[The Final Dakar]

Well, I certainly would be interested to know what the school did to discipline these kids.

[brassplayersrock²]

Originally Posted by badidea 

At age 7 you don't ******* know what sexual assault means! You're not even able to have sex at the age of 7!

So, did your penis not pop out until you hit puberty or something?

Also, the amount of unsupervised internet time, and the ability to be taken into any movie they want if there's an adult, kids are able to learn about rape, and murder way sooner than say 30 years ago. They see it on tv, and elsewhere and if their parents don't say anything, they think that it's just what's acceptable. Kids, and seeing in this thread, some adults, are very easily influenced.

[ort888]

Originally Posted by badidea 

At age 7 you don't ******* know what sexual assault means! You're not even able to have sex at the age of 7!

It doesn't matter if they know what it means. What they did was sexual assault.

That's why you punish them. They need to understand how wrong what they did was.

Look, I'm not saying they should be locked away forever and entered into the sex offender registry. But the kids should be suspended for those actions. They need to be counseled and there needs to be serious action taken.

You can't just treat it as "kids being kids".

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally Posted by brassplayersrock² 

So, did your penis not pop out until you hit puberty or something?

We all did all kinds of stuff as kids. A lot of experimenting, and a WHOLE lot of dealing with power structures and being able to exert power over others, experimenting with how to assert oneself and one's will.

I see this constantly with my daughter, who is four years old.

There's even some coquetry and random "naughty" quotes picked up from some of the bigger kids in kindergarten/daycare, but it's just that: random.

I would go out of my ****ing mind if I construed anything that involved male/female power structures and/or genitals as even remotely "sexual".

It's not.

It's like the constant misunderstanding that rape or abuse have the slightest bit to do with sexuality. They don't. They're conducted via sexual contact because that is an especially sensitive area that can very effectively be used to demean/degrade people.

If you freak out over these kids and/or get violent, they'll have learned what is really, really effective at getting attention (for lack of self-worth):

Sex and violence.

Awesome. Congratulations.

[Eug]

So, when does it become something more? Age 10? Age 12?

If that was my daughter, and you were one of the dads of the boys spouting that to me, yes I would be royally pissed off with you. That attitude just comes across as being from someone who is unwilling to take responsibility for his child's actions, just because he's a child.

--

P.S. When I was a 12 year-old kid staying in another country for a little while (as my dad was doing some work there), I met up with and hung out a bit with a neighbour's kid. He was constantly making sexual remarks about girls. He was 9, going on 10, but talked like a teenager.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie 

It's adults that read a sexual context into it, not the children. It's a brawl/prank between three children and should be handled as such.

With the sexual climate and internet availability of any type of porn, to any person of any age, not to mention the s***ty parenting of most people, I don't think so. I don't think you've actually been around younger kids lately, I have and it was shocking to say the least.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot 

If you have to beat your kids, you've already lost.

Smart kids always knew that, too.

You're just breeding violence into their dysfunction.

I was spanked, it worked for me. I'll use it with my children, but as the "last straw" after grounding and other punishments haven't worked.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

Wow, that almost lasted an entire half an hour!

He found other tards who believe that 8 y/o children are little cherubs who couldn't possibly sexually assault someone.

[Athens]

No I've stayed away from anything else to do with Kids and "sexual" assault. I was done with that. Americans are retarded and gotta live with that.

[ort888]

The kids weren't acting out sexually, but what they were doing was sexual assault.

Just like there is a big difference between a 3 year old microwaving a hamster and a 12 year old doing it. Either way you have a dead hamster. The three year old doesn't understand it, you treat both situations very different... but both children are hamster murderers. The "crime" has not changed because of the age of those involved.

7 is creeping up on the age where it's becoming much less tolerable. If a 4 year old pulled down a girls panties, it's no big deal at all. So where do you draw the line? I dunno. But at age 7, the children need to understand what they did was very wrong. And you teach them this by punishing them.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by Eug 

P.S. When I was a 12 year-old kid staying in another country for a little while (as my dad was doing some work there), I met up with and hung out a bit with a neighbour's kid. He was constantly making sexual remarks about girls. He was 9, going on 10, but talked like a teenager.

