[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by itai195 

It was pretty much the same thing with the PS2 in its first year. It didn't have much in the way of great launch games -- a crappy Tekken, SSX, and Madden?

Yup the PS2 launch titles were pretty damn bad also. 6 months later it was golden.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by Jolt21 

is nextgen worldwide sales? i thought it was only USA, because then their numbers would make perfect sense with the post you just made. if you subtract canada from the 320000, you have around 290000.

if it is worldside, then yea, their numbers are totally wrong.

i cant see the website b/c i'm at work.

Nextgen's numbers are supposed to be worldwide:

The next generation of gaming is upon us, and the console wars has begun. NexGen Wars.com has spent countless hours researching sales facts from dozens of sources to track the worldwide sales of the consoles and monitor the next generation of console wars between the Microsoft Xbox 360, the Sony Playstation 3, and the Nintendo Wii. Remember, these numbers are only estimates, but they are constantly monitored and upated to assure the closest estimates possible for the Xbox 360, Playstation 3, and Wii.

As of right now, they are claiming:
360 - 7 290 153
PS3 - 275 530
Wii - 741 012

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by itai195 

It was pretty much the same thing with the PS2 in its first year. It didn't have much in the way of great launch games -- a crappy Tekken, SSX, and Madden?

DOA 2 was good, and it could play DVDs — that was the killer app for a lot of people, I think.

[itai195]

Who knows, maybe a lot of people want Blu-Ray and like waiting in long lines

[Eug]

Blue Dragon for the Xbox 360 ships on 3 DVDs.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Eug 

Blue Dragon for the Xbox 360 ships on 3 DVDs.

Thank you blue ray.

[starman]

Popped in a CD.

Grabbed the CD information, played.

God, I love this thing.

The cool part? The default import format is AAC 128.

Bye, bye DVD player.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 

Thank you blue ray.

Blu-Ray's capacity is less than twice than of HD-DVD. If it takes multiple disks on Xbox, it'll probably take multiple disks on PS3.

[starman]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

Blu-Ray's capacity is less than twice than of HD-DVD. If it takes multiple disks on Xbox, it'll probably take multiple disks on PS3.

That depends. BR can get up to 50GB. It might be that the way the game was split necessitated 3 discs, but the total amount of data MIGHT fit on one BR. At worst, it'll be 2 BR discs.

[Hawkeye_a]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 

Thank you blue ray.

yes thank you blu-ray...for so so many games. lol

[starman]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a 

yes thank you blu-ray...for so so many games. lol

Troll much?

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

Blu-Ray's capacity is less than twice than of HD-DVD. If it takes multiple disks on Xbox, it'll probably take multiple disks on PS3.

The game was shipped on 3 DVD's, therefore it could fit on Bluray.

[TETENAL]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

Blu-Ray's capacity is less than twice than of HD-DVD. If it takes multiple disks on Xbox, it'll probably take multiple disks on PS3.

The XBOX doesn't have HD-DVD for games.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

Blu-Ray's capacity is less than twice than of HD-DVD. If it takes multiple disks on Xbox, it'll probably take multiple disks on PS3.

Sorry champ but MS has sworn that games will only come on DVD not HD-DVD.

PS3 is Blu-ray standard.

[starman]

Bought a memory card adapter. I imported all my PS1 and PS2 cards onto the internal hard drive. Crash Bandicoot 2 was the only title I tested so far, but it worked fine.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 

Sorry champ but MS has sworn that games will only come on DVD not HD-DVD.

Really? That's retarded. I wonder why.

[Weezer]

because the HD-DVD drive does not come standard, it would be confusing to consumers and cut your target market.

[DuckRacer1]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

Really? That's retarded. I wonder why.

Because it'd raise the console price and it would divide the user base a lot.

[Hawkeye_a]

Originally Posted by starman 

Troll much?

Just a little i learned from the best

[starman]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a 

Just a little i learned from the best

Didn't you promise not to ever come into this thread anymore?

[Millennium]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

Really? That's retarded. I wonder why.

Two reasons: Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles and The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures. These are two of the best games available for the GameCube, yet even among Cube users, many people refused to buy them because they required hardware that didn't come with the GameCube (GBAs, which the games use as controllers).

Microsoft, it seems, has learned from this so-called mistake, and wants to play it safer.

[Teronzhul]

This is one thing that I've never understood to be a serious problem, while Sony has touted it as a primary benefit. Using 1 disc instead of 3 is only of minor benefit. If you're too lazy to get up twice during a 50 hour game, well, I feel bad for you.

If we were looking at games taking up 10 dvds or more, then I could see the necessity to increase storage capacity. Few games currently exceed the capacity for even 1 dvd9.

Bluray is an expensive solution looking for a problem in the game world. It makes sense for the storage needs of HD movies, but not for most games.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

Really? That's retarded. I wonder why.

Because they have sold 7 million Xbox's with no HD-DVD drives so to make it a HD-DVD disk isn't fair.

It is also probably cheaper for THEM to do 3 DVD's over 1 HD-DVD.

[Eug Wanker]

PS3 loses more exclusives

Koei, long time PlayStation supporter (and company frequently billed as key support to win the generation) has pulled Fatal Inertia and Blade Storm: The Hundred Years' War from the PS3 exclusive list and plopped them squarely into the Xbox 360 camp. Another PlayStation staple, the Armored Core series, is also coming to the white box in the form of Armored Core 4.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by Eug 

The press release was 400000 for North America, and 100000 for Japan.

Then it was cut down to 80000 in Japan, yet they shipped 88400 in Japan. They never updated the 400000 number for North America.

Let's say NA was cut down by a similar amount as Japan, ie. To 80% of the previous estimate. That would mean 320000 for NA.

320000+88000 = 408000

Even if you subtracted 100000 units from that, you're still left with 308000, which is way more than what nextgen is claiming.

Eug, you don't know what you're talking about!

Analyst: PlayStation 3 shipments below forecast

McNealy said his research indicated that Sony's initial unit numbers for its launch weekend in North America were in the range of 125,000 to 175,000, including some of the 15,000 units SNE was sending to retailers for interactive kiosks.

"This number is below our previously lowered expectations of 250,000 to 300,000," he said.

"We previously expected Sony to be able to still make a calendar year 2006 North American and Japan shipment number of 2 million, but those numbers are now under review," McNealy said.

Sony spokesman Dave Karraker Wednesday reiterated Sony's goal of shipping 1 million PS3s to the United States, and 2 billion globally, by year end.

[starman]

They make it sound like the PS3's are going to affect the national debt.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by starman 

They make it sound like the PS3's are going to affect the national debt.

Maybe not the national debt, but definitely Sony's.

P.S. Tried Resistance yet? Please post a pic of the screen you get when you launch it.

[Jim Paradise]

Originally Posted by Millennium 

Two reasons: Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles and The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures. These are two of the best games available for the GameCube, yet even among Cube users, many people refused to buy them because they required hardware that didn't come with the GameCube (GBAs, which the games use as controllers).

Microsoft, it seems, has learned from this so-called mistake, and wants to play it safer.

Crystal Chronicles was considered one of the best games? I tried my hardest to get into it, and while it was pretty, the gameplay was very lame and the music was incredibly annoying. I see more copies of that in used games stores than any other GameCube title. (Apologies, though, if you happened to really enjoy it.)

Anyway, I don't see what the fuss is over having a few discs for a game instead of one. Does this really matter to most gamers?

[Eug Wanker]

I generally dislike multiple discs for games. Then again, I generally dislike pre-recorded cut scenes even more in games.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker 

Maybe not the national debt, but definitely Sony's.

What's the big deal though? I don't care if they lose money they aren't going to go out of business overnight.

I like it when a company loses money from selling me products at a loss.

[Dark Helmet]

10% of all PS3's on ebay:
PS3 Grey Marketwatch: ~10% of All PS3s on Ebay - Gizmodo

That's not so bad.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 

10% of all PS3's on ebay:
PS3 Grey Marketwatch: ~10% of All PS3s on Ebay - Gizmodo

That's not so bad.

The rest are on Craigslist.

EDIT: Damn, the article itself beat me to the punchline.

[Teronzhul]

I just flipped through the ebay auctions for kicks. I see a LOT of ebay auctions for them asking over $1k that have 0 bids ending soon, and I see several that are just over retail currently with less than half an hour remaining.

Either the demand simply isn't close to what it was for the ps2, or there are a lot more ps3s available than crazy people willing to pay anything for them.

I remember after the ps2 launch the damn things were going for ridiculous prices for months after the release.

I also just flipped through craigslist, and locally saw several ps3s listed over and over with no takers. Each time the price has been drastically lowered.

[Hawkeye_a]

Originally Posted by starman 

Didn't you promise not to ever come into this thread anymore?

yeah, i changed my mind. besides, the consoles are all out now, and well.... i like the fact that my side of the argument (basic economics) seems to be winning. so there.

[starman]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a 

yeah, i changed my mind. besides, the consoles are all out now, and well.... i like the fact that my side of the argument (basic economics) seems to be winning. so there.

Too bad your console doesn't seem to be getting the kind of praise you'd think it would have this whole time.

Oh, yeah, I'm typing this on my PS3

[Hawkeye_a]

really ? sales figures, attach rates, profit forecasts and stock levels seem to be indicating he contrary.

[starman]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a 

really ? sales figures, attach rates, profit forecasts and stock levels seem to be indicating he contrary.

Is that the best you can do? Seriously, we know why the attach rates are low, we know why the sales rates are low. Remember the PS2?

You're grasping, and it's SO DAMN OBVIOUS.

[Hawkeye_a]

Originally Posted by starman 

Is that the best you can do? Seriously, we know why the attach rates are low, we know why the sales rates are low. Remember the PS2?

You're grasping, and it's SO DAMN OBVIOUS.

Um no...im not a fanboy. i havent played through a single mario game and only played one zelda game and owned only one nintendo console and portable ever.

And yeah i remember the PS2....i remember it was a year ahead of the competition when it was released, so it could afford to have a shitty launch line up, low supply and be over priced. Fastforward to the present... the XB360 has been on shelves a year, and the Wii is launching globally before the PS3....and then there's price.

So my friend...the PS2 cannot be compared to the PS3.... it might be developed by the same engineers carry the brand of the same company, but the circumstances that made the PS2 succesful arent here today to aid the PS3. fanboy !

[starman]

No, the DREAMCAST was out a year BEFORE the PS2.

Learn your history.

[Hawkeye_a]

And the PS2 was not out a year before the XBox and GameCube ?

The Dreamcast lacked marketing, and SEGA launched consoles to close, which lead to a lack of faih i nhe market place (why buy now, when in a year or 2 a new console will be put out?).

And no, the N64 came first. u next.

[starman]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a 

And the PS2 was not out a year before the XBox and GameCube ?

The Dreamcast lacked marketing, and SEGA launched consoles to close, which lead to a lack of faih i nhe market place (why buy now, when in a year or 2 a new console will be put out?).

And no, the N64 came first. u next.

It doesn't matter....the Dreamcast came out a year before the PS2 and the PS2 still won. Your argument is wrong.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a 

really ? sales figures, attach rates, profit forecasts and stock levels seem to be indicating he contrary.

Again none of those things make Zelda less jaggy or gives us more games for the Wii or PS3.

I want a good quality system that works like I want it to and is entertaining weather I am watching a HD movie or playing a fun game. If the Wii had HD than I would be thrilled. Right now I can't even find a component cable to get 480p. I'm scared to see what the Wii looks like on my TV.

Stocks, sales, market-share, profit forecasts are a stupid way to decide on what system you want.

Look at Mac's.

[Hawkeye_a]

Then why did u get a PS2 ? oh yeah 1080i on that one game :rollseyes: thats what made it a "better" system.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a 

Then why did u get a PS2 ? oh yeah 1080i on that one game :rollseyes: thats what made it a "better" system.

No I got it because I was bored with my n64 and it's 2 games.

I didn't get a PS2 until a YEAR after it came out and it was my first playstation. Glad I did as there ended up being so many games for it I love like the Ratchet and Jak series.

[starman]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a 

Then why did u get a PS2 ? oh yeah 1080i on that one game :rollseyes: thats what made it a "better" system.

You sound desperate.

Originally Posted by starman 

Wow.

What a f'n awesome machine.

So, now that I've come down to Earth...

(and on and on, upping my jealousy factor )

So, how did you score a unit, anyway? How much did you pay?

[starman]

Originally Posted by screamingFit 

So, how did you score a unit, anyway? How much did you pay?

I called GS looking for a Wii, and my buddy who works there said "No Wiis, but we got a PS3. Want it?"

$499.

[OB1]

Originally Posted by starman 

Oh, yeah, I'm typing this on my PS3

Oh too cool. I was really pleased when I read this - This is the lightest of first impressions, granted, but the thing looks and acts like a $600 piece of hardware... My PS3 hype builds...

My Wii hype is off the scale - managed to secure a Wii + Extra controllers + Wii Play + Zelda for the Uk launch day, (8th December) after refreshing Amazon for 40 minutes on