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Jan 29, 2008, 09:52 PM
 
I recorded some high definition footage. I edited it and now it's sitting in iMovie. Here is my question: I want to watch this my HD footage via AppleTV.

I selected SHARE, then iTUNES while in iMovie. (because AppleTV only sync's to iTunes)
Once in that screen i selected the largest format which is 960x540 available.

Now it's on my AppleTV, but the quality is NOT high definition.

My next thought was to export it as a quicktime movie using H.264 at 1920x1080. This created a huge file which i saved to my desktop. then i dragged it into iTunes. AppleTV, however, cannot sync it.

So how do i get HD footage onto AppleTV? Am i not selecting something? 960x540 can't be the best quality you can get on AppleTV; right?
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Jan 29, 2008, 10:17 PM
 
The AppleTV doesn't support 1080. 720 is the maximum. Of course you knew this already.
     
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Jan 30, 2008, 12:33 AM
 
And may I add that 720 on Apple TV looks absolutely stunning.

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Jan 30, 2008, 08:54 AM
 
What is the resolution i want to select for 720p?

720x? I don't see an option for 720.
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Jan 30, 2008, 09:16 AM
 
Apple tv does support 1080i. Would suggest you wait until the new software comes out. Not sure if its a limitation from itunes but have seen people complaining on apples support boards about large files not streaming or syncing. Maybe when the new update will address this. Here are the specs from apple: Apple - Apple TV - Tech Specs
showing 1280x720 support.
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Jan 30, 2008, 09:30 AM
 
if apple supports 1080 by releasing an update....great
but if not, how do i format my movies to 720?

The largest AUTO setting is 960
so i'll have to manually select it. but i'm not sure exactly what to select.
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Jan 30, 2008, 10:08 AM
 
Originally Posted by bearcatrp View Post
Apple tv does support 1080i.
1080i is only one-fourth the size of 1080p.

HD resolutions supported are 720i, 720p and 1080i.

AppleTV's maximum supported size is 720p.

All of these refer to the number of lines (vertical resolution), with the "p" meaning "progressive" - every line in sequence, and the "i" meaning "interlaced" - only every other line.
     
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Jan 30, 2008, 10:15 AM
 
I can't imagine why anyone would choose 1080i over 720p. The 'p' is far more valuable than the '1080' (IMO)
     
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Jan 30, 2008, 10:47 AM
 
On my apple tv, I have the choice of 1080i, 720p and lower resolutions. Are you saying 1080i is not HD?

After reading this article, a little more confused about 1080i vs 1080p. Home Theater: 1080i v. 1080p
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Jan 30, 2008, 11:03 AM
 
Originally Posted by bearcatrp View Post
On my apple tv, I have the choice of 1080i, 720p and lower resolutions. Are you saying 1080i is not HD?

After reading this article, a little more confused about 1080i vs 1080p. Home Theater: 1080i v. 1080p
The connection (HDMI or component) to your TV supports 1080i. That does not mean that the Apple TV _plays_ native 1080i/p content!

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Jan 30, 2008, 11:08 AM
 
Interesting article from Wired Wired Test: 720p, 1080i ... What Does It All Mean?
Maybe the update will address this with the HD movie rentals coming.
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Jan 30, 2008, 11:49 AM
 
Originally Posted by bearcatrp View Post
On my apple tv, I have the choice of 1080i, 720p and lower resolutions. Are you saying 1080i is not HD? [/url]
BOTH are high-definition.

But 1080i has 540 lines (interlaced), while 720p has 720 lines.
     
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Jan 30, 2008, 01:45 PM
 
720p looks better, but 1080i can be upconverted to 1080p at half the framerate if the original source is progressive at a low enough framerate. This is the case with all movies converted from analog film (which is almost all movies). If your TV doesn't support 1080p, pick 720p. It is hard enough to see the difference to 1080p unless the TV is huge.

720i is not an official format, and never has been. 720p and 1080i are the only broadcast formats. Additionally, 1080p is supported by Bluray and HD-DVD. In resolution terms, 720p=1280*720. 1080p=1920*1080.
     
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Jan 30, 2008, 01:55 PM
 
^ Interesting info.

However, it is pretty much moot, since the AppleTV (what was asked about) only supports up to 720p or 1080i.
     
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Jan 30, 2008, 02:23 PM
 
AppleTV does not support playing 1080i (or p) movies.
     
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Jan 30, 2008, 03:08 PM
 
Originally Posted by TETENAL View Post
AppleTV does not support playing 1080i (or p) movies.
960 by 540 *IS* 1080i.

Edit: No, it's not - 1080i still expects 1920 horizontal samples.
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Jan 30, 2008, 07:16 PM
 
you kinda dogged my question:
when in iMovie, what settings should i export my movie for if i want 720p?