I was talking with my 6 y/o neighbor a couple months ago and he commented about my wife's "excellent boobs". Now, they are quite nice, but I don't think that's really what a child that age should be noticing, much less talking about. I talked with his dad about it and he simply said, "boys will be boys". That's a problem.

Again, there's nothing wrong with letting a child know that sex isn't dirty and that there's nothing awful of wrong about their naked bodies. However, you have to draw the line at their interaction with other people, especially boundaries when it comes to touching. Restraining a little girl and pulling down her panties is wrong at any age and has to be addressed directly and with authority. Otherwise, you're just contributing to a climate hyper-sexuality that's only getting worse as media becomes more and more focused on sex and self-gratification above anything else.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by ort888 

The kids weren't acting out sexually, but what they were doing was sexual assault.

Just like there is a big difference between a 3 year old microwaving a hamster and a 12 year old doing it. Either way you have a dead hamster. The three year old doesn't understand it, you treat both situations very different... but both children are hamster murderers. The "crime" has not changed because of the age of those involved.

7 is creeping up on the age where it's becoming much less tolerable. If a 4 year old pulled down a girls panties, it's no big deal at all. So where do you draw the line? I dunno. But at age 7, the children need to understand what they did was very wrong. And you teach them this by punishing them.

Spot-on and well said.

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

I was talking with my 6 y/o neighbor a couple months ago and he commented about my wife's "excellent boobs". Now, they are quite nice, but I don't think that's really what a child that age should be noticing at that age

Oh you're so wrong about that. But you are right he shouldn't be casually mentioning it in conversation.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

Oh you're so wrong about that. But you are right he shouldn't be casually mentioning it in conversation.

Hell, I wasn't noticing the finer aspects of breasts and butts at that age, I was too busy running around trying to find ants for a massive colony I was building with my dad. I sure as hell wouldn't have mentioned it to anyone, even if I did. That would have gotten me a clout on the head and maybe some dish soap to wash out my mouth.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

I was talking with my 6 y/o neighbor a couple months ago and he commented about my wife's "excellent boobs". Now, they are quite nice, but I don't think that's really what a child that age should be noticing at that age, much less talking about. I talked with his dad about it and he simply said, "boys will be boys". That's a problem.

Again, there's nothing wrong with letting a child know that sex isn't dirty and that there's nothing awful of wrong about their naked bodies. However, you have to draw the line at their interaction with other people, especially boundaries when it comes to touching. Restraining a little girl and pulling down her panties is wrong at any age and has to be addressed directly and with authority. Otherwise, you're just contributing to a climate hyper-sexuality that's only getting worse as media becomes more and more focused on sex and self-gratification above anything else.

Would your reaction be the same if it was two 8 year old girls that pull down a boys pants?

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by Athens 

Would your reaction be the same if it was two 8 year old girls that pull down a boys pants?

Very much so.

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

Hell, I wasn't noticing the finer aspects of breasts and butts at that age, I was too busy running around trying to find ants for a massive colony I was building with my dad. I sure as hell wouldn't have mentioned it to anyone, even if I did. That would have gotten me a clout on the head and maybe some dish soap to wash out my mouth.

I spent most of my time with Legos, but if a woman was wearing a low cut shirt it tended to catch my eye.

[Laminar]

You guys have a clear picture of what your thoughts and emotions were when you were six?
Also, thanks for Legos.

[The Final Dakar]

Clear? No. But of course i have memories. I even have a few blurry ones from when I was 3 and 4.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

You guys have a clear picture of what your thoughts and emotions were when you were six?
Also, thanks for Legos.

Fairly clear, yeah.

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by brassplayersrock² 

So, did your penis not pop out until you hit puberty or something?

When you're a young child, your penis/your vagina is no different from your finger. Again, it's adults that bring sexuality into this.

Originally Posted by Eug 

So, when does it become something more? Age 10? Age 12?

It changes slowly when children start to hit puberty, isn't that obvious?

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by ort888 

7 is creeping up on the age where it's becoming much less tolerable. If a 4 year old pulled down a girls panties, it's no big deal at all. So where do you draw the line? I dunno. But at age 7, the children need to understand what they did was very wrong. And you teach them this by punishing them.

Yes, they did something wrong, but I think you misunderstand what these two boys have done wrong: they didn't sexually assault another child, they bullied another child. It was about power, not sex.

