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cwkmacuser · Mar 24, 2009, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

Well, that's because it's excellently cross-platform incompatible.

What do you mean by "cross-platform incompatible"? Firefox works on Mac, Windows, OS/2 Warp, and maybe even Linux. It IS cross-platform.

Spheric Harlot · Mar 24, 2009, 09:19 PM

And like most other cross-platform solutions, it's so intently cross-platform that it is inherently INcompatible with the things that actually differentiate the platforms and make their respective individual advantages.

Like the keychain.

Or complete drag-and-drop support (in earlier versions of Firefox).

TETENAL · Mar 25, 2009, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by cwkmacuser

Safari just gives you little messages like "You are not connected to the internet". Firefox gives you troubleshooting options and suggestions.

"Network diagnostics" – launchable from a button under the "You are not connected" message in Safari – gives you troubleshooting options and suggestions.

kylef · Mar 25, 2009, 10:50 AM

It's been a few weeks now. Recently, Safari has started to crash more often - which is quite annoying! However apart from this my usage of it has been practically flawless. A few tiny problems such as links not hovering correctly but nothing overly annoying. With Glims I've sorted out all my tab options exactly the way I need to. It couldn't be any more minimalist after a bit of customization, but it does everything that I need.

I can't wait to see the next release with all its fixes.

Chuckit · Mar 25, 2009, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

And like most other cross-platform solutions, it's so intently cross-platform that it is inherently INcompatible with the things that actually differentiate the platforms and make their respective individual advantages.

Like the keychain.

Or complete drag-and-drop support (in earlier versions of Firefox).

And custom keyboard shortcuts, which are like the most awesome thing ever.

CharlesS · Mar 25, 2009, 01:13 PM

Huh? Setting custom shortcuts in the Keyboard and Mouse preference pane (assuming that's what you're referring to) works fine with Firefox.

TETENAL · Mar 25, 2009, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Huh? Setting custom shortcuts in the Keyboard and Mouse preference pane (assuming that's what you're referring to) works fine with Firefox.

No, it doesn't. If you think it does, then actually try to use the keyboard shortcuts.

msuper69 · Mar 25, 2009, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Okay, this is interesting... right now Safari 4 is giving me a 5-second lag when scrolling or moving a window. I'm not exaggerating here - I do a two-finger scroll on the trackpad, the window scrolls a full five seconds later. Dragging the window causes it to lag five seconds behind the mouse.

The really weird thing is that scrolling using the page-up and page-down keys is instantaneous. Scrolling via any other method, though - two fingers on the trackpad, the arrow keys, clicking the scroll-bar with the mouse - causes the five second delay. Other functions, such as opening and closing new windows or tabs and visiting websites is just like normal. Dragging tabs around is also normal, and resizing windows is normal - but drag or scroll a window, and it sits there for five seconds. Weird, huh?

I'm sure that quitting and relaunching Safari will fix this, but still - so much for Safari 4 being fast.

edit: okay, it's still doing it even after relaunching Safari. I am not amused. Time to try a logout/login...

I've had exactly the same experience as you described. I'll give the next version of S4 a try.

- - e r i k - - · Mar 25, 2009, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by cwkmacuser

What's wrong with a browser that works on several platforms? That way, people can use multiple operating systems and run the same web browser.

It also mean it has to adhere to the lowest common denominators on those platforms. Meaning no niceties like the keychain on OS X.

bballe336 · Mar 25, 2009, 11:00 PM

After using safari 4 for a while I found it almost unusable in stock guise. I have it setup to look exactly like safari 3.

However it still does a few things I don't like:

First it freezes if there are animated GIFs as avatars on forums, and I have found no way to turn animation off.

Second, if I drag an item into the bookmarks bar (I always drag it as far to the right as possible) it will somehow put itself in front of the bookmark to the left of where I'm dragging and move that one out of the bar, so I have to adjust it, incredibly obnoxious.

cgc · Mar 25, 2009, 11:03 PM

I cannot use Safari in any version simply because it's lacking behind Firefox in javascript. For example, if I type something into the JS text editor in my online college class and go to another tab, in Safari all text is gone when I go back...in Firefox it stays. Simple decision for me.

While Safari is faster than FireFox in benchmarks, I can't tell the difference in day to day use. Both are very fast and much better than anything else out there. I had an Amiga 500 with sidecar CPU expansion that had a toggle switch on it. With it, I could switch on the fly from 7MHz to 28MHz. I couldn't really tell the difference unless I was playing a game (Gunship 2000 was the one)...the four times speed increase wasn't noticeable unless I had something that stressed my computer. Same thing with Safari and FireFox.

Chuckit · Mar 26, 2009, 03:18 AM

Originally Posted by cgc

I cannot use Safari in any version simply because it's lacking behind Firefox in javascript. For example, if I type something into the JS text editor in my online college class and go to another tab, in Safari all text is gone when I go back...in Firefox it stays. Simple decision for me.