?x?
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Jan 30, 2008, 08:18 PM
 
Apple TV supports connecting to your TV over HDMI at 720p or 1080i, but it only supports decoding 720p videos (just stretches/scales/interlaces to get to 1080i).

Export at 1280x720 from iMovie if your source is HDV; if your source is regular DV, you may as well export at 720x480.
     
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Jan 30, 2008, 09:05 PM
 
Originally Posted by analogika View Post
BOTH are high-definition.

But 1080i has 540 lines (interlaced), while 720p has 720 lines.
1080i has 1080 lines.

The picture is drawn every other line in one pass, then the other lines are drawn in the next pass.

1080p also has 1080 lines.

The picture is drawn in one pass.

Where did you get the idea that 1080i only has 540 lines?
     
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Jan 30, 2008, 10:38 PM
 
As you suggested, while in iMovie i clicked SHARE>EXPORT USING QUICKTIME>and then under options i selected 1280x720. I then dragged the converted movie to iTunes and synced the AppleTV. Still won't recognize the video. so if you are saying that 1280x720 is 720p and Apple TV supports it.....i can clearly tell you that it doesn't.

So it seems that 960x540 is the largest that AppleTV supports and therefore cannot play 720p or higher (HD) stuff.

EDIT REGARDING THE ABOVE: I was converting the above movie to a QUICKTIME MOVIE. So now i must assume that Apple TV cannot open .MOV files.

If i select SHARE>EXPORT USING QUICKTIME>and i select EXPORT TO APPLE TV.....i am not given option to change the resolution. But it does make it .M4V Which does play....but again, i don't have the option to get the resolution up from 960x540
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Jan 30, 2008, 11:03 PM
 
Sounds like you have a 30fps source instead of a 24fps source. Your Apple products are performing as specified.

Video formats supported
* H.264 and protected H.264 (from iTunes Store): Up to 5 Mbps, Progressive Main Profile (CAVLC) with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps (maximum resolution: 1280 by 720 pixels at 24 fps, 960 by 540 pixels at 30 fps) in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats
     
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Jan 31, 2008, 12:51 AM
 
Followed your suggestion. Saved it as a .MOV using 1280x720 at 24fps.
Still doesn't work.

hmmm.
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Did you comply with all the H.264 option limitations that Apple TV imposes?
     
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Jan 31, 2008, 09:57 PM
 
u try and let me know if it works for you.
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Jan 31, 2008, 10:00 PM
 
One possibility, try sticking your movie into iTunes, right-click on it and select "Convert selection for Apple TV".
     
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Jan 31, 2008, 10:09 PM
 
What kind of camcorder did you record in HD? Are you able to hook up your camcorder to your tv and watch it in HD?
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Jan 31, 2008, 10:09 PM
 
Yes, i can convert anything to play in iTunes or AppleTV.
But it will reduce the resolution.

If AppleTV supports 720p, i want to know how to save to 720p
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Feb 1, 2008, 12:33 AM
 
Ok. Try PSPVideo9 then. It has 720p settings for the Apple TV.

Other than that, I think you're hooped. I've never had any luck converting manually for the ATV.
     
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Can Handbrake convert .mov or .dv? If so just export from iMovie in a one of these with not compression and then move to Handbrake using tv setting.

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When i'm in iMovie and i go to export it, my options of formats are:
Movie to 3G
Movie to AppleTV
Movie to AVI
Movie to DV Stream
Movie to FLC
Movie to Image Sequence
Movie to MPEG-4
Movie to Quicktime Movie
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Feb 1, 2008, 09:28 AM
 
Another software to try is mpeg streamclip from Squared 5 - MPEG Streamclip video converter for Mac and Windows . If your able to convert to mov file, this can convert from that to mpeg4 or other formats. You need to buy a codec from apple to here voice but wouldn't do it until you know the video quality your looking for works. Just a suggestion.
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Feb 1, 2008, 10:55 AM
 
I must be confusing all you boys. Must be a female thing.

I can play lots of formats on my AppleTV. .MOV - no problem, .mpg-4 No problem (so long as the resolutions are small)

Want to know is what the 'settings' are for 720p.
What resolution size do i select. That's my problem. If someone said to you, hey, you want to save that in 720p...that means you want to use X by X resolution.

I was under the belief that AppleTV can currently play 720p
but i don't know what size or settings to select to get 720p.

I tried 1080 x 720 (as someone said that was 720p)....but it didn't work. Tried a few other resolutions too.

I wish there was a button that said, Export to AppleTV for 720p
and in two weeks, hopefully there will be a button that says Export to AppleTV for 1080i. As it will support that format soon.

But just selecting Export to .MOV or MPEG doesn't tell me much.
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Feb 1, 2008, 11:51 AM
 
1280*[email protected] is 720p (NTSC). Sorry, can't really give you any more detailed info, as I don't have an AppleTV to play with.
     