What you're proposing is like convicting teenagers of child pornography when they're sexting.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie 

Yes, they did something wrong, but I think you misunderstand what these two boys have done wrong: they didn't sexually assault another child, they bullied another child. It was about power, not sex.

So is rape, which this is bordering on. It's a sexual assault, regardless of what the possible intent may have been.

Preteens are much more sexually minded than they have ever been, a quick google search will show you what can happen. It's about as bad as what adults can do to each other.

[The Final Dakar]

I recall being amused in 3rd grade when I was laying on the floor of the classroom and some girl stopped to talk to me and I could see up her skirt. Not because I wanted to see vagina but because I knew you weren't supposed to see peoples underwear.

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

So is rape, which this is bordering on. It's a sexual assault, regardless of what the possible intent may have been.

I think you insisting it was something sexual would do much more harm to all three than seeing it as it is (if you were put in the situation to deal with this incident).

[lpkmckenna]

Athens: ruining the reputation of liberals, atheists, and Canadians since day one.

mattyb: I'm so sorry to hear this happened. I hope everything works out for your family.

These boys need to be punished at school, in front of their peers: a public apology to your daughter, in front of teachers and friends of her choosing, and loss of privileges for a week or two, like no recess and gym class. And the parents are to provide a signed letter to the school of punishments that will be carried out at home, like no tv and video games for two weeks, topped with more chores; the letter must be specific regarding times and punishments. And of course, the parents of all kids are to meet with the principle of the school to discuss the issue, and again, the kids to apologize to your daughter in the presence of all the parents. The boys must apologize to your daughter, and apologize to you: kids must understand that they are not just hurting one person, they are hurting the people that love them too.

Of the parents don't show, or don't provide a signed letter of actions that will be taken, only then is there talk of suspension. I'm not a fan of hurting the education of kids when there is plenty of free time to be used for punishment. I'm also not a fan of getting the law involved at this age.

This is not an issue to be ignored. Bullying is serious, and kids must know that it will be treated seriously by adults. The dismissive attitude that some adults have of bullying is sickening.

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot 

If you freak out over these kids and/or get violent, they'll have learned what is really, really effective at getting attention (for lack of self-worth):

Sex and violence.

Awesome. Congratulations.

It is (really actually effective at getting attention). So what? Teaching them something that happens to be true is not a terrible side effect.

What's the alternative, they can't break the rules if there are no rules? Reverse psychology has even worse side effects than revealing the way the world really works. Like ignorance of the way the world really works, mistrust of parents/mentors, and out of control brats.

A lot of this is attributable to the forbidden fruit motivation. You can't avoid this just by making nothing forbidden. You have to let them try for it and be rebuked, that's how the human brain works, it keeps pushing until something pushes back. That's the way the grown up world works too, so you'd better teach them to respect it before they're out there on their own.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie 

I think you insisting it was something sexual would do much more harm to all three than seeing it as it is (if you were put in the situation to deal with this incident).

We don't know what their intent was, it very well could have been sexual. The outcome is still the same, she was restrained and sexually assaulted. If someone hadn't run for help, there's really no way of knowing what could have happened. Kids are different now than they were when I was that age, it's a sad but true fact.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna 

Athens: ruining the reputation of liberals, atheists, and Canadians since day one.

Shaddim: I'm so sorry to hear this happened. I hope everything works out for your family.

Do you fancy going and reading the thread again perhaps?

[mattyb]

Had a meeting with my daughter's teacher and the head teacher. 2 boys involved. There was a 3rd boy who was trying to pull my daughter away from the other two towards the teachers. It wasn't a 'planned' event apparently, the boys were chasing the girls (like tag) and my daughter was caught. One boy told another to hold onto her and lifted her dress.

I'm informed that they've both been punished, they don't suspend kids here, and that the parents of the boy who lifted her skirt was 'severely' punished. I have no idea what that means. It would be nice to get an apology from the parents, but I'm not counting on it.

My wife was impressed that I stayed so calm.

[lpkmckenna]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Do you fancy going and reading the thread again perhaps?

Yeah, fixed it.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna 

Athens: ruining the reputation of liberals, atheists, and Canadians since day one.

mattyb: I'm so sorry to hear this happened. I hope everything works out for your family.

