[ARENA]

Originally posted by j3kyll:
<STRONG>Heh damn... we haven't seen a reply to the modem bug problem yet, cos all the dialup users are still downloading.

='(</STRONG>

That is sad but true, i've been downloading it for the last hour, and still have like 1 third left

I'd love that this update could fix the nasty PPP freeze, but i won't hold my breath. It wasn't mentioned in the description, and being just one day after the report of the origin of the bug (thanks Angus_D!) i really doubt Apple could just fix it so soon.

[FreshApple]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think my Fresh Apple news site is the first to report the OS 10.1.3 update. Kewlies!!

http://freshapple.n3.net/

[ 02-19-2002: Message edited by: FreshApple ]

[Adam Betts]

I'm still not able to get DVD to play with my external monitor connected to my Ti400. I'm not sure if it's just me or everyone with Ti400 have this same problem.

[FreshApple]

Awwww...MacNN beat me to the news of 10.1.3.

[asxless]

I suppose I should thank Apple for re-teaching me a very important lesson...

Don't install any Apple OS X update (even a 0.0.1 update) for at least 24hrs after the release unless you have a current full backup from which to restore.

OS X is simply too new/fragile to update without current full backups if you are using ANY 3rd party drivers, etc. 10.1.3 is the first OS X update that broke more than it fixed on my TiBook. In my case, this update was 1 step forward and 2 steps back. I can now view DVDs on my TV in OS X but EVERY 3rd party hardware driver I use is now broken...
* The MacAlly Mouse (beta) drivers no longer function until I reset them after every login
* My new Microtech Zio! USB Compact Flash reader, that mounted and worked so well with iPhoto this afternoon in 10.1.2, now doesn't even mount -- let alone import into iPhoto.

FWIW after reinstalling both 3rd party drivers, I get the same results.

asxless in iLand

[ 02-19-2002: Message edited by: asxless ]

[asxless]

Originally posted by Raining Down in Texas:
<STRONG>Does anyone know if 10.1.3 breaks the new Zio CompactFlash reader driver?</STRONG>

Zio was working fine this afternoon in 10.1.2 and isDEAD AS A DOORNAIL in 10.1.3

asxless in iLand

[Eug]

Originally posted by asxless:
<STRONG>

Zio was working fine this afternoon in 10.1.2 and isDEAD AS A DOORNAIL in 10.1.3

asxless in iLand</STRONG>

Well, at least my Firewire Lexar CF Reader still works. I was worried it'd get broken too.

[nickm]

Zio was working fine this afternoon in 10.1.2 and is DEAD AS A DOORNAIL in 10.1.3

Well, I hope Zio gets an update out soon, so that 10.2 can come out and break it again!

[Titom]

Originally posted by gorickey:
<STRONG>I have restarted twice and still cannot "Connect to Server"...hmmm....that is irritating...</STRONG>

Can connect to local server. (appletalk, behind xrouter)

[zythemac]

My G3 400 is definitely snappier. One major place I feel it is when right-clicking Dock folders with long menus - instant.

I can't remember, but the root library folder seems different to me. Were there always folders directly in Library called Themes and User Pictures?

[OpenStep]

I installed it on my dual 1ghz and my cube. Seems to run a little faster. iPhoto launches much faster than before. The update installed fine like it should and didn't freeze.

[Xeo]

I'm having a tough time getting it. I keep getting errors. Could someone make a saved pkg available or something? Just tar it or something. Thanks.

[Don Pickett]

Definitely faster on a Pismo 500 - window resizing is now much smoother, with no lag. Mail is 1.1 - don't know if that's new, but people have said it's now got SSL.

iTunes seems to be marginally more efficient 12-16% versus 15-20%, but it makes a difference, as it seems to interrupt scrolling less. Now all I need is more memory and a way to turn off freakin' menu blinking. Give my firstborn for that. . .

Downloaded from Software Update over dialup, and all went well. Even saved it when I was done.

[starfleetX]

Originally posted by zythemac:
<STRONG>Were there always folders directly in Library called Themes and User Pictures?</STRONG>

User Pictures has been there. It is for you to put custom icons for users to choose for the login window.

Themes is there because you are using some theme utility like duality or something. It is not in my Library.

[asxless]

Originally posted by asxless:
<STRONG>Zio was working fine this afternoon in 10.1.2 and isDEAD AS A DOORNAIL in 10.1.3 </STRONG>

Simply reinstalling the drivers is not enough. maroma, in another thread, posted a workaround from VersionTracker...

