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badidea · Apr 16, 2005, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by TETENAL

But it's not fair to give Safari a thumbs down because of that.

Fair or not fair - I didn't know what was causing my problems before you told me about iGetter!
(The older version of safari worked flawlessly)

SpaceMonkey · Apr 16, 2005, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by badidea

Fair or not fair - I didn't know what was causing my problems before you told me about iGetter!
(The older version of safari worked flawlessly)

In general, if software isn't working right, and you have 3rd party add-ons installed, always suspect the add-ons.

Software troubleshooting 101.

osxisfun · Apr 16, 2005, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey

In general, if software isn't working right, and you have 3rd party add-ons installed, always suspect the add-ons.

Software troubleshooting 101.

reason#1132 that _I_ do not use haxies.

alphasubzero949 · Apr 16, 2005, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by desertmac

Has anyone tried using an OLDER version of PithHelmet with Safari. I didn't like the new version with the menu item so I've been using 0.7.3. Disabled it before I did the install of 3.9 but sure would like PithHelmet back.

Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks.

See my reply earlier in this thread.

analogika · Apr 16, 2005, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by osxisfun

reason#1132 that _I_ do not use haxies.

*ding*

OreoCookie · Apr 16, 2005, 05:47 PM

Wow, online banking finally works!!

analogika · Apr 16, 2005, 06:01 PM

Sparkasse online banking has worked just fine for me for quite a while.

RonnieoftheRose · Apr 16, 2005, 06:16 PM

Looks like all those times I filled out the Safari bug report worked.

What were you doing? Surfing.
What happened? Safari crashed because its crap.

The download manager displays bitrate now.

desertmac · Apr 16, 2005, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by alphasubzero949

See my reply earlier in this thread.

Thanks. Got it to work some . . . but got an error message from PithHelmet each time I launched Safari. Will wait for (what I hope will be quick) the update . . .

Thanks for the quick reply.

Dale Sorel · Apr 16, 2005, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

Why do I get the feeling Apple should have spent more time beta testing 10.3.9?

More time... are you out of you freakin' mind... how long has it been since the 10.3.8 update

OreoCookie · Apr 16, 2005, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by analogika

Sparkasse online banking has worked just fine for me for quite a while.

I am with Shitti Bank, until now I had to use Camino.

Diggory Laycock · 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by RonnieoftheRose

The download manager displays bitrate now.

Always did - you just had to (option?) click the filesize - it was a toggle.

I wish the little icon in the download window were a true icon proxy.

[edit] - wow, just checked out Safari's new AppleScript Dictionary - it's huge. And tabs are accessible via applescript - excellent.

CharlesS · Apr 16, 2005, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Diggory Laycock

[edit] - wow, just checked out Safari's new AppleScript Dictionary - it's huge. And tabs are accessible via applescript - excellent.

Huh? It looks the same as the old one to me...

f1000 · Apr 16, 2005, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by OreoCookie

I am with Shitti Bank, until now I had to use Camino.

Shitti Bank worked just fine for me under the previous Safari. There was a time before that that Safari had trouble loading account data, but that problem's been fixed for awhile.

mintcake · Apr 16, 2005, 09:25 PM

Not at all happy that 10.3.9 has put several new bookmarks onto my bookmarks bar in Safari without any kind of warning. Even less happy that they're almost all big US corps, despite the fact that I'm not in the US. OK it takes all of thirty seconds to fix, but why should I have to?

Peabo · Apr 16, 2005, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by stevesnj

I've had nothing but problems with Saari since the update...it takes longer to load pages and is at least 25% slower...any ideas on how to fix?...tried resetting, empty cache,...any preferences ok to delete?

I have the same problem, Safari is now like being on dialup again. I'm on a 17" powerbook too.

alphasubzero949 · Apr 16, 2005, 10:41 PM

Okay; PithHelmet 2.3 is now out.

WizOSX · Apr 16, 2005, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by stevesnj
I've had nothing but problems with Saari since the update...it takes longer to load pages and is at least 25% slower...any ideas on how to fix?...tried resetting, empty cache,...any preferences ok to delete?

Originally posted by z0ne81
I have the same problem, Safari is now like being on dialup again. I'm on a 17" powerbook too.

I have had the same results. Safari now takes at least twice as long to start up after you click in the dock. But worse, some of the sites that I use most frequently are now far slower. Far more sites are slower than faster. I definitely prefer Safari 1.2 over 1.3.

Weyland-Yutani · Apr 16, 2005, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

It's crappy that you're having a bad experience, but the response to 10.3.9 has been overwhelmingly positive.