These boys need to be punished at school, in front of their peers: a public apology to your daughter, in front of teachers and friends of her choosing, and loss of privileges for a week or two, like no recess and gym class. And the parents are to provide a signed letter to the school of punishments that will be carried out at home, like no tv and video games for two weeks, topped with more chores; the letter must be specific regarding times and punishments. And of course, the parents of all kids are to meet with the principle of the school to discuss the issue, and again, the kids to apologize to your daughter in the presence of all the parents. The boys must apologize to your daughter, and apologize to you: kids must understand that they are not just hurting one person, they are hurting the people that love them too.

Of the parents don't show, or don't provide a signed letter of actions that will be taken, only then is there talk of suspension. I'm not a fan of hurting the education of kids when there is plenty of free time to be used for punishment. I'm also not a fan of getting the law involved at this age.

This is not an issue to be ignored. Bullying is serious, and kids must know that it will be treated seriously by adults. The dismissive attitude that some adults have of bullying is sickening.

At least you call it for what it is, Bullying. Actually I haven't seen a single post on here of any one being dismissive of what happened. Every one is in agreement that they need to be punished. The debate is capital punishment and law suites or parents and the schools.

WOW "insert George Carlin Voice" H.O.L.L.Y "Bleep"

It wasn't a 'planned' event apparently, the boys were chasing the girls (like tag) and my daughter was caught. One boy told another to hold onto her and lifted her dress.

This sexual assault is just to much. The boys should be executed. I mean the horror, the seriousness of this heinous group of boys out raping girls. Its not even a case of bullying just inappropriate behavior during play.

This is exactly why I didn't subscribe to the American view on this. As I expected was harmless play. And people wanted 8 year old boys labeled as sexual offenders. Suing schools and so forth.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally Posted by Eug 

So, when does it become something more? Age 10? Age 12?

It's already more than that. You misunderstand me. Read on.

Originally Posted by Eug 

If that was my daughter, and you were one of the dads of the boys spouting that to me, yes I would be royally pissed off with you. That attitude just comes across as being from someone who is unwilling to take responsibility for his child's actions, just because he's a child.

Absolutely not.

Those kids need some serious talking to, to explain to them extent of their transgression.

Just punishing them, suspending them, and/or beating them in no way accomplishes that — it simply results in bewilderment and a sense that they have some serious disruptive power by virtue of what was probably mostly experimenting with power over others.

That's NOT the signal you want to send, and it certainly doesn't encourage corrective behavior.

Originally Posted by Eug 

P.S. When I was a 12 year-old kid staying in another country for a little while (as my dad was doing some work there), I met up with and hung out a bit with a neighbour's kid. He was constantly making sexual remarks about girls. He was 9, going on 10, but talked like a teenager.

My daughter is four and says stuff she's heard but doesn't appreciate the significance of.

I hope I'll be able to trust my kid not to pull stupid shit, not because she's scared of me (or the consequences), but because she's smart enough to give situations the benefit of the doubt.

I'm just gonna have to beat it into her.

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

I was spanked, it worked for me. I'll use it with my children, but as the "last straw" after grounding and other punishments haven't worked.

Punishment doesn't even enter into it for me unless this (or something similar) happens again.

Originally Posted by ort888 

The kids weren't acting out sexually, but what they were doing was sexual assault.

Just like there is a big difference between a 3 year old microwaving a hamster and a 12 year old doing it. Either way you have a dead hamster. The three year old doesn't understand it, you treat both situations very different... but both children are hamster murderers. The "crime" has not changed because of the age of those involved.

7 is creeping up on the age where it's becoming much less tolerable. If a 4 year old pulled down a girls panties, it's no big deal at all. So where do you draw the line? I dunno. But at age 7, the children need to understand what they did was very wrong. And you teach them this by punishing them.

They need to understand it at four, also. And if nobody has explained it to them (most people actually never bother explaining stuff to their kids — watch them. It's amazing. The kid is trying to understand the world, and the parent is just trying to make it shut up.), then punishing them is not gonna do SHIT.