After "Go[ing] to System/Library/Extensions/ and remov[ing] the files "USBATCF.kext" and "USBATCF10.1.2.kext". &lt;snip&gt; Reinstall[ing], using the 1.09 Installer Package." my Zio now mounts and imports into iPhoto again.

The two deleted files get replaced with two files with the same exact same sizes & names but the new "USBATCF.kext" file has a creaation and modify date of Feb 11, 2002 while the older one has a creation date of Dec 5th and modifiy date of today.

Now to fix the MacAlly Mouse Drivers...

asxless in iLand

[ 02-20-2002: Message edited by: asxless ]

[rworne]

Originally posted by Cellery:
<STRONG>I don't notice any additional Finder snappiness, but iTunes is getting better fps in the visualizer and QuickTime is more responsive when playing my big Simpsons and Futurama MPEG1s. As for the window buffer compression, is it the exact same thing as moki's trick?
</STRONG>

All I know is that when I switch from full screen Visualizer back to the desktop, iTunes doesn't skip anymore! :-)

[foamy]

FWIW I had to reboot a second time. After the mandatory reboot my machine was slow as molasses. Rebooted again and everything was nice and snappy.

Skywalker's gotta love this thread..... snappier... snappier.... snappier

[NosniboR80]

Alright, I had a similar problem with my install. I was doing all sorts of other things on my TiPB when it was dling, installing, and optimizing. It crashed about a fourth the way through the optimizing. My whole computer froze, except that iTunes kept playing (a welcome change - since it used to be the culprit the 2 other times it has frozen on me.)

So, since it installed everything and simply failed on the optimization part, did i make up for the crash by "sudo update_prebinding -root /"? Does that reproduce the optimization? Or should I go back and do it again somehow?

[Maneki Neko]

Seems snappier to me. Maybe I'm just going crazy, but iTunes seems to be eating less CPU time, and overall, things seem better.

[mindwaves]

It froze on me when optimizing. But when I rebooted, it said 10.1.3. I deleted the stuff and reinstalled again just to be sure.

[benh57]

Originally posted by mindwaves:
<STRONG>It froze on me when optimizing. But when I rebooted, it said 10.1.3. I deleted the stuff and reinstalled again just to be sure.</STRONG>

I had the same problem. Launch Console. it turns out the freeze was the window server crashing. Filed as Bug# 2864620.

Date/Time: 2002-02-19 18:17:26 -0800
OS Version: 10.1.3 (Build 5Q45)
Command: WindowServer
PID: 72
Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0x0001) at 0x00161000

Thread 0 Crashed:
#0 0x70003d04 in 0x70003d04
#1 0x7719d34c in 0x7719d34c
#2 0x77198d80 in 0x77198d80
#3 0x7719360c in 0x7719360c
#4 0x77177d24 in 0x77177d24
#5 0x7717c4f0 in 0x7717c4f0
#6 0x77180978 in 0x77180978
#7 0x7729d8d4 in 0x7729d8d4
#8 0x00002ecc in 0x2ecc
#9 0x00002e08 in 0x2e08
#10 0x00002c38 in 0x2c38

And in system.log:
Feb 19 18:17:25 lsanca1-ar8-022-141 /Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app/Contents/MacOS/Terminal: kCGErrorIllegalArgument : CGSGetDisplayBounds (display 0)
Feb 19 18:17:26 lsanca1-ar8-022-141 last message repeated 9 times
Feb 19 18:17:26 lsanca1-ar8-022-141 /Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app/Contents/MacOS/Terminal: kCGErrorIllegalArgument : CGSSetMenuBarHeight: messaging error
Feb 19 18:17:26 lsanca1-ar8-022-141 /Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app/Contents/MacOS/Terminal: kCGErrorIllegalArgument : CGSGetDisplayBounds (display 0)
Feb 19 18:17:26 lsanca1-ar8-022-141 /Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app/Contents/MacOS/Terminal: kCGErrorIllegalArgument : CGSGetDisplayDepth
Feb 19 18:17:26 lsanca1-ar8-022-141 /Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app/Contents/MacOS/Terminal: kCGErrorIllegalArgument : CGSGetDisplayBaseAddress

(and much more)

[Xeo]

Nevermind posting it for me. I was able to get it through dial-up. Our network is total crap these days.

[Jerommeke]

for what I can say now it makes is snappier indeed, the looking up of servers goes WAY faster

[juanvaldes]

Originally posted by benh57:
<STRONG>

I had the same problem. Launch Console. it turns out the freeze was the window server crashing. Filed as Bug# 2864620.
</STRONG>

That happened to me to. Launched System prefs to cut out my auto start apps for after the reboot. telneted in (stupid windows and no ssh) and killed window manager and since I was in the optimization phase when it happened, it thought I was done with the system update. So I deleted the package and restarted and it still thinks it's 10.1.3 Got too much homework to deal with it now, saw a few others had the same problem.