What text editor is that? I've never seen behavior like that from Javascript in any browser. Are you certain it's Javascript (and not, for example, Java)?

- - e r i k - - · Mar 26, 2009, 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by bballe336

First it freezes if there are animated GIFs as avatars on forums, and I have found no way to turn animation off.

Second, if I drag an item into the bookmarks bar (I always drag it as far to the right as possible) it will somehow put itself in front of the bookmark to the left of where I'm dragging and move that one out of the bar, so I have to adjust it, incredibly obnoxious.

Safari 4 displays none of those behaviours here.

- - e r i k - - · Mar 26, 2009, 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by cgc

I cannot use Safari in any version simply because it's lacking behind Firefox in javascript. For example, if I type something into the JS text editor in my online college class and go to another tab, in Safari all text is gone when I go back...in Firefox it stays. Simple decision for me.

Never seen this either.

cgc · Mar 26, 2009, 10:01 AM

It's a Java, not JS app called EditLive! by Ephox. Try the demo.

Works in Safari and FF but when I switch tabs and go back in Safari all text is gone.

Mac User #001 · Mar 26, 2009, 11:21 AM

Java in Safari for me has always sucked when you go to a different tab.

Chuckit · Mar 26, 2009, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Mac User #001

Java ~~in Safari for me~~ has always sucked ~~when you go to a different tab~~.

Fixed.

hyteckit · Mar 26, 2009, 01:21 PM

Java on browser sucks! I have it turned off for years. Java is too heavy.

It's all AJAX for me with your choice of scripting language such as PHP.

- - e r i k - - · Mar 26, 2009, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by cgc

It's a Java, not JS app called EditLive! by Ephox. Try the demo.

Works in Safari and FF but when I switch tabs and go back in Safari all text is gone.

Well there you go, it's Java. Nonetheless it retains the text in it when I switch back and forth.

Sure you have the latest Java installed?

cgc · Mar 26, 2009, 08:30 PM

I do have the latest Java installed. I never looked into the version of EditLive my college uses versus what's currently the latest and it looks like my college version is older (much older). Irregardless, that version doesn't retain text when tabs are switched in Safari but it does work in FireFox. Here's a video to show what I'm talking about.

cwkmacuser · Mar 27, 2009, 01:54 AM

Well, I guess everyone here except me is addicted to Safari, so I will stop posting replies to this thread and let everyone else continue their conversation.

PLEASE DO NOT MISINTERPRET--THIS COMMENT IS NOT INTENDED AS AN INSULT!

0157988944 · Mar 27, 2009, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by cwkmacuser

Well, I guess everyone here except me is addicted to Safari, so I will stop posting replies to this thread and let everyone else continue their conversation.

PLEASE DO NOT MISINTERPRET--THIS COMMENT IS NOT INTENDED AS AN INSULT!

Though it is backhanded in some way. Otherwise, why post it?

cgc · Mar 29, 2009, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by cwkmacuser

Well, I guess everyone here except me is addicted to Safari, so I will stop posting replies to this thread and let everyone else continue their conversation.

PLEASE DO NOT MISINTERPRET--THIS COMMENT IS NOT INTENDED AS AN INSULT!

I'm not addicted to Safari...though it is very good I prefer FireFox 99% of the time.

- - e r i k - - · Mar 29, 2009, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by cwkmacuser

Well, I guess everyone here except me is addicted to Safari, so I will stop posting replies to this thread and let everyone else continue their conversation.

PLEASE DO NOT MISINTERPRET--THIS COMMENT IS NOT INTENDED AS AN INSULT!

Rather lame and backhanded. Comparing to rational software preference to addiction is both asinine and insulting to people who suffer real addiction.

Chuckit · Mar 30, 2009, 03:37 AM

Originally Posted by cwkmacuser

Well, I guess everyone here except me is addicted to Safari, so I will stop posting replies to this thread and let everyone else continue their conversation.

PLEASE DO NOT MISINTERPRET--THIS COMMENT IS NOT INTENDED AS AN INSULT!

I'm confused. This is a thread about Safari. I don't think talking about it here is a sign of any unhealthy attachment.

Nassifer · 04:07 PM

Is there a way to make the "Top Sites" in the new Safari your home screen, I kinda like the way it looks.

Abdi

Mac User #001 · Mar 31, 2009, 05:05 PM

Add

topsites://

as your homepage.

TETENAL · Apr 1, 2009, 06:04 AM

I think it would be much simpler to just select "Top Sites" from the popup menu for new windows and/or new tabs in the General preferences.

Mac User #001 · Apr 1, 2009, 01:08 PM

Oh, can that be done?

And here I am making things all complicated.

