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Socially Awkward Solo · Aug 21, 2002, 12:13 AM

If Apple marketing has something to say about it.

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/panther.html

Adam Betts · Aug 21, 2002, 12:49 AM

That's lot better

Animal's fur is far more interesting than plant.

(s)macintosh · Aug 21, 2002, 12:51 AM

I can't wait for Bobcat or Snow Leopard.

cwasko · Aug 21, 2002, 12:56 AM

Maine Coon Cat

I can't take credit for this one, but it is my fav: Fat Tabby

Producer · Aug 21, 2002, 01:05 AM

After hearing about Apple's change from Pinot to another animal reference Microsoft again has been influenced by Apple and has decided to change there future Black Comb release to DuckBill Platypus.

mitchell_pgh · Aug 21, 2002, 01:09 AM

I think Cobra would be nice... switching from cats to cars...

Pinto, escort, neon, geo metro...

Adam Betts · Aug 21, 2002, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
I think Cobra would be nice... switching from cats to cars...

Pinto, escort, neon, geo metro...

When Ca$h hear that... never mind

Gee4orce · Aug 21, 2002, 02:53 AM

I think this is cool branding - they can brand each release with the fur pattern of the namesake big cat. Notice how each cat is bigger and bigger ? Panther will no doubt be black (panthers being black jaguars), then onto Lion, Tiger, Smilodont, Arcturian Mega-leopard - oh sorry, getting carried away there...

El Pre$idente · Aug 21, 2002, 02:55 AM

Pinot is actually how Steve Jobs pronounces Panther.

Zimphire · Aug 21, 2002, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by El Pre$idente:
Pinot is actually how Steve Jobs pronounces Panther.

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Norm1985 · Aug 21, 2002, 03:09 AM

Originally posted by (s)macintosh:
I can't wait for Bobcat or Snow Leopard.

Whatever the codename is for 10.3, I hope that 10.3 is...

1) Free, for people who bought 10.2. It'd be unreasonable of Apple to demand people to buy 10.3 after they bought 10.2.

2) That this is the last of Mac OS X.x (10.x Now that we have moved our stuff over to UNIX, let's move onto Mac OS XI!

karbon · Aug 21, 2002, 03:14 AM

Originally posted by Norm1985:

Whatever the codename is for 10.3, I hope that 10.3 is...

1) Free, for people who bought 10.2. It'd be unreasonable of Apple to demand people to buy 10.3 after they bought 10.2.

2) That this is the last of Mac OS X.x (10.x Now that we have moved our stuff over to UNIX, let's move onto Mac OS XI!

Please, can we please get over this "but it's only a .1 update, so we shouldn't have to pay" whining?

If Pinot will be a substantial update like Jaguar, then there is no problem in charging for it. Naming it 10.3 wouldn't make it worth any less, although it's not very good marketing strategy.

Norm1985 · Aug 21, 2002, 03:29 AM

Originally posted by karbon:

Please, can we please get over this "but it's only a .1 update, so we shouldn't have to pay" whining?

If Pinot will be a substantial update like Jaguar, then there is no problem in charging for it. Naming it 10.3 wouldn't make it worth any less, although it's not very good marketing strategy.

That's the exact reason, it's not a very good marketing stratagey. And for your information, from what I've read about 10.2, I find 10.1 to be a more significant update than 10.2. (I also bought a copy of Jaguar from MacMall, which will be at my door Saturday) And 10.1 was free.

It took Apple five months to deliver 10.1 from 10.0 and took Apple 11 months to deliver 10.2 from 10.1. If Apple is going to have us pay $129 every year, I don't think many customers will appreciate that.

Sven G · Aug 21, 2002, 03:51 AM

http://www.discoverynet.com/~ajsnead.../ppanther.html

That's the perfect synthesis of Steve Jobs '60s counterculture and Mac OS X's "modern" architecture! Ah... Sherlock, of course, will henceforth be named "Clouseau"!

Producer · Aug 21, 2002, 03:55 AM

ok i am too tired to find the reference but in Apple's SEC filings they pretty much state that OS X has a life span of 8 years. Just thought that was interesting and i wonder what they have planned after that.