[iNeusch]

Originally posted by Colonel Panic:
<STRONG>10.1.3 seems to have turned on window compression.</STRONG>

Nope

[ablaze]

Direct download link: http://download.info.apple.com/Mac_O...10.1.3.dmg.bin

[fourstarcltv]

Originally posted by ls -al:
<STRONG> And it makes my PowerBook G4/500 snappier.</STRONG>

no noticeable speed difference here.

onwards to 10.2...

[maroma]

is it me, or did they increase the mouse tracking speed? i could've sworn i had mine all the way up in 10.1.2, but when i went to it after the update it was only a little over half way. turning it all the way up seems to have made my mouse smoke some kick ass crack. (either that, or i've smoked too much weed tonight)

[JohnD]

Wow, SMB seems like 100 times faster......
It makes things a little snappier indeed.
Using 450 Cube with 512 ram and Xoptimeze every now and then so it must be part of the update.

[fourstarcltv]

Originally posted by maroma:
<STRONG>is it me, or did they increase the mouse tracking speed? i could've sworn i had mine all the way up in 10.1.2, but when i went to it after the update it was only a little over half way. turning it all the way up seems to have made my mouse smoke some kick ass crack. (either that, or i've smoked too much weed tonight)</STRONG>

no, it's not the weed. setting the mouse tracking speed to full certainly allows the cursor to fly around the screen.

[Geobunny]

Originally posted by juanvaldes:
<STRONG>

That happened to me to. Launched System prefs to cut out my auto start apps for after the reboot. telneted in (stupid windows and no ssh) and killed window manager and since I was in the optimization phase when it happened, it thought I was done with the system update. So I deleted the package and restarted and it still thinks it's 10.1.3 Got too much homework to deal with it now, saw a few others had the same problem.</STRONG>

If it crashed during the optimization phase, then it has finished the update. All you need to do (in fact you don't even need to do it, but it helps make things snappier) is update the prebinding which can be done using MOX optimize on VersionTracker or type into the terminal:
sudo update_prebinding -root /

[jock]

Adam,
I have a tibook 400 and DVD playback on an external monitor works fine

[el_humpo]

Login authentication support for LDAP and Active Directory services

Does this mean that I should be able to directly authenticate against an LDAP or AD domain, without using OS X Server? Cuz I sure don't see any new options in the Login control panel...

[petej]

Originally posted by el_humpo:
<STRONG>Does this mean that I should be able to directly authenticate against an LDAP or AD domain, without using OS X Server? Cuz I sure don't see any new options in the Login control panel...</STRONG>

It's not a pref, you'd do it from Directory Services (in Applications/Utilities), but there are no new options there. I guess we'll have to wait for the technote on the update to find out how. There's always been LDAP support, but it was LDAPv2. I'm hoping the new stuff supports LDAPv3.

[ 02-20-2002: Message edited by: petej ]

[tsheley]

Here is what I noticed after the update...

1. First off it does feel faster. I don't know if it is just me or not but I don't care. As long as I think it is faster it is.

2. My Lite-On 24x10x40 CD-RW and an OWC Mercury Firewire case now finishes burns using DiscBurner and iTunes. Before in 10.1.2 it would hang and never finish.

3. I used to get a weird problem with the DVD Player and OpenGL Screensavers. If I played a DVD my screensavers would be all streched out on the screen until I rebooted. Just tried it this morning and it does not do this anymore.

4. iTunes visuals seem much faster and smoother in full screen.

I would have to say that this was a very good update. For me anyway.

[ 02-20-2002: Message edited by: tsheley ]

[oranjdisc]

Not sure if someone else pointed this out, but the full screen visuals in iTunes now render full frame on my Apple 17" LCD. Before there were little black letterbox bars across the top and bottom, now it's completely flush.

If only I could get g-force to do the same.

[NY152]

After I installed 10.1.3 It wasnt the speed difference I noticed, but the longer battery life on my iBook 500. It increased by an hour from 2:45 hours to 3:45. Seems to charge faster as well but that may be subjective.

[ 02-20-2002: Message edited by: NY152 ]

[NY152]

After I installed 10.1.3 It wasnt the speed difference I noticed, but the longer battery life on my iBook 500. It increased by an hour from 2:45 hours to 3:45. Seems to charge faster as well but that may be subjective.

[Adam Betts]

Originally posted by jock:
<STRONG>Adam,
I have a tibook 400 and DVD playback on an external monitor works fine</STRONG>

Damn... which screen are you using as a main monitor: external monitor or Ti's LCD?

