
• Mac mini
• MacBooks (Pro)

[lpkmckenna]

Originally Posted by Eug 

That would piss off a lot of people who ordered the Mac Pro already.

Unless you bought a stock model, most shipments dates are weeks away, giving buyers a chance to upgrade.

Originally Posted by Eug 

Why? What would an external Apple Blu-ray drive offer over a 3rd party one, except the Apple warranty and a higher price for the Apple? Well, looks I suppose...

Blu-Ray playback with the "Macbook mini" and TV/Mac mini, since neither will have an optical drive.

Originally Posted by Eug 

P.S. There is no mention of HDCP support for the new Mac Pros.

True. But can Apple meet the requirements in software?

I did mention that this is all going-out-a-limb stuff.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna 

Unless you bought a stock model, most shipments dates are weeks away, giving buyers a chance to upgrade.

Yeah, but it's still a lot of people nonetheless.

Blu-Ray playback with the "Macbook mini" and TV/Mac mini, since neither will have an optical drive.

We'll, they'll have to licence VC-1 and AACS. And I'm not sure if a MacBook and Mac mini have enough power to handle it. Maybe the MacBook does with the new X3100 though, and they could update the Mac mini at Macworld. However, the AppleTV definitely doesn't have enough power.

True. But can Apple meet the requirements in software?

It's a hardware and software requirement AFAIK. (I suppose it's always possible it's already there in hardware, but they just haven't implemented it yet.)

I did mention that this is all going-out-a-limb stuff.

True dat.

[Cadaver]

Originally Posted by Eug 

IIRC, the GeForce 2 MX with the massive heatsink - the version appropriate for the Cube - was rare as hen's teeth after market.

The biggest drawback was the above, and the fact you couldn't use a desktop drive. You could have a DVD-ROM drive, or a CD-RW, but not both at the same time.

The cube did use a full size drive.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by Cadaver 

The cube did use a full size drive.

Note the comment after that. I was talking about desktop optical drives.

[MacinTommy]

I have an idea of something that Apple wont be releasing.. I think(hope) a 3rd party vendor will be releasing something that will integrate your car and iPhone better than what is currently on the market... which is pretty much nothing..

[ort888]

Updated iPhone OS/new standard apps 99%
iTunes rentals 99%
iPhone games 90%
3rd party iPhone Apps 90%
16 gig iPhone 50%
3G iPhone 10%
Subnotebook 25%
New look Macbook 25%
New look MacBook Pro 25%
Bumped iMacs 75%
Bumped Mini 75%
New Mini form factor/ headless iMac 10%
New Apple TV 75%
New look displays 10%
Display price drop 50%
Blu-ray anything 10%
New iPods or updates of any kind 1%
Something completely unexpected 20%

[Eug]

Originally Posted by ort888 

Bumped Mini 75%
New Mini form factor/ headless iMac 10%
New Apple TV 75%

BusinessWeek: Steve Jobs' Video Dreams

It's a sign of the challenges ahead for Jobs & Co. While Apple's dramatic comeback thanks to digital music and the iPod reads like a Hollywood screenplay, Jobs' efforts in video-land won't follow the same script. Indeed, two years after Apple added video capability to its iPod line and began selling a smattering of shows and movies on the iTunes Music Store, its share in video remains minuscule.

Jobs is planning a major offensive to try to change all that, with at least some of the details to be announced at Macworld on Jan. 15. Most important, he plans to launch a movie rental service on iTunes for the first time. Apple is in furious negotiations with top studios to make their new releases available for the service, as well as for sale. BusinessWeek has learned that Apple is nearing deals with Warner Bros. (TWX) and Paramount (VIA), and has already secured deals with Disney (DIS) and 20th Century Fox. Apple is also planning a major upgrade of the slow-selling Apple TV set-top box.

[ort888]

I want to be able to pay one monthly fee and have access to all the downloadable HD movies I want.

Make it happen Apple!

The first company to get a device like that on the market, and make it easy, cheap and fully supported by the studios will win this thing. Or have a huge head start anyway.

[Judge_Fire]

I'll predict a 42" iMac just because I need a new television.

[ajprice]

Macworld.Ars: First banner up at Moscone Center

2008. There's something in the air.



By that slogan, it's probably something wireless. Thinking caps on, people...

[Dakar the Fourth]

My first thought would be wireless synching iPods, but that makes no sense.

[olePigeon]

CDMA iPhone?

[starman]

Wireless TV?

[ort888]

Apple orbital laser.