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Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jan 31, 2003, 10:34 PM

Why did everything slow to a crawl? Is this another wicked fast CoCoa app?

WHY, WHY, WHY does it take about 3 minutes for iMovie 3 to render a simple picture from iPhoto before you add any effects to it?

Something is very wrong with this version.

CharlesS · Jan 31, 2003, 11:15 PM

What's wrong with it is that they completely rewrote a perfectly good app, thereby losing all optimizations, in accordance with many of their customers' wishes.

tikki · Jan 31, 2003, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by CharlesS:
What's wrong with it is that they completely rewrote a perfectly good app, thereby losing all optimizations, in accordance with many of their customers' wishes.

The next update will introduce the speed improvements.

At least that is my theory from seeing what iCal and iSync did

Adam Betts · 12:42 AM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Why did everything slow to a crawl? Is this another wicked fast CoCoa app?

WHY, WHY, WHY does it take about 3 minutes for iMovie 3 to render a simple picture from iPhoto before you add any effects to it?

Something is very wrong with this version.

If you REALLLY need a video editing software, buy Final Cut Express

t_hah · Feb 1, 2003, 12:50 AM

Well, maybe you guys just downloaded about 83Megs of debugging code for iMovie 2.

They should remove it with the next major update...just kidding.

I am sure that Apple will fix it...it is just a matter of time. Send them feedback.

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undotwa · Feb 1, 2003, 01:05 AM

One way I found to significantly speed up iPhoto is to go to Preferences "No Border" (it's a radio button). It turns off drop shadows and makes scrolling real smooth.

Eug · Feb 1, 2003, 02:21 AM

What computer are you using? Dropping iPhoto 2 pix into iMovie 3 doesn't take too long on my machine.

I guess I should be glad I have a TiBook 1 GHz with 768 MB RAM Radeon 9000 Mobility. It's tolerable for iMovie 3, although not fast. I'm guessing a slower computer would drive me totally insane.

A 1.4 GHz PPC970 AluBook with 1 GB DDR would of course be even better...

BTW, is iMovie 3 SMP aware?

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Feb 1, 2003, 04:08 AM

Originally posted by Eug:
What computer are you using? Dropping iPhoto 2 pix into iMovie 3 doesn't take too long on my machine.

It is on an iMac 600 with 320 RAM. iMovie 2 ran fine on it.

Eug · Feb 1, 2003, 04:21 AM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
It is on an iMac 600 with 320 RAM. iMovie 2 ran fine on it.

I wonder if more RAM would help... What else are you running in the background? I have 768 MB, with a fast G4. Yours is a G3 600 gumdrop iMac right?

Right now I have an empty iMovie project, and I am just importing some assets (99 clips). TOP says:

RPRVT: 38.7M
RSHRD: 27.2M
RSIZE: 66.9M
VSIZE: 222M

By the way, although the import of my clips is very slow, I'm very happy that it's importing them at all. These are MPEG-2 clips, which were not supported in iMovie 2. See here. (Fortunately, iMovie will batch import. 99 clips is a lot to do manually.)

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Feb 1, 2003, 04:31 AM

Originally posted by Eug:
I wonder if more RAM would help... What else are you running in the background? I have 768 MB, with a fast G4. Yours is a G3 600 gumdrop iMac right?

Ya, nothing else is running.

It is my friends computer and the first thing she said is "can you find out what is causing it to be so slow".

For real, i pict impoted into to the timeline takes 3 minutes to render with no effects.

Same thing on my iBook 500.

Angus_D · Feb 1, 2003, 05:24 AM

Originally posted by tikki:
The next update will introduce the speed improvements.

At least that is my theory from seeing what iCal and iSync did

iCal is still a bit reminiscent of wading through treacle.

workerbee · Feb 1, 2003, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by Eug:
A 1.4 GHz PPC970 AluBook with 1 GB DDR would of course be even better...

Stop that, Eugene, please, will you?

This is only making us dream and lust needlessly.

Thanks!

Eug · Feb 1, 2003, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
For real, i pict impoted into to the timeline takes 3 minutes to render with no effects.

Same thing on my iBook 500.

It drops in instantaneously on mine, but then takes 40 seconds to render. All imports are done with your last Ken Burns effects setting, whether you want that effect or not.

What's annoying though is if you set it to 1.0 zoom (in. no zoom) on both start to finish, it will "jiggle" at the beginning. I wonder if this a problem with Apple's renderer though, because QuickTime has the same problem when exporting a pic to DV.

However, there is no such problem when exporting to QuickTime from iPhoto. You can then drop the .mov file back into iMovie. PITA, but it works.

This is only making us dream and lust needlessly.

When it comes out I'm buying... esp. after using iPhoto, iMovie 3, iDVD 2, and Keynote. Can't hurt to dream...

dscottbuch · Feb 1, 2003, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by Eug:
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What's annoying though is if you set it to 1.0 zoom (in. no zoom) on both start to finish, it will "jiggle" at the beginning. I wonder if this a problem with Apple's renderer though, because QuickTime has the same problem when exporting a pic to DV.

When I tried this the 'jiggle' is there on the display in iMovie but not on the export. I even cut off the first few second of the clip and jiggle remained on the playback on iMovie. It seems to be the playback function in iMovie.

Eug · Feb 1, 2003, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by dscottbuch:
When I tried this the 'jiggle' is there on the display in iMovie but not on the export. I even cut off the first few second of the clip and jiggle remained on the playback on iMovie. It seems to be the playback function in iMovie.

OK if that's true, then that's great.

Hopefully they'll get rid of that jiggle in the next update.

Eriamjh · Feb 1, 2003, 02:42 PM

I heard Steve Jobs said, "If they want it for free, they can have the slower, non-optimized beta version."

I heard people who buy iLife will get a faster version because they paid for it.

(Actually, I made it all up, but what do you expect for free?)

Todd Madson · Feb 3, 2003, 02:21 PM

I worked on a 20 minute VCD project for a friends birthday on my G4/400 with 1.5 gigs of ram.

Needless to say, it didn't get done in time for her birthday.

I'm glad I kept another copy of the earlier version of iMovie on another drive because while this thing works, it is a slow and frustrating piece of software.

Particularly frustrating are the transport controls as well as just moving around and doing things.

Anyway, I suspect the next version will be better.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Feb 3, 2003, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by Todd Madson:

Anyway, I suspect the next version will be better.

I just hope we don't have to wait months for it.

Pepi Picklefoot · Feb 3, 2003, 02:26 PM

That's funny...how can iMovie 3 be slower at rendering iPhoto pics than iMovie 2 if iMovie 2 didn't even have that feature?

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Feb 3, 2003, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by Pepi Picklefoot:
That's funny...how can iMovie 3 be slower at rendering iPhoto pics than iMovie 2 if iMovie 2 didn't even have that feature?

Any imported pict silly.

Eug · Feb 3, 2003, 03:08 PM

To be fair, I couldn't use most of my pics in iMovie 2 at all, because iMovie 2 refuses to import them (unless I mess with creator codes, etc.).

I appreciate the work Apple has put into iMovie 3 to address iMovie 2's faults. But it looks like we are going to have to endure a longer wait before this thing truly becomes a non-beta product.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Feb 3, 2003, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by Eug:

I appreciate the work Apple has put into iMovie 3 to address iMovie 2's faults. But it looks like we are going to have to endure a longer wait before this thing truly becomes a non-beta product.

Well iCal 1.0 was a disaster with speed. 1.0.2 is MUCH better.