As far as naming wise that should work out well because at the current rate of upgrades 8 years would put us at about 10.9

(s)macintosh · Aug 21, 2002, 04:08 AM

Originally posted by Producer:
ok i am too tired to find the reference but in Apple's SEC filings they pretty much state that OS X has a life span of 8 years. Just thought that was interesting and i wonder what they have planned after that.

As far as naming wise that should work out well because at the current rate of upgrades 8 years would put us at about 10.9

I think that Apple will stray (ha! get it!) away from using 10.x in marketing.

Look at the Netscape / Microsoft browser war... IE went from version 2 to version 4 to compete with Netscape 4, and Netscape went from 4 to 6...

Even Windows went from 95, to 98, to 2k and now they're using Me, XP, and .NET thrown into the mix.

It wouldn't surprise me to see releases like Jaguar, Panther, Leopard, etc to describe 10.2, 10.4, 10.6, etc... Sure, they'll keep the numbering system, but I think they'll focus more on the release name.

El Pre$idente · Aug 21, 2002, 04:29 AM

Jobs said that OSX was going to be the Mac Os for the next ten or more years. That means it needs to keep the OSX name branding for quite some time and we'll get a point update each year, sometimes we'll have to wait 18 months. Anyway, there's at least ten years worth of poosy to come.

dwishbone · Aug 21, 2002, 09:22 AM

Panther makes much more sense.
MacOS 10 was Cheetah, MacOS 10.1 was Puma, and MacOS 10.2 is Jaguar.
Apple stays on the same name trends. From MacOS 8-9.2 it was mostly musical notes. Some of the early OS X Server/Client builds used mythology names, but did not last long. Now they are on cats. I like the cat naming scheme personally

If the next OS is in fact code named Panther I hope it ships with a nice metallic black looking interface as an option. I also hope it ships with a theme similar to the "Milk" theme available for Duality.

I too hope 10.3 is free. If it isn't that (with all probability) black X on it's logo may mark where people tell Apple to shove it.

cwasko · Aug 21, 2002, 09:46 AM

Well, I could care less what the name the releases, or what version number they give them when they are released. However, I do hope they do not just start skipping version nuymbers like they used to. I could never figure out why we went from 8.6 -> 9.0. Marketing guys always pooch things good.

As far as paying for 10.3. I'm not going to make any preconceptions untill I here what is going to be in it. If 10.3 brings a butt-tun of new features, is faster, has more iApps, and washes the dog... why wouldn't I pay for it? I like getting things free just as much as the next person, however, I do not *expect* to get anything for free. It makes getting the free things that much more meaningful.

xi_hyperon · Aug 21, 2002, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by dwishbone:
I too hope 10.3 is free. If it isn't that (with all probability) black X on it's logo may mark where people tell Apple to shove it.

Jeebus, it's the eve of 10.2's release and already the whining about 10.3 has begun.

escher · Aug 21, 2002, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by El Pre$idente:
Pinot is actually how Steve Jobs pronounces Panther.

ROTFL

El Pre$idente, you jump-started my morning ab workout.

Originally posted by El Pre$idente:
Jobs said that OSX was going to be the Mac Os for the next ten or more years. That means it needs to keep the OSX name branding for quite some time...

That's why I predict that we will eventually see Mac OS X 11.x, codename [pick-a-cat] (pronounced oh-ess ten, version eleven point x). For now, I'm simply looking forward to UPS delivering Mac OS X 10.2 Jaguar to my door on Saturday.

Escher

Developer · Aug 21, 2002, 10:08 AM

What is "Pinot"?

dwishbone · Aug 21, 2002, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by xi_hyperon:

Jeebus, it's the eve of 10.2's release and already the whining about 10.3 has begun.

Just for the record I love MacOS X (used it since 10.0) and I have my copy of 10.2 on preorder and also plan on paying for one .Mac account for $50.

Apple just needs to realize that people cant afford to update their software and hardware constantly. The OS should have at least 1 free revision before requiring to pay. 10.1 was free. 10.3 should be free at least.

If they do charge I will probably buy it anyway.

lookmark · Aug 21, 2002, 10:14 AM

Why on earth do people expect 10.3 to be free?