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Originally Posted by mduell View Post
Apple TV supports connecting to your TV over HDMI at 720p or 1080i, but it only supports decoding 720p videos (just stretches/scales/interlaces to get to 1080i).

Export at 1280x720 from iMovie if your source is HDV; if your source is regular DV, you may as well export at 720x480.
How is AppleTV's 480p upscaling?

Cuz if it's only so-so, then it might make more sense to export 480p material at 720p.
     
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Moved to AppleTV forum.

I've no idea how this survived in the OS X forum as long as it did. I must've been asleep at the wheel.
     
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we squeezed one by you. hehe
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So it doesn't play on AppleTV if you export with quicktime, movie to mpeg-4, video format = h.264, image size 1280 x 720, frame rate = 24? That seems to fit the AppleTV specs.
     
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doesn't play for me.
waiting for someone else to try and verify.
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Originally Posted by AppleGirl1990 View Post
I must be confusing all you boys. Must be a female thing.

I can play lots of formats on my AppleTV. .MOV - no problem, .mpg-4 No problem (so long as the resolutions are small)

Want to know is what the 'settings' are for 720p.
What resolution size do i select. That's my problem. If someone said to you, hey, you want to save that in 720p...that means you want to use X by X resolution.

I was under the belief that AppleTV can currently play 720p
but i don't know what size or settings to select to get 720p.

I tried 1080 x 720 (as someone said that was 720p)....but it didn't work. Tried a few other resolutions too.

I wish there was a button that said, Export to AppleTV for 720p
and in two weeks, hopefully there will be a button that says Export to AppleTV for 1080i. As it will support that format soon.

But just selecting Export to .MOV or MPEG doesn't tell me much.
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Ive got some HD footage on some of my tapes. I'll give it a whirl this weekend and report what I come up with.

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Thanks.
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No luck for me either.
I imported a 1 minute HD clip from my Sony HDR-HC1 at full 1920x1080 resolution with iMovie '08.
Tried exporting via:
iMovie -Share-iTunes for tv
iMovie - Export Using Quicktime- 1280x720, H.264, AAC Audio
Quicktime Pro - Standard tv preset.

Results:
Share-iTunes for tv-
Success but alas it is not 1280x720

Export Using Quicktime- 1280x720, H.264, AAC Audio-
Will not show up on tv

Export Full then Export from within Quicktime Pro using the standard tv preset.
Success but also not 1280x720

Even though it wouldn't retain the HD resolution(which it totally should) I honestly could not tell the difference between the Quicktime Pro exported tv setting clip and the raw camera hooked up to my 42" Pioneer HD plasma.

It looked incredible.

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Originally Posted by swiz View Post
Export Using Quicktime- 1280x720, H.264, AAC Audio-
Will not show up on tv
Did you remember to set it to 24 fps?
     
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Originally Posted by BRussell View Post
Did you remember to set it to 24 fps?
Yip, I'm really confused on this one. There is a guy on the Apple forums who claims he imported HD DVD's at full 1920x1080 resolution to his Mac Pro and got them to export to 1280x720 and watches them on his tv.

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yes, a nice setup indeed.
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Apparently, Quicktime supports exporting 720p to the AppleTV
QuickTime gains 720P Apple TV high-definition export mode
     
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"In an undisclosed and largely unnoticed update to its QuickTime video playback and conversion software, Apple has quietly added an “Export to Apple TV” feature capable of creating high-definition videos viewable on the Apple TV accessory. Unlike Export to iPod, which currently creates sub-DVD-quality 640 by 480 videos, Export to Apple TV creates not only full DVD-quality 720 by 404 videos, but also 1280 by 720 videos. These videos are viewable in iTunes, but cannot be transferred directly via iTunes to an fifth-generation iPod.

The 1280 by 720 pixel resolution, also known as 720P, is one of several high-definition video formats supported by current televisions. Using the H.264 video compression codec, Apple TV supports 720P playback at 24 frames per second - the frame rate used by movies, not TV shows - at substantially higher bit rates than prior iPod- and iTunes-created videos. A 2.5-minute 720P sample we converted with QuickTime yielded a 4214kbps, 76-Megabyte file from a 5708kbps, 102-Megabyte original, suggesting that feature-length, 90-minute HD movies formatted for Apple TV will require around 3 Gigabytes of hard disk space."



Your link didn't work so i cut and paste. This was from an article in March 2007.
Regardless, two people have tried saving in 1080x720 (720p) at 24 frames and AppleTV won't accept it.
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Feb 3, 2008, 10:51 AM
 
Wait for the update, then try it.
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Have you tried VisualHub? That might convert the video since you can choose the output settings for .m4v files.
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Feb 3, 2008, 12:29 PM
 
The only other thing I can think of is to play around with the profile settings - there are options for baseline and main profiles I believe.

I have a bunch of home videos in 720p, and will be picking up an AppleTV soon. So I hope you all get this figured out.
     
 
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