No problems with 10.3.9 but a whole lot of crap with Safari 1.3

Weyland-Yutani · Apr 16, 2005, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by Dale Sorel

More time... are you out of you freakin' mind... how long has it been since the 10.3.8 update

Not long enough

alphasubzero949 · Apr 16, 2005, 10:56 PM

The Java problem is cropping up on other boards and Mac sites, so this is not an isolated incident. I also checked the Java version in the Terminal to find it broken. Reapplying Security Update 2005-002 fixed it.

Tsk tsk Apple...

Peabo · Apr 16, 2005, 10:57 PM

It's not just Safari, but every borwser I use takes ages to load up pages. Download speeds are fine and I know it's not my internet connection since my PC renders the same pages really fast.

WizOSX · Apr 16, 2005, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by alphasubzero949
The Java problem is cropping up on other boards and Mac sites, so this is not an isolated incident. I also checked the Java version in the Terminal to find it broken. Reapplying Security Update 2005-002 fixed it.

I just reapplied to Security Update 2005-002 and it did nothing for me. The email interface that my employer uses was always brutally slow in OSX right from the get go but very slowly improved with each successive iteration of OSX to the point where it was finally OK. I'd say that Safari 1.3/ 10.3.9 has taken it back to pre-Jaguar levels! The analogy to dialup is just about right. I wish I could snap my fingers and go back to 10.3.8.

alphasubzero949 · Apr 16, 2005, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by WizOSX

I just reapplied to Security Update 2005-002 and it did nothing for me. The email interface that my employer uses was always brutally slow in OSX right from the get go but very slowly improved with each successive iteration of OSX to the point where it was finally OK. I'd say that Safari 1.3/ 10.3.9 has taken it back to pre-Jaguar levels! The analogy to dialup is just about right. I wish I could snap my fingers and go back to 10.3.8.

To check to see if the security update fixed it, open Terminal and type java -version

If you get "segmentation fault," it's broken.

Have you also tried re-installing Java 1.4.2 Update 2?

WizOSX · Apr 16, 2005, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by alphasubzero949
If you get "segmentation fault," it's broken.

It comes back with:

java version "1.4.2_05"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_05-141.4)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-38, mixed mode)

alphasubzero949 · Apr 17, 2005, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by WizOSX

It comes back with:

java version "1.4.2_05"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_05-141.4)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-38, mixed mode)

Your issues are definitely not Java-related. Is this Safari-specific?

WizOSX · Apr 17, 2005, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by alphasubzero949
Your issues are definitely not Java-related. Is this Safari-specific?

Yes. I just tried IE and the email interface was very quick--incredible difference between IE and Safari 1.3!!

alphasubzero949 · Apr 17, 2005, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by WizOSX

Yes. I just tried IE and the email interface was very quick--incredible difference between IE and Safari 1.3!!

Assuming you have no third party mods to Safari...

I'm going to go out on a limb and suspect that the real issue lies with compatibility. If another browser such as Firefox or Netscape gives you the same results as seen with IE, you can suspect that Safari itself has a problem with rendering. That would rule out 10.3.9 as the culprit.

Has this always been the case prior to updating Safari to 1.3 with this update?

If so, you'll either have to (a) convince your IT/webmasters to look into Safari compatibility or (b) send a bug report from Safari.

There's always (c): use a different browser.

Kate · 01:22 AM

Pith Helmet 2.3 is out and claims full compatibility with Safari1.3

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/10752

alphasubzero949 · Apr 17, 2005, 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by Kate

Pith Helmet 2.3 is out and claims full compatibility with Safari1.3

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/10752

It's just basically the same fix that I reported earlier.

WizOSX · Apr 17, 2005, 01:09 AM

Originally posted by alphasubzero949
Has this always been the case prior to updating Safari to 1.3 with this update?

Safari 1.2 was just fine yesterday with the email interface. All this only happened after 1.3/10.3.9 was installed today.

alphasubzero949 · Apr 17, 2005, 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by WizOSX

Safari 1.2 was just fine yesterday with the email interface. All this only happened after 1.3/10.3.9 was installed today.

Apparently JavaScript also breaks under Safari 1.3:
http://www.macfixit.com/

I wish I could help, but I think I've exhausted all of the previous possibilities. Try seeing if anything therein can do something for your situation. I myself have experienced some sites dependent on JavaScript go haywire after the update.

E's Lil Theorem · Apr 17, 2005, 03:51 AM

Originally Posted by analogika

Sparkasse online banking has worked just fine for me for quite a while.

Bank of America online banking has worked for me since Safari debuted, though it wasn't officially supported. Actually, it might have even worked with the beta version of Safari, but I don't recall exactly.

Randman · Apr 17, 2005, 03:55 AM

BoA has always worked fine for me on Safari.

If people are still having troubles, try the Combo updated. It solved everything except the bookmark folders issue (when you click on Open In Tabs, it opens everything in that section, regardless of nested folders.