AppleGirl1990 · Apr 4, 2009, 04:42 PM

ok, i'm officially sick of Safari Beta 1
Where is BEta 2 ?

cwkmacuser · Apr 4, 2009, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

I'm confused. This is a thread about Safari. I don't think talking about it here is a sign of any unhealthy attachment.

Sorry, didn't mean to insult anyone or anything like that. I'm just pointing out the fact that I'm not a big fan of Safari, and it seems a lot of people are, so I just thought I'd step out of the way of everyone else who does like it. No rudeness intended.

Gavin · Apr 5, 2009, 02:26 AM

Originally Posted by cgc

EditLive ... doesn't retain text when tabs are switched in Safari but it does work in FireFox. Here's a video to show what I'm talking about.

Ahh.

Those aren't Tabs, that the Top Sites page - it loads a fresh copy of your page every time you use it. You are not going back to a tab, you are reloading the page. Turn off top sites or go to the edit thing and click the X to take your page out of it.

Chuckit · Apr 5, 2009, 04:02 AM

Yeah, the Top Sites listing is more like bookmarks.

OreoCookie · Apr 6, 2009, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by AppleGirl1990

ok, i'm officially sick of Safari Beta 1
Where is BEta 2 ?

Use Webkit Nighlies. Freshly brewed.

Dakar V · Apr 6, 2009, 09:20 AM

I didn't notice anyone mention this in the early going, but has anyone noticed the new behavior when you change the text size in the browser via command + or Command -?

TETENAL · Apr 6, 2009, 09:34 AM

Yes, we noticed, since we read the release notes.

Enable "Zoom Text Only" in the "View" menu to revert to the old behavior. Not sure though why anyone would prefer the old behavior.

Dakar V · Apr 6, 2009, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by TETENAL

Yes, we noticed, since we read the release notes.

We?

cgc · Apr 6, 2009, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar V

We?

And we read EULAS too when we're not playing Dungeons and Dragons (usually that's when our +5 Cape of Cheeto-ness is in the cleaners) </sarcasm>

No really, I never read all the release notes and typically wait until I see if there's a good or bad review (e.g. "it beeped up my Mac", or "it made my Mac Snappier").

Simon · Apr 6, 2009, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar V

We?

The royal "we" of course. You didn't know nobility loves these forums?

voodoo · Apr 7, 2009, 03:32 PM

The tabs and the stop/reload/loading thingy in the url bar must go. It's worse UI design than Microsoft joined with a random example of the Linux crowd would come up with.

Spheric Harlot · Apr 7, 2009, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by voodoo

The tabs and the stop/reload/loading thingy in the url bar must go. It's worse UI design than Microsoft joined with a random example of the Linux crowd would come up with.

The reload thing is a complete non-issue - pure muscle memory.

On Safari 3 at work, I find myself irritated because the damn reload icon isn't where it's supposed to be.

The tabs on top, I've got used to, but there are still the click-through/drag issues.

Chuckit · Apr 7, 2009, 08:02 PM

I can never switch tabs intentionally with the tabbed titlebar. I guess I accidentally move the mouse a tiny bit when I click (it doesn't move the window, but that's my only guess), so it doesn't register as a tab switch. So then I click again and the window minimizes.

Gavin · Apr 8, 2009, 10:43 PM

That's my main problem too. it can take 4 or 5 clicks to get the tab to switch.

- - e r i k - - · Apr 8, 2009, 11:05 PM

Weird. How long do you guys keep the mouse button depressed? Mine switches instantly.

Apr 12, 2009, 08:13 PM

iMac G5 - I'm having a decent experience with the Safari 4 beta. I'm finding it faster and more stable than the v3.x builds that I've used.

Still wish that Apple brought back the multi-colored Activity menu like they had in Safari 2.

rickey939 · Apr 14, 2009, 10:27 PM

Beta 2 will never be seen.

Jolt21 · Apr 15, 2009, 04:42 PM

anyone have a problem with putting a site in the Top Sites boxes? i visit espn.com a million times a day on purpose to try and make it show up, even delete the top sites i dont want, but it never does (the subpages will, but never the front page). How do you add a website manually to Top Sites?

Spheric Harlot · Apr 15, 2009, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Jolt21

anyone have a problem with putting a site in the Top Sites boxes? i visit espn.com a million times a day on purpose to try and make it show up, even delete the top sites i dont want, but it never does (the subpages will, but never the front page). How do you add a website manually to Top Sites?

Press the Edit button at the bottom, and then drag the link (or the little URL icon thingy) onto the spot you want it FROM ANOTHER WINDOW.

Needing to do it from another window is somewhat broken functionality, IMO, but at least it works. One of the things that should probably be fixed.

Don Pickett · Apr 20, 2009, 05:38 PM

Just uninstalled it. Got tired of all the bugs.

richwig83 · Apr 20, 2009, 07:08 PM

I installed it and removed it within about 5 mins.... too many bugs and the new interface is shoot!