There's the other side, of course: They just keep doing it. But then, the kid was ****ed up way earlier, and there isn't really much that you, as NOT his parent, can do about it. Punishment sends the signal "not okay", but it's not going to change the kid or teach him respect.

[Spheric Harlot]

Eh, I'd missed this earlier, as I had the reply window open since this afternoon:

Originally Posted by mattyb 

Had a meeting with my daughter's teacher and the head teacher. 2 boys involved. There was a 3rd boy who was trying to pull my daughter away from the other two towards the teachers. It wasn't a 'planned' event apparently, the boys were chasing the girls (like tag) and my daughter was caught. One boy told another to hold onto her and lifted her dress.

I'm informed that they've both been punished, they don't suspend kids here, and that the parents of the boy who lifted her skirt was 'severely' punished. I have no idea what that means. It would be nice to get an apology from the parents, but I'm not counting on it.

My wife was impressed that I stayed so calm.

Well, there you go.

We actually had a similar scare a while ago. It turned out that our daughter had told us something that some other kids were talking about, as kids are wont to do, regarding stuff they would do to others.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

We don't know what their intent was, it very well could have been sexual.

Oh boy.

You've got a kid on the way?

[brassplayersrock²]

Yes he does, and that kid will be a good one too, if his above posts are of any indication.

[Athens]

You sure, I can see him finger printing the infant at birth and starting a criminal activity file from
Day one.

Age 2 pulled on cats tail. (Animal Abuse)
Age 4 stole a cookie and lied (Theift)
Age 5 ran out of bathroom with no cloth on (indecent exposure)

By 10 it's going to have a record as long as the kid is tall.

[ort888]

I'd like to add that while I'm in favor of severe punishment, I don't think beatings are the way to go. Nor are lawsuits or expulsion.*

If my kid did something like this I would expect him to be suspended. I would also ground him. And talk with him a lot. And make him do a lot of terrible chores. He would be punished, talked to and he would understand what he did and that it was wrong.

*If these kids, or the ring leader of these kids is simply rotten or a repeat offender, then I would be okay with expulsion. But I wouldn't expect it, or demand it. Not at 7. Starting at 13 or 14? Yes.

[Athens]

I think suspensions are just as bad. What does te kid get out of it. Stays home for a week. They don't want to be in school in the first place. Then if both parents work who's watching the kid. And worse they fall behind in class which could seriously affect them down the road. Lost a week of math in grade 7 could cause trouble in grade 8.

I like everything else u said.

[ort888]

Then in-school detention. I don't know what, but if it happened on school property, then the school also needs to administer some form of punishment.

[Doofy]

Listening to some of the responses you peeps are giving, it's no wonder the world's turning into a lawless shithole. That is all.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot 

My daughter is four and says stuff she's heard but doesn't appreciate the significance of.

It's very common for kids around 10 or more to make such statements and know what they are actually saying. Denying it doesn't make it any less true, even if some don't want to hear it.

And then there was the situation in place we lived where a neighbour's teenage boy who was spying on another neighbour's tween girls. Just over the fence in the yards, not inside the house or anything. The girls' dad complained to the teenage kid's dad, and all the teenage kid's dad did was to say that boys will be boys. Of course, the girls' dad was furious, as was everyone else on the street. And I totally agree with their disgust and anger. "Boys will be boys" is just a completely inappropriate response.

[hyteckit]

I think suspensions are useless. Wrong type of reenforcement.

Make the child stay after school. Take away their play time. Make them do chores and make them clean the school.

I still think public caning or public shaming is the best in this case.

[andi*pandi]

Suspensions have their uses. One, the kid doesn't have to fall behind, they can do the work at home. The parents have to make sure that hometime isn't playtime - no tv, computer, nintendo.

The other thing suspension does is make the other parents take it seriously. Yes, they have to work around it. Tough. Teach your child better manners.

(I was suspended once. Self-defense.)

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by badidea 

At age 7 you don't ******* know what sexual assault means! You're not even able to have sex at the age of 7!

Unfortunately, some can.
Oakland 2nd Graders Reportedly Engage In Sex Acts, Teacher Suspended � CBS San Francisco

OAKLAND (CBS 5) — A teacher at Oakland’s Markham Elementary School has been suspended indefinitely after school officials said a pair of second-graders performed sex acts on each other in class – with the teacher present.