WizOSX · Apr 17, 2005, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by Randman
If people are still having troubles, try the Combo updated.

I just tried the Combo updater. I had used the delta the first time. But still the same problems. Also, now my Powerbook's fan runs continuously, which it didn't in 10.3.8. (1.33mhz, 1.25gb RAM).

Weyland-Yutani · Apr 17, 2005, 09:44 AM

I have managed to get Safari 1.3 up and working

I put English highest on the list in International (in SysPrefs) and whammo -- Safari works.

A few more days of beta testing, yes. But it does work more or less.

jamil5454 · Apr 17, 2005, 10:30 AM

I'm not sure if I get lucky, or it's just that you don't hear enough success stories, but 10.3.9 is working perfect for me. I'm on an iBook G4 1.2, and I haven't had one single software problem since I bought it in October.

One question though - Is there any way to "fool" the site into thinking that I'm using a Mozilla-based browser when I'm actually using Safari? My content management _almost_ works with the new Safari 1.3, but it works fine with Mozilla 1.7.

fartguru · Apr 17, 2005, 11:11 AM

Rev D PB 12", 768 MB RAM ...

Updated last night, and everything seemed groovy. When I got up this morning the pb wouldn't wake from sleep using the bluetooth kb and mouse like it usually does. When I finally got in using the pb keyboard the bluetooth devices wouldn't be recognized. I turned the bluetooth off and couldn't turn it back on (option was greyed out)

Restarted (took a long time) and the login window said 'safe mode' ... wtf? Logged in anyway and the bluetooth module was missing?!

Shut the computer down and waited a bit, then powered up again. *whew* ... everything seems ok now. Startup time was back to normal and no 'safe mode' message on the login window. Bluetooth seems to be working fine too.

FYI for anyone else that might be having the same problem I guess ... btw everything else seems great, esp Safari.

Cadaver · Apr 17, 2005, 11:28 AM

Two days now and the fans in my DP2.5GHz machine are still running much quieter than they ever did in 10.3.7 or 10.3.8!!

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Apr 17, 2005, 11:38 AM

My Dual G5 is the quietest it has ever been. Even that annoying electrical sound seems to have gone down.

fisherKing · Apr 17, 2005, 11:53 AM

funny to do this so close to 10.4...

safari, faster.

crashes every time i go to "show all bookmarks"

pithhelmet just updated!

no fan yet on my 1.33 12" powerbook

so, except for above, so far...everything works.

not gonna stress, since tiger is 12 days away!

fulmer · Apr 17, 2005, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by jamil5454

One question though - Is there any way to "fool" the site into thinking that I'm using a Mozilla-based browser when I'm actually using Safari? My content management _almost_ works with the new Safari 1.3, but it works fine with Mozilla 1.7.

Use a safari utility (like http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/10482 ) to enable the debug menu and via that change your user agent ID.

rambo47 · Apr 17, 2005, 12:56 PM

I've upgraded two computers so far, no problems on either.

PowerBook G4 (Gigabit Ethernet, 667 MHz)
1 GB RAM, no haxies.

PowerMac QuickSilver (DP 1 GHz)
1 GB RAM, Unsanity's FruitMenu, Application Enhancer installed.

Smooth sailing with both, and MAN, Safari is FAST!!

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Apr 17, 2005, 02:00 PM

So does Apple have a link up yet that gives every detail of what was fixed?

Douglashh · Apr 17, 2005, 02:02 PM

Thought I had escaped all the reported problems. No Java problems at all.

However, just tried the show all bookmarks and Safari crashed. Send the crash report to Apple.

Have NO 3rd party apps related to Safari installed except Safari Enhancer.

Anyone found a solution for this one yet? Is this fixed by reinstalling the security update?

Thanks,

alphasubzero949 · Apr 17, 2005, 02:16 PM

Safari Enhancer is bad news for Safari 1.3. See developer's forum for info (from VT).

kcmac · Apr 17, 2005, 02:32 PM

Show all bookmarks works here fine on both machines. We are using no haxies on either machine.

Garage81 · Apr 17, 2005, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by alphasubzero949

PithHelmet users:

To fix the "break" until an update comes out...

Use Property List Editor or BBEdit to open /Library/Application Support/SIMBL/Plugins/PithHelmet.bundle/Contents/info.plist

Where you see MaxBundleVersion, change the value to 312. Save and relaunch Safari.

i love you. thank you.

jamil5454 · Apr 17, 2005, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by fulmer

Use a safari utility (like http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/10482 ) to enable the debug menu and via that change your user agent ID.

Thanks. Will do.

Photo678 · Apr 17, 2005, 06:02 PM

can anyone check this for me....its garbled at the bottom for me.

http://www.friendster.com/info/learnmore.php