10.1 was free only because 10.0 was so clearly not ready for prime time.

People have to get it through their heads that for 10.x, .1 upgrades are pretty much equivalent to 1.0 (or at least .75) upgrades in equivalent software.

I do think they should have an upgrade price of $99, though. $129 every year for the latest, greatest X is a bit...predatory.

Seb G · Aug 21, 2002, 10:19 AM

I could never figure out why we went from 8.6 -> 9.0

Because we went from 7.6 to 8.0? Because Apple wanted to have System 9 out so they could use X for their sexy new UNIX system?

If 10.3 fixes bugs of 10.2, or adds important things that very ommitted in it (like 10.1 did to 10.0), it should be free. If it adds lots of nice features that are useful and good to have, but not necessary (like 10.2 over 10.1, or 8.5 over 8.1) I'll be glad to pay for it. And I don't give a d*** f*** about its version number.

lookmark · 10:48 AM

It seems like there are some new people here who are a bit unfamiliar with how Apple versioned software in the past.

the way it's been since System 7:

.0 - major upgrade
.1 - minor upgrade (free)
.5 - major upgrade
.6 - minor upgrade (free)

And so on. There have been some exceptions (Apple charged for 7.6, and people were almost happy to pay, because they were in such shambles at the time) but that's how it worked. 9.2 has come about because Classic development is now relegated solely to maintainence.

With OS X, it's become clear that Apple's development schedule has shifted to something quite different, and much more aggressive.

It's now:

.1 - (almost) major upgrade
.x.1 - around 4-5 minor updates (free)

with (almost) major upgrades coming an average of every 9 (!) months.

Apple knows that to catch up to (and to best) Microsoft they have to move insanely fast, and they're on track to do just that.

The .1 is just marketing, guys. 10.1 being free was the exception to the rule, and there will probably never be a "XI". They want to keep the "10" name alive as long as possible. Until The Next Big Thing at least...

beb · Aug 21, 2002, 11:09 AM

Ya'll are forgetting that Apple will eventually be bought by Disney. Bring on Mac OS Tigger!

dwishbone · Aug 21, 2002, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by Sven G:
Ah... Sherlock, of course, will henceforth be named "Clouseau"!

"Ahhh, chief inspector. that is fantastic!"
hehe.
I wonder if in MacOS 10.3 panther you can hold shift to slow downs sounds and not just window resizing.
LOL

Nonsuch · Aug 21, 2002, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by Sven G:
Sherlock, of course, will henceforth be named "Clouseau"!

When you minimize it, instead of sliding smoothly into the Dock, it bumbles and collides all over your monitor, knocking your icons around before ending up, legs akimbo, in the Trash can.

xi_hyperon · Aug 21, 2002, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by Nonsuch:

When you minimize it, instead of sliding smoothly into the Dock, it bumbles and collides all over your monitor, knocking your icons around before ending up, legs akimbo, in the Trash can.

...and asks you if you have a license for that minkey.

escher · Aug 21, 2002, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by beb:
Ya'll are forgetting that Apple will eventually be bought by Disney. Bring on Mac OS Tigger!

LOL

How witty! I can't get over the humour in this thread.

Escher

JLL · Aug 21, 2002, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by Norm1985:
If Apple is going to have us pay $129 every year, I don't think many customers will appreciate that.

It's been that way since Mac OS 8.0 (one paid upgrader per year).

lookmark · Aug 21, 2002, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by JLL:

It's been that way since Mac OS 8.0 (one paid upgrader per year).

But not $129.

Norm1985 · Aug 21, 2002, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by JLL:

It's been that way since Mac OS 8.0 (one paid upgrader per year).

No, more like one paid upgrade every 18 months and not for $129 either.

Originally posted by lookmark:

It seems like there are some new people here who are a bit unfamiliar with how Apple versioned software in the past.

the way it's been since System 7:

.0 - major upgrade
.1 - minor upgrade (free)
.5 - major upgrade
.6 - minor upgrade (free)

And so on. There have been some exceptions (Apple charged for 7.6, and people were almost happy to pay, because they were in such shambles at the time) but that's how it worked. 9.2 has come about because Classic development is now relegated solely to maintainence.

With OS X, it's become clear that Apple's development schedule has shifted to something quite different, and much more aggressive.

It's now:

.1 - (almost) major upgrade
.x.1 - around 4-5 minor updates (free)

with (almost) major upgrades coming an average of every 9 (!) months.

Apple knows that to catch up to (and to best) Microsoft they have to move insanely fast, and they're on track to do just that.

The .1 is just marketing, guys. 10.1 being free was the exception to the rule, and there will probably never be a "XI". They want to keep the "10" name alive as long as possible. Until The Next Big Thing at least...

Yes, and with NeXT/OpenSTEP the naming convention wouldn't go that high either. OpenSTEP went up to 4.4, trust me, it'd be bad for marking it as Mac OS X past .4 for people with not a lot of computer literacy because they're more likely to think they have the newest version of Mac OS. This would allow the mainstream to be less confused.

JLL · Aug 21, 2002, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by Norm1985:

No, more like one paid upgrade every 18 months and not for $129 either.

There were usually six months between updates and you paid for .0 and .5.

No, it was not $129, but it was $99 which was the full price of Mac OS at that time.

Peabo · Aug 21, 2002, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by lookmark:

the way it's been since System 7:

.0 - major upgrade
.1 - minor upgrade (free)
.5 - major upgrade
.6 - minor upgrade (free)

7.6 wasn't free was it?

lookmark · Aug 21, 2002, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by z0ne81:
7.6 wasn't free was it?

No, it wasn't. Read my post.

Developer · Aug 21, 2002, 04:39 PM

What is a "Pinot"?

mefogus · Aug 21, 2002, 05:30 PM

Just in; the codename for OSX.4 is "Battle Cat", and the symbol looks like this:

-m

sambeau · Aug 21, 2002, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by Developer:
What is a "Pinot"?

It's a grape used to make wine..
Pinot Noir etc.

DamnDJ · Aug 21, 2002, 09:03 PM

There was an Internet Explorer 3 for both Windows and Mac.

Of course Microsoft named Windows 9x after the years they were released..

You do have a point though. A company I know well went from from version 2.x to 5.0 just to leap ahead of AOL.

Originally posted by (s)macintosh:

I think that Apple will stray (ha! get it!) away from using 10.x in marketing.

Look at the Netscape / Microsoft browser war... IE went from version 2 to version 4 to compete with Netscape 4, and Netscape went from 4 to 6...

Even Windows went from 95, to 98, to 2k and now they're using Me, XP, and .NET thrown into the mix.

It wouldn't surprise me to see releases like Jaguar, Panther, Leopard, etc to describe 10.2, 10.4, 10.6, etc... Sure, they'll keep the numbering system, but I think they'll focus more on the release name.

so1omon · Aug 21, 2002, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by mefogus:
Just in; the codename for OSX.4 is "Battle Cat", and the symbol looks like this:

-m

now THAT is funny.

OSX 10.4: now powered by greystone.

booboo · Aug 21, 2002, 10:26 PM

What happened to 'Pinwire'?

Guy Incognito · Aug 21, 2002, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by so1omon:

now THAT is funny.

OSX 10.4: now powered by greystone.

Don't you mean Grayskull?

Sven G · Aug 22, 2002, 07:44 AM

... So, the final dilemma:

wingdo · Aug 22, 2002, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by (s)macintosh:

Look at the Netscape / Microsoft browser war... IE went from version 2 to version 4 to compete with Netscape 4, and Netscape went from 4 to 6...

Yes, MS IE did go from 2 to 4, but only after 3 came out. I've still got IE 3 if you're interested. Also, there was a Netscape 5 in development, but it was dropped.

QUOTE]Originally posted by (s)macintosh:

Even Windows went from 95, to 98, to 2k and now they're using Me, XP, and .NET thrown into the mix.
[/QUOTE]

Although I can't tell you what .NET is (who can?), I can tell you it's not an OS.

so1omon · Aug 22, 2002, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by Guy Incognito:

Don't you mean Grayskull?

bah. i've got to stop drinking so early in the evening. it clouds my judgement. yes, i meant greyskull. and here i was thinking i was being witty when i just being drunk.

don't drink and post