[dscottbuch]

After installing 10.1.3 tried out the virtual switch network sharing on VPC 5.0. The good news is that it no longer seems to kernal panic with an Airport connection. The bad news is that it doesn't seem to see the network. Everything is fine with a hardwire connection.

Anyone try this/see this?

Thanks,

[DannyVTim]

Okay, so is Window Compression On or Off?

Various people have said differing things, and it window Compression and moving the VM files to a separate partition as made a large difference in overall speed because it knocks down the I/O and subsequently the amount of paging.

So, does any one have a definitive answer?

[Skywalker]

Ok, I'll say it as well.

On my iBook, it feels snappier.

Apps respond faster even when I have Virtual PC in the background. All the UI elements such as menus, scrollbars, buttons, and popup list respond right away instead of that half second lag.

I'll see how it feels two weeks from now. Maybe it's the optimization and reboot that does it. But I don't recall previous updates making it feel this much snappier.

[bacchus]

Install went fine for me...but I think I found something that 10.1.3 broke.

I have been using an external lcd with my Tibook for the last few weeks.

Since I did the upgrade last night I cant shut the lid of the Ti and still use the external monitor, whereas before it worked perfectly...

Any have any ideas?

Bacchus

[Don Pickett]

Don't know if 10.1.3 turned on window compression, but it didn't turn it off - I had enabled it with Moki's hack.

Ran the acid test last night - Oni. It's definitely faster. I was able to run well in 800x600, when before 640x480 was as good as it got. When I can run 1024x768, things will be back to how they were in 9.2.2.

[Don Pickett]

Originally posted by bacchus:
<STRONG>Install went fine for me...but I think I found something that 10.1.3 broke.

I have been using an external lcd with my Tibook for the last few weeks.

Since I did the upgrade last night I cant shut the lid of the Ti and still use the external monitor, whereas before it worked perfectly...

Any have any ideas?

Bacchus</STRONG>

Don't know if this helps, but saw in the tech notes that video mirroring is turned on by default in 10.1.3.

[bacchus]

Yah i saw that as well, so i checked my system prefs, and with both the Ti lid open and my lcd on its not mirrored ( though i did turn it on to try it, worked fine ), i have dual monitors going.

Strangest thing.

bacchus

[normang]

Should the Software updater have to tell people not do other things and shut down running Apps before you install new software and not do things while the Installer is running?

Should Software Update do like virtually every other installer that you've probably ever run, where it closes all the running applications and prevents you from running other apps while you install?

To me its common sense, your installing an OS Update. You should be patient and just let the updater do its work, reboot and then resume working. Perhaps you can save yourself a headache later because the chances of the install failing to me would drop signifcantly. I think I've seen a couple dozen failed install messages around the net merely because they tried to do other stuff while installing an OS Update...

[asxless]

Originally posted by dscottbuch:
<STRONG>After installing 10.1.3 tried out the virtual switch network sharing on VPC 5.0. The good news is that it no longer seems to kernal panic with an Airport connection. The bad news is that it doesn't seem to see the network. Everything is fine with a hardwire connection.</STRONG>

There is a well documented bug in Apple's OS X 10.1.x AirPort drivers (or firmware) that disables ALL AirPort networking on a Mac running OS X + AirPort + VPC 5.0.1 + Virtual Switch when the Virtual Machine is active UNLESS the Mac is the ONLY wireless client of the wireless base station. BTW you can restore AirPort network connectivity by shuting down the VPC VM and turning AirPort off/on.

asxless in iLand

[OverclockedHomoSapien]

i have it so when i clikc on the finder in teh dock, it opens up a brand spanking new finder window, with 3 columns (set to custom width), with my home folder being the active directory. Maybe one out of every 15 or 20 times I click on teh finder icon, it doesnt do my settings right. The columsn are set to their standard length (so that about four and a half columns show). It always happens right after a restart / logout. That's why I noticed it right away after the update.

Same here.

No, this update is not any faster than 10.1.2 on my G4 400 agp powermac.

[WizOSX]

I use a sequence of "real world" operations that I run and time each time I change anything on either of my Macs. These are the sorts of things that I do a lot (booting the machine, MS Office v.X operations, Canvas operations, resizing windows--all native OS X stuff). The only difference in speed that I was able to detect was in starting up applications on my Ti 550. For example, MS word v.X came up in slightly over 2 seconds rather than 3 seconds on 10.1.2. Within Office apps, anything that called a new "sub-program," like insert picture or insert equation editor equation, was also faster.