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May 24, 2004, 12:19 PM
 
Came across this on macupdate, think i'll be sticking to safari for the time being though...

http://hmdt-web.net/shiira/index-e.html
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May 24, 2004, 12:47 PM
 
Same here.
     
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May 24, 2004, 01:47 PM
 
looks good. I like the aqua better than brushed metal.

but why make another browser? I want better bookmark management though.
     
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May 24, 2004, 01:57 PM
 
What does Shiira mean?
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May 24, 2004, 02:02 PM
 
Originally posted by Developer:
What does Shiira mean?
That is answered on the site (switch to english if you don't read Japanese).
     
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May 24, 2004, 02:30 PM
 
Do we really need another Browser?
We have Safari, Omniweb, IE, TrailBlazer, Opera, Camino, Firefox, Mozilla, Netscape, Lynx,... have I forgotten something?

And now Shiira. It looks like an aquafied Safari to me. Really: If you want features, go Omniweb, if you want simplicity, go Safari and if you want crossplatform abilities go for a Mozilla flavour or Opera.

The Mac OS X world really needs no more browser alternatives.

On the other hand: Live and let live. :-)
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May 24, 2004, 04:46 PM
 
You forgot iCab.
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May 24, 2004, 05:05 PM
 
the whole thing behind shiira is that they are basically making a better open source safari


well thats what they say on the website anyways. I wonder if they will actually include "copy image location" in safari 2
     
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May 24, 2004, 05:15 PM
 
Originally posted by HOMBRESINIESTRO:
The Mac OS X world really needs no more browser alternatives.
I totally agree.
We don't really need more browsers - we just need an improvement of the ones we already have.


     
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May 24, 2004, 05:17 PM
 
Originally posted by Wickedkitten:
the whole thing behind shiira is that they are basically making a better open source safari
You mean Camino with Webcore? Okay, I admit, we don't have that variation yet!
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May 24, 2004, 05:25 PM
 
I just checked it out and it only weighs in at 1.2 megs due to using Panther's built-in WebKit for rendering.

Pros:
  • It loads my University's portal without complaining about Java not being installed (Mozilla, Camino, and Firefox all complain that Java is not installed. Checking and unchecking the "Enable Java" radio button in preferences fixes it strangely enough).
  • The interface is very quick and tabs can be manipulated quickly by dragging and dropping to reorder them.
  • Very complete history and preferences.
  • Most of the completeness and compatibility of Safari due to WebKit utilization.
Cons:
  • Editing this post in Shiira makes system response a little laggy when the looping GIFs are visible. Camino is worse, though. I was ready to throw my computer out the window the other day when Camino started acting up when I was trying to edit some text in a textarea on a reply page. Man was I steamed.
  • Bookmark management leaves something to be desired.
  • Tabbing from form elements does not work, Shiira puts the input focus to the location bar.
This browser's actually not half bad. I'd say it kicks the crap out of Camino. I wonder what's wrong with it... Can anyone find anything wrong with it?
( Last edited by [APi]TheMan; May 25, 2004 at 01:18 PM. )
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May 24, 2004, 08:10 PM
 
Hmm... if this just like a "shell" for safari or an actual browser.?
BTW: It is really nice at this stage.
     
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May 24, 2004, 08:36 PM
 
There seems to be a lack of clarity about what exactly Shiira is. It is not just a "shell" for Safari it's a completely different application. However, it uses the same WebKit rendering that Safari uses, so a Web page in Shiira will generally have exactly the same appearance as the same page in Safari. The rest of the browser appears to be custom-made.
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May 24, 2004, 08:41 PM
 
Thank you, it made it clear. It is really nice, needs some more work though.
     
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May 24, 2004, 09:01 PM
 
More web browsers? Bring em on. If someone wants to do it, then we all benefit. It just encourages innovation and provides more outlets for new ideas.

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May 24, 2004, 09:51 PM
 
To anyone who has downloaded it, does it have better cookie management than Safari? I've been using Camino for a while mainly for that reason.
I do not like those green links and spam.
I do not like them, Sam I am.
     
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May 24, 2004, 10:39 PM
 
Originally posted by Macola:
To anyone who has downloaded it, does it have better cookie management than Safari? I've been using Camino for a while mainly for that reason.
It has the same three options Safari has for accepting cookies. It allows you to show and remove any cookies you want, or remove them all at once, and lastly it allows for removal of all cookies when you quit the app.
     
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May 25, 2004, 12:31 AM
 
Originally posted by kman42:
More web browsers? Bring em on. If someone wants to do it, then we all benefit. It just encourages innovation and provides more outlets for new ideas.

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Well said. The more the merrier.
     
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May 25, 2004, 01:29 AM
 
Wow, rearrangeable tabs like Adium (sort of)!
     
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May 25, 2004, 03:45 AM
 
Originally posted by mindwaves:
Wow, rearrangeable tabs like Adium (sort of)!
Yeah, they're not as cool. But the nature of stuff that's "not as cool" is such that they're still... cool!
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May 25, 2004, 05:36 AM
 
Spell checking?
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May 25, 2004, 08:23 AM
 
I'm rather liking it. It has its shortcomings as they all do. Even though it uses WebKit as Safari does I swear it is loading pages faster (maybe it is just displaying the pages faster?).

I say the more the merrier. Since when is having more options a bad thing?
     