“I think everyone is taken aback over this shocking incident,” Troy Flint, the spokesman for the Oakland Unified School District, told CBS 5. “Of course, it is hard to understand how that could have occurred.”

[The Final Dakar]

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by badidea 

At age 7 you don't ******* know what sexual assault means! You're not even able to have sex at the age of 7!

You and Athens are both surprisingly naive on this topic. Just because sexual behavior is usually latent in kids until the onset of puberty doesn't mean that younger kids aren't capable of it whatsoever and doesn't mean they aren't capable of assaults with sexual ramifications (even if they don't understand those ramifications). Some kids have more advanced knowledge of sexual behavior, whether intuitively, through mimicry of activities of older people, sexual play with other kids or as a result of abuse. Some kids have more interest in sex even in the sexual latent stages than others. I knew a pair of kids, a boy and a girl, who were supposedly making out in elementary school when we were in the fourth grade, and I went to a small, sheltered private school. I had very little sexual interest at the time, but that wasn't apparently true for those other kids.

Btw, the video Athens posted to illustrate what fighting is to 7 year-olds was asinine because it clearly had no bearing on the topic of this thread; those kids weren't serious at all. You're fooling yourself if you think children always act in completely benign ways, never have serious behavioral problems and never act out in truly violent or sexually advanced ways. You may not have been that way as a kid, nor was I, but that doesn't mean our respective personal experiences are shared commonly by all or even most kids. I didn't play "doctor" as a child but I know that's not too unusual an experience for a child to have. Moreover, there's also a lot more readily available sexual information today. I can't even imagine how childhood has changed given that many kids now have regular access to the web nearly from birth. I can only imagine that kids who go looking for sexual content likely will become sexualized much earlier than they otherwise may have been.

mattyb is right, this assault on his daughter is a serious problem. You have to be terrifically oblivious to argue otherwise. It kind of sounds like the elementary school version of the brutal gang rape that hot blonde reporter Laura Logan experienced in Egypt. While I agree that it shouldn't be overblown because overreaction by the parents could make the matter even more traumatic to their daughter, the boys involved need to be disciplined, and the teachers/administrators need to be put on strict notice that you (matty) find this assault and the lack of supervision completely unacceptable. If there isn't adequate supervision during recess or lunch to prevent this type of behavior, that needs to change immediately or you need to find a different school for your daughter. I'm not sure whether legal action is warranted or not, but if I were in your position I would put the implication out there that you're investigating your legal options and definitely prepared to file suit immediately against the school and every negligent adult employee if any such misconduct occurs in the future.

[Athens]

I don't want to fight with you, I just want to respond to a couple things.

The first one was a example of how description vs reality can be very different. In the end it was just playful kids and flicking of a skirt. Nothing like it was originally described. The second video was from a news report which was horsing around that went to far. The third video was a serious non playful attack. I think you only looked at the first one.

mattyb is right, this was a serious issue. While I agree that it shouldn't be overblown, the kids involved need to be disciplined, and the teachers/administrators need to be put on strict notice that you find is completely unacceptable. If there isn't adequate supervision during recess or lunch to prevent this type of behavior, that needs to change or you need to find a different school for your daughter.

I am in total agreement. The only disagreement in this thread was how far it was being overblown with one side treating it as a adult sexual assault with the other side treating it as bulling going to far. In the end it was horse play that went to far.

Knowing what sex is and understanding what it actually means are totally different things. A 5 year old can know a lot about sex from being educated but will not know the ramifications of it, the meaning of it the emotions of it. Its just something called sex and this is what you do. The meaning of it is not understood. Just like how children don't really understand death and many other things.

Lastly there is a cultural difference. While not every one posting show the location of where they are from, I would say the majority that sided that it was a sexual assault are American while the majority that sided on the kids being stupid kids side are non American.

[Rumor]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie 

It's adults that read a sexual context into it, not the children. It's a brawl/prank between three children and should be handled as such.

Perhaps but even at that age you know about "private parts".

[Rumor]

Matty, I would contact social services or child protective services (or whatever the equivalent is where you are) as this could a warning sign of future behavior and/or reflection of events happening at home. That is not normal behavior for children of that age as it goes beyond sexual curiosity and into deeper troubles.