Welcome to the MacNN Forums.

kobi · Nov 11, 2006, 03:13 AM

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...557842,00.html

Boy what a difference a Election can make.

It looks like Rummy and half the top military is in a bad spot.

Just look at the defendant list, it's huge.

I wonder how long it will be before George and Dick are charged with War Crimes? At the rate it's going; not long.

You reap what you sow.

Uncle Skeleton · Nov 11, 2006, 03:59 AM

Shhhh! Your helpping the TERRARISTS!

Kevin · Nov 11, 2006, 04:00 AM

No, this just goes further to show what the left is all about.

TheWOAT · Nov 11, 2006, 04:13 AM

So basically, Rummy and Co are not allowed to travel to Europe or outside the US... there is plenty to do in the lower 48, he wont stress about it.

Taliesin · Nov 11, 2006, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

No, this just goes further to show what the left is all about.

Eh, have you even bothered to read the article? It's not the left or any politicians at all that are seeking the filing of a war-crime-case against top-cadres of the US-administration.

It were iraqis that have asked a german court to pursue their charges against the high US-cadres because of the Abu-Ghraib-torturing.

They already did the same in 2004, but the german court refused then to pursue because a) Rumsfeld was still in political power and therefore legally immune, and b) because the court argued that the US would pursue the allegations on their own.

Now, Rumsfeld is not in power any more, and the US has proven not to be able and not willing to investigate against higher cadres regarding the Abu-Ghraib-torture-scandal, and so the german court saw enough justification to pursue the allegations of the iraqis.

Taliesin

marden · Nov 11, 2006, 05:59 AM

Of course this is nonsense. And it points out the folly of the US submitting to any international court which might have any jurisdiction over our actions. Imagine if there were only a frigging international court ruling that could make the global Caliphate a reality!

In a way, though, IF this action were able to force the Bush administration to share with the sillies around the world the rationale supporting our foreign policies I've been presenting here the past couple of weeks maybe the world would at least bitch at us more intelligently.

houstonmacbro · Nov 11, 2006, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by kobi

TIME.com: Exclusive: Charges Sought Against Rumsfeld Over Prison Abuse -- Page 1

Boy what a difference a Election can make.

It looks like Rummy and half the top military is in a bad spot.

Just look at the defendant list, it's huge.

I wonder how long it will be before George and Dick are charged with War Crimes? At the rate it's going; not long.

You reap what you sow.

let's not forget condi. she really needs to go and be indicted too.

marden · Nov 11, 2006, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by houstonmacbro

let's not forget condi. she really needs to go and be indicted too.

You are just a sexist and racist.

I don't really believe that. I was just trying it on for size. When some of the posters here accuse others of being xenophobic or Islamophobes it always makes me wonder how the accusers can say these things in good faith.

My conclusion, you have to really believe the accusation or else you are really seriously hating that person.

And if you hate others that strongly you must hate yourself to some degree.

houstonmacbro · Nov 11, 2006, 06:44 AM

first off, i am black. so me saying condi needs to go is not racist. is it?

lol

i do not hate condi, but i feel she needs to be held accountable for her actions or lack of.

marden · Nov 11, 2006, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by houstonmacbro

first off, i am black. so me saying condi needs to go is not racist. is it?

lol

i do not hate condi, but i feel she needs to be held accountable for her actions or lack of.

Do you think she's a Tomasina?

Doofy · Nov 11, 2006, 07:01 AM

Notice to Germany: You did not win the war, so mind your own business.

Sky Captain · Nov 11, 2006, 10:05 AM

Somoia was down right criminal in how it was handled.
We were mowing down women and children in the streets.
Yet no one seems to remember that.

ebuddy · Nov 11, 2006, 10:42 AM

Some have suggested that Clinton, Clark, and Albright should be wanted for war crimes too. These things never go anywhere.

- U.S. bombing of Radio Television Serbia, killing 16 media workers
- bombing of the Nis marketplace
- the targeting of petrochemical plants, causing toxic chemical waste to pour into the Danube River.
- bombing of Albanian refugees by the U.S.
- deliberate targeting of a civilian passenger train
- the bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade
- funding and arming the Kosovo Liberation Army
- U.S. interference in the Yugoslav elections in 2000

ebuddy · Nov 11, 2006, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by houstonmacbro

first off, i am black. so me saying condi needs to go is not racist. is it?

I'm perfectly able to accept that blacks can be racist against blacks. I've heard some of the most vitriolic of sentiments about "Uncle Toms" and the like when regarding any black individual who happens to have a (R) after their name. Now, to be clear I'm not accusing you of this, but being black does not mean you are somehow above being racist.

i do not hate condi, but i feel she needs to be held accountable for her actions or lack of.

Such as?

nath · Nov 11, 2006, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Doofy

Notice to Germany: You did not win the war, so mind your own business.

heh. I think I heard it was a group of constitutional lawyers from the US who instigated it. Probably ACLU aligned or something.

However, it would be hard to say that teh Coalition of the Willing have won this war. They certainly won the invasion, but victory was so fleeting as to make the distinction worth making.

Regardless, (and accepted, these kinds of lawsuits rarely go anywhere) it's probably fair to say that there are, for the first time, leaders in the US and the UK who are going to have to be very careful about where they fly to, once out of office.

Granted, this probably won't bother Rumsflid and Bush too much. But it will be interesting to see how Blair continues his messianic bid to save the world, without being able to visit various European capitals.

OT: Go Dems!! only gotta come up with some ideas now!

moodymonster · Nov 11, 2006, 12:52 PM

oh, someone please do Blair, go on, please, please get him

make him so he can't travel, that would be great

who knows what's gonna come out about this gov't in the next few years - Tories with young boys on Clapham common will pale in comparison. If the legal system in the UK isn't compromised (ha!) Blair should be in deep, deep water over lots of things, current Met Police investigations included.

moodymonster · Nov 11, 2006, 12:54 PM

thinking about, anyone see Blair get rattled during a recent press conference when pressed about the death penalty.

Gee-Man · Nov 11, 2006, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by houstonmacbro

let's not forget condi. she really needs to go and be indicted too.

Originally Posted by marden

You are just a sexist and racist.

Hmmm. Say, marden - haven't you got any original tricks to try these days?

Don't fall for it, houstonmacbro.

Powerbook · Nov 11, 2006, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

Notice to Germany: You did not win the war, so mind your own business.

"DON'T MENTION THE WAR!!"
Jeez! Didn't you guys learn anything in college?

PB.

davesimondotcom · Nov 11, 2006, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Gee-Man

Hmmm. Say, marden - haven't you got any original tricks to try these days?

Re-read marden's post. Seriously. I'll post a quote here so you don't have to look for it:

Originally Posted by marden

You are just a sexist and racist.

I don't really believe that. I was just trying it on for size. When some of the posters here accuse others of being xenophobic or Islamophobes it always makes me wonder how the accusers can say these things in good faith.

Besides, your cartoon could VERY easily be the arguing technique of a rabid liberal too. "Someone disagrees with me. They must be: stupid, racist, sexist, xenophobic, nationalistic, uninformed and a poopy head."

Both sides do it. If you don't get that, wake up.

Nicko · Nov 11, 2006, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Gee-Man

Hmmm. Say, marden - haven't you got any original tricks to try these days?

Don't fall for it, houstonmacbro.

Kevin · Nov 11, 2006, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Gee-Man

Hmmm. Say, marden - haven't you got any original tricks to try these days?

Don't fall for it, houstonmacbro.

Actually, I see this from both sides. A lot.

Lets get off that high horse of yours.

marden · Nov 11, 2006, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Gee-Man

Hmmm. Say, marden - haven't you got any original tricks to try these days?

Don't fall for it, houstonmacbro.

I was trying it on for size!

I am a racist and a sexist.

There. Let me be the first to be infracted for "offending" MYSELF!

marden · Nov 11, 2006, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Gee-Man

Hmmm. Say, marden - haven't you got any original tricks to try these days?
[IMG]http://www.workingforchange.com/webgraphics/wfc/TMW02-23-05./IMG]

Don't fall for it, houstonmacbro.

How funny is it that you'd bring up the subject of tricks?

TETENAL · Nov 11, 2006, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Taliesin

Now, Rumsfeld is not in power any more, and the US has proven not to be able and not willing to investigate against higher cadres regarding the Abu-Ghraib-torture-scandal, and so the german court saw enough justification to pursue the allegations of the iraqis.

No charges have been files yet, so no German court has dealt with this in any way whatsoever.

Nicko · Nov 11, 2006, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by TETENAL

No charges have been files yet, so no German court has dealt with this in any way whatsoever.

Well the guy is 74 so they better hurry up.

olePigeon · Nov 11, 2006, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by houstonmacbro

first off, i am black. so me saying condi needs to go is not racist. is it?

Of course! Condi was given away by the blacks along with Colin Powell during the 2004 Racial Draft. They covered it on Chappelle's Show.

So now it's reverse racism. Or something like that.

OreoCookie · Nov 11, 2006, 03:35 PM

However, I think the CIA agents who were conducting these extraordinary renditions (= kidnappings) would be well-advised not to visit Europe any time soon.

hyteckit · Nov 11, 2006, 03:38 PM

Speaking of racism.

OreoCookie - Black on the outside, white on the inside.

Doofy · Nov 11, 2006, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Powerbook

"DON'T MENTION THE WAR!!"
Jeez! Didn't you guys learn anything in college?

.

Nicko · Nov 11, 2006, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by hyteckit

Speaking of racism.

OreoCookie - Black on the outside, white on the inside.

Kevin · Nov 11, 2006, 04:11 PM

marden · Nov 11, 2006, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Nicko

Well the guy is 74 so they better hurry up.

