[lpkmckenna]

CBC: Wilkins slams Day for questioning U.S. on Arar

I have a few words for you, Mr Wilkins: go yourself.

Parliament apologized to Arar and the government has been asking Washington to remove him from a watch list that prevents him from travelling to the U.S., despite being cleared in Canada.

However, the U.S. has refused to do so and has not explained why.

We already know why: the US isn't prepared to admit it completely up when it sent a Canadian citizen to Syria to be tortured.

The ambassador reiterated that the U.S. found its own reasons to keep Arar on the watch list.

Translation: we'd prefer to ignore this whole affair rather than admit a mistake.

[Railroader]

I gotta say, I agree with Wilkins on this one:

Originally Posted by article

"It's a little presumptuous for him [Day] to say who the United States can and cannot allow into our country," Wilkins told reporters Wednesday.

Kind of like a few other Canadians in here.

[lpkmckenna]

Oh sure, and American officials have never complained about who gets let into Canada? Remember this?

from The Washington Times:

For years, our intelligence services have warned and even begged Canadian officials to do something about its dangerous open immigration policies. Immigration policies that continually allow highly suspicious people into Canada with a free shot at the United States.

U.S. politicians from both sides of the aisle have joined with U.S. law enforcement personnel to ask Canada to address this growing security threat. In response, Canadian politicians from the left have basically said, "Drop dead." We may yet. And how tragic it would be if the deaths of thousands of innocent Americans came at the hands of a terrorist that Canada willingly allowed into their country.

What ing hypocrisy.

[Railroader]

It would be in Canada's best interest to listen to US intelligence services.

[rjenkinson]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

It would be in Canada's best interest to listen to US intelligence services.

it might be, if they provided any reasons or evidence. but in this case they aren't.

-r.

[Mastrap]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

It would be in Canada's best interest to listen to US intelligence services.

They do - the same way the US listens to the Canadian intelligence service. And then both of our countries get to make their own decisions, just as it should be.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by rjenkinson 

it might be, if they provided any reasons or evidence. but in this case they aren't.

-r.

Originally Posted by Mastrap 

They do - the same way the US listens to the Canadian intelligence service. And then both of our countries get to make their own decisions, just as it should be.

And there is where it all lies, you two are very reasonable. The OP resorts to name calling and profanity laced insults. Don't you guys have a hard time with that? Not that I expect him to change, but he's actin just like the people he's criticizing.

[Zarqawi's Eye]

Canada, I will gift you with my wisdom. Hearken ye linfidels!

You suckle from the nipple of security provided by The Great Satan, while your own citizens' flatulence feeds a freak show bacterial culture that is your government and your immigration policies. If you were wise, you would harden your hearts to the inflow of Islamic militants and extremists, who choose Canada for its lenient refugee laws and welfare state.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna 

We already know why: the US isn't prepared to admit it completely up when it sent a Canadian citizen to Syria to be tortured.

You forget that some of the up intelligence on Arar came from the RCMP. ie. Canada is partially responsible for US's actions to Arar.

This reminds me of the incident encountered by some of my friends in university on a trip to Haiti. They included Canadians, US citizens, and somebody with a passport from Asia IIRC. They went from Montreal to Haiti to volunteer, but some moron in Canada warned the Haiti government that they couldn't vouch for this volunteer group. So when they arrived in Haiti, they were detained. Repeated calls to the Canadian consulate was met with a deafening silence. Finally, an American in the group called the US consulate, and all was then sorted out.

Yes I digress, but I'm just pointing out that Canadian intelligence agencies are sometimes completely out-to-lunch, and sometimes mistreatment of Canadians in other countries is directly due to Canadian intelligence agencies being so out-to-lunch.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Eug 

You forget that some of the up intelligence on Arar came from the RCMP. ie. Canada is partially responsible for US's actions to Arar.

This reminds me of the incident encountered by some of my friends in university on a trip to Haiti. They included Canadians, US citizens, and somebody with a passport from Asia IIRC. They went from Montreal to Haiti to volunteer, but some moron in Canada warned the Haiti government that they couldn't vouch for this volunteer group. So when they arrived in Haiti, they were detained. Repeated calls to the Canadian consulate was met with a deafening silence. Finally, an American in the group called the US consulate, and all was then sorted out.

Yes I digress, but I'm just pointing out that Canadian intelligence agencies are sometimes completely out-to-lunch, and sometimes mistreatment of Canadians in other countries is directly due to Canadian intelligence agencies being so out-to-lunch.

Dude, I hope you have some flame-proof underwear on.

[Eug]

To be fair, I think it's clear that US intelligence agencies are often completely out-to-lunch as well. The whole Iraq WMD business is a prime example.

The point I was trying to make was that Canada shares blame in this Arar fiasco.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Eug 

To be fair, I think it's clear that US intelligence agencies are often completely out-to-lunch as well. The whole Iraq WMD business is a prime example.

The point I was trying to make was that Canada shares blame in this Arar fiasco.

Agreed.