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May 25, 2004, 11:13 AM
 
I just noticed a weird bug when clicking pictures on .Mac picture websites. Click a picture to be enlarged and the window will open twice with a little visual glitch to suggest something fishy, but only appear to have opened one window. Check here for example: http://homepage.mac.com/jamester/PhotoAlbum33.html
Originally posted by GENERAL_SMILEY:
Spell checking?
Nope.

edit: Basically, if you like Safari then you should switch to Shiira because it's essentially the same thing plus the super sweet movable tabs.
( Last edited by [APi]TheMan; May 25, 2004 at 11:42 AM. )
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May 25, 2004, 02:13 PM
 
Originally posted by [APi]TheMan:
edit: Basically, if you like Safari then you should switch to Shiira because it's essentially the same thing plus the super sweet movable tabs.
Plus, it's open-source, so if there's some little thing that bugs you about the interface, you can tweak it.
     
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May 25, 2004, 06:13 PM
 
Originally posted by HOMBRESINIESTRO:
Do we really need another Browser?
We have Safari, Omniweb, IE, TrailBlazer, Opera, Camino, Firefox, Mozilla, Netscape, Lynx,... have I forgotten something?

And now Shiira. It looks like an aquafied Safari to me. Really: If you want features, go Omniweb, if you want simplicity, go Safari and if you want crossplatform abilities go for a Mozilla flavour or Opera.

The Mac OS X world really needs no more browser alternatives.

On the other hand: Live and let live. :-)
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May 26, 2004, 02:39 AM
 
Originally posted by Holigen:
Yup, Links.
What's the difference between Lynx and Links? They're both text-based browser as far as I remember, no?
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May 26, 2004, 03:18 PM
 
Lynx ignores most layout cues in HTML, so sites with complex tables/frames/etc aren't all that useful. While Lynx is basically a text-based interface, Links is more like a GUI for character-based displays (sort of like old DOS-based pseudo-windowing systems on the PC), and does an impressive job of displaying sites with complicated layouts.
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May 27, 2004, 01:21 PM
 
Well, it's definitely somewhat buggy (and seems to suffer the same performence losses as OmniWeb when there's a lot of animated GIF's on the page), and missing a few key keyboard shortcuts (such as command-right arrow to go forward (though command-left arrow works fine ) and command-shift-arrows to switch between tabs) but other than that, I like it much more than Safari, although I do have to laugh at using a browswer called Mahi-Mahi.

Definitely nice that it's open-source though. I think I'll play with it a bit.

For now (that is, until OW doesn't eat up a GB of HD space an hour consistantly), it's my default browser.

Edit: n/m about command-right arrow not working...

Also, the performence loss with a lot of gif's isn't quite as bad as I thought it was. But geez, does it need a spell-checker.
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May 27, 2004, 02:08 PM
 
Originally posted by GeeYouEye:
Well, it's definitely somewhat buggy (and seems to suffer the same performence losses as OmniWeb when there's a lot of animated GIF's on the page), and missing a few key keyboard shortcuts (such as command-right arrow to go forward (though command-left arrow works fine ) and command-shift-arrows to switch between tabs) but other than that, I like it much more than Safari, although I do have to laugh at using a browswer called Mahi-Mahi.
Actually, I just didn't look at the menus well enough. Shiira uses Command-{ and Command-} to go back and forth between tabs, just like Camino.

But geez, does it need a spell-checker.
Did you get the latest build out of CVS? I sent them a patch to fix some of the spelling and grammatical errors a few days ago. Some of the stuff should still be reworded, but at least there should be less "all your base are belong to us" in there now...

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May 28, 2004, 06:56 PM
 
Originally posted by [APi]TheMan:
edit: Basically, if you like Safari then you should switch to Shiira because it's essentially the same thing plus the super sweet movable tabs.
Complete with ButtAssUglyIcons...
     
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May 29, 2004, 05:00 AM
 
Originally posted by lngtones:
Complete with ButtAssUglyIcons...
Just download/install new ones then. They have a few on that site, including some Safari-type ones.
     
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May 31, 2004, 03:46 PM
 
It has a spell checker, same as any Cocoa app (check spelling, check spelling as you type, and the other one i don't remember). It's just only available from a contextual menu in the text box, rather than from the Edit menu as is normal.
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Jun 6, 2004, 12:11 AM
 
I think this browser has a big potential.

I might contribute code if I have time...

I think I might adopt it as main main browser (sick & tired of Camino crashing).

Only negative comment: the icons suck very very very very badly. Yuck. I hide 'em all.
     
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Jun 6, 2004, 02:26 AM
 
Very good browser.
     
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Jun 6, 2004, 02:32 AM
 
Originally posted by ambush:
I think this browser has a big potential.

I might contribute code if I have time...

I think I might adopt it as main main browser (sick & tired of Camino crashing).

Only negative comment: the icons suck very very very very badly. Yuck. I hide 'em all.
You can dl other icons to get rid of the nasty default ones.
     
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Heh... I must be the only one who actually likes them
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Originally posted by superfula:
You can dl other icons to get rid of the nasty default ones.
Got a link to any good ones?
     
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Jun 6, 2004, 02:14 PM
 
Originally posted by ambush:
Got a link to any good ones?
http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf-...shiira%20icons

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Jun 11, 2004, 12:03 PM
 
I like it, fast, stable and customizable.
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Aug 12, 2004, 10:05 AM
 
Shiira is the fastest browser on my 933. Makes the upgrade to 10.3 even better

What makes it so fast? WebKit integration?
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Aug 12, 2004, 11:50 AM
 
For what it's worth, I just had to create a new icon for it so I threw this one together if anyone wants to use it:



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Aug 12, 2004, 12:01 PM
 
Originally posted by Chinasaur:
What makes it so fast? WebKit integration?
It's integrated with WebKit and it's pretty simple outside of that, so there isn't a lot of clutter taking up resources.
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