Or, they might be in the delicious predickament of having a 74 year old guy pwn them!

marden · Nov 11, 2006, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by olePigeon

Of course! Condi was given away by the blacks along with Colin Powell during the 2004 Racial Draft. They covered it on Chappelle's Show.

So now it's reverse racism. Or something like that.

I just did a search and you have brought up or mentioned the term, "racial draft" five times more than any other single poster.

Congrats.

It reminds me of a child asking to hear the SAME bedtime story over and over and over and...

TELL ME A STORY DADDY (ISBN: 0340875593)
Kemp, Moira

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Sear...40875593&nsa=1

TheWOAT · Nov 11, 2006, 04:34 PM

Or Rumsfeld could give the ICC the middle finger while sippin' on maytays on a tropical beach, while surfing the internet checkin' out his stock portfolio, all after two rounds of golf.

Or he could fake his own death like Tupac. Dont test his 'gangsta'

marden · Nov 11, 2006, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Nicko

And what's your favorite method of eating them? Do you lick the creamy white stuff from the middle first? Or do you just put the whole thing in your mouth all at once?

OreoCookie · Nov 11, 2006, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Nicko

Cut out the chit-chat about fellow members!

davesimondotcom · Nov 11, 2006, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by OreoCookie

Cut out the chit-chat about fellow members!

I happen to like Oreos. I had some for breakfast. Dunked in milk.

You really are best in milk.

Dakar² · Nov 11, 2006, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by davesimondotcom

I happen to like Oreos. I had some for breakfast. Dunked in milk.

You really are best in milk.

Canniballllllllllllllllllll!

nath · Nov 11, 2006, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by moodymonster

thinking about, anyone see Blair get rattled during a recent press conference when pressed about the death penalty.

yeah...he wasn't expecting insistence like that from ITN!

Maybe from Channel 4, but it was good to see someone else push him a bit. It's not as if they could ban ITN from the press conferences, he should have persisted with it.

OreoCookie · Nov 11, 2006, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by davesimondotcom

I happen to like Oreos. I had some for breakfast. Dunked in milk.

You really are best in milk.

Don't tell me when I'm at my best …

(Yes, I know, I loooove milk!)

goMac · Nov 11, 2006, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by marden

Of course this is nonsense. And it points out the folly of the US submitting to any international court which might have any jurisdiction over our actions. Imagine if there were only a frigging international court ruling that could make the global Caliphate a reality!

Heaven forbid the US ever have to take responsibility for it's actions.

Kevin · Nov 11, 2006, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Heaven forbid the US ever have to take responsibility for it's actions.

ironknee · Nov 11, 2006, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by Gee-Man

Hmmm. Say, marden - haven't you got any original tricks to try these days?
[IMG]http://www.workingforchange.com/webgraphics/wfc/TMW02-23-05.jpg[/I

Don't fall for it, houstonmacbro.

wow...right on the nail

marden · Nov 11, 2006, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Heaven forbid the US ever have to take responsibility for it's actions.

Anyone who thinks there was all of this that happened in Iraq, the fact of the invasion and afterwards, due to greed or hegemony or the desire to own Iraq or because of only miscalculation or evil motives you are wrong.

You take responsibility for things you've done wrong.

The lack of success is the only thing the US must take responsibility for in this case.

And your insinuation is that we never own up to the other things we've done, however few they have been.

There are SOME Americans who would have us take responsibility for earthquakes and tsunami and when the sun doesn't shine that day and everything in between. For those posters I suggest they sit down and have a cookie and be sure to bite it. That should make you feel better about things.

marden · Nov 11, 2006, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by ironknee

wow...right on the nail

Propriety prevents me from telling you what I nailed.

aristotles · Nov 11, 2006, 08:06 PM

I have asked the Administrator to look into locking out posts of inline images in the political forums. They are usually used for immature Ad hominem arguments rather than to further constructive debate.

analogika · Nov 12, 2006, 06:04 AM

No.

Nicko · Nov 12, 2006, 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by aristotles

I have asked the Administrator to look into locking out posts of inline images in the political forums. They are usually used for immature Ad hominem arguments rather than to further constructive debate.

Oh get over yourself. This is web 2.0 - just be happy that people don't post crazy inline utube videos and have animated gifs as sigs like other forums allow.

aristotles · Nov 12, 2006, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Nicko

Oh get over yourself. This is web 2.0 - just be happy that people don't post crazy inline utube videos and have animated gifs as sigs like other forums allow.

Excuse me, but what do pictures of Cookies have to do with a rational discussion of politics by adults? Nothing.

If you are not an adult or cannot handle acting your age if you are one, don't let the door hit your arse on the way out because you are ruining the forum for the rest of us.

I also have to say that "web 2.0" has been has lost all meaning through over use. It used to refer to technologies such as AJAX. Do you see anyone using AJAX in their posts?