Again... flame-resistant undies? Check.

[Snow-i]

Originally Posted by Eug 

To be fair, I think it's clear that US intelligence agencies are often completely out-to-lunch as well. The whole Iraq WMD business is a prime example.

The point I was trying to make was that Canada shares blame in this Arar fiasco.

I don't think thats a fair statement at all

[lpkmckenna]

Originally Posted by Eug 

You forget that some of the up intelligence on Arar came from the RCMP. ie. Canada is partially responsible for US's actions to Arar.

I haven't forgotten at all.

The Canadian gov't initiated an investigation on the how's and why's of this horrible screw-up, admitting fault, leading to the resignation of the RCMP commissioner, a formal apology to Arar from the gov't of Canada, and a compensation package. In other words: they owned up.

The US gov't has decided to do everything expect own up, including making up lies about "independent information."

My prediction: Arar's name will be cleared by the post-Bush administration. We know this administration will tell lies and shift blame about anything and everything.

[lpkmckenna]

Originally Posted by Zarqawi's Eye 

You suckle from the nipple of security provided by The Great Satan, while your own citizens' flatulence feeds a freak show bacterial culture that is your government and your immigration policies. If you were wise, you would harden your hearts to the inflow of Islamic militants and extremists, who choose Canada for its lenient refugee laws and welfare state.

Tiresome stupidity.

[Zarqawi's Eye]

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna 

Tiresome stupidity.

Personal attack.

You make Zarqawi sad.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Zarqawi's Eye 

Canada, I will gift you with my wisdom. Hearken ye linfidels!

You suckle from the nipple of security provided by The Great Satan, while your own citizens' flatulence feeds a freak show bacterial culture that is your government and your immigration policies. If you were wise, you would harden your hearts to the inflow of Islamic militants and extremists, who choose Canada for its lenient refugee laws and welfare state.

Good to see you back.

[lpkmckenna]

Originally Posted by Zarqawi's Eye 

Personal attack.

I didn't attack you personally. I said your post was stupid, and it was.

[Rumor]

Originally Posted by Zarqawi's Eye 

Personal attack.

You make Zarqawi sad.

*sniff* *sniff* Smells familiar...

[Eug]

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna 

I haven't forgotten at all.

The Canadian gov't initiated an investigation on the how's and why's of this horrible screw-up, admitting fault, leading to the resignation of the RCMP commissioner, a formal apology to Arar from the gov't of Canada, and a compensation package. In other words: they owned up.

The US gov't has decided to do everything expect own up, including making up lies about "independent information."

My prediction: Arar's name will be cleared by the post-Bush administration. We know this administration will tell lies and shift blame about anything and everything.

Translated: The US should have ignored Canada's intelligence on Arar in the first place.

Maybe the US felt it learned its lesson, and now are ignoring what we Canadians tell them.

[Zarqawi's Eye]

Originally Posted by Kevin 

Good to see you back.

All praise to Allah for my miraculous resurrection. Time in hell for my terrorist crimes and a brutal but justified death at the hands of righteous infidels does wonders for perspective.

[DBursey]

Originally Posted by Zarqawi's Eye 

Canada, I will gift you with my wisdom. Hearken ye linfidels!

You suckle from the nipple of security provided by The Great Satan, while your own citizens' flatulence feeds a freak show bacterial culture that is your government and your immigration policies. If you were wise, you would harden your hearts to the inflow of Islamic militants and extremists, who choose Canada for its lenient refugee laws and welfare state.

While the great satan's boundless buffoonery tears at the teat of global security, Canada forgoes your rancid milk in sending her troops to collect Taliban blood.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

It would be in Canada's best interest to listen to US intelligence services.

You mean the one that said Iraq had Nukes, no thank you, I think our track record is better.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Eug 

To be fair, I think it's clear that US intelligence agencies are often completely out-to-lunch as well. The whole Iraq WMD business is a prime example.

The point I was trying to make was that Canada shares blame in this Arar fiasco.

And Canada is trying to undo its mistake, which our government admitted to, the problem is now the US wont admit to anything and wont undo what they can to fix the problem. I don't think this is a blame game any more but its now a owning up and correcting game which the US refuses to do along side us.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Eug 

Translated: The US should have ignored Canada's intelligence on Arar in the first place.

Maybe the US felt it learned its lesson, and now are ignoring what we Canadians tell them.

Well I think the mistake was where they sent him personally, he should have been sent back to Canada.

[lpkmckenna]

Senator Leahy (D-Ver) and Senator Specter (R-Penn) are being given the runaround. U.S. Senators get few answers on Arar case.

Specter said he can't understand why the United States is still watching Arar and banning him from flights, while Canada is apologizing to him and paying him millions.

"Why are there different conclusions between the government of Canada and the government of the United States?" he asked. "We need to know more about the facts to determine that."

Both he and Leahy said they don't have enough information to say whether Arar should be on the watch list or not.

"We've been asking these questions for a very, very long time and we intend to continue to ask the questions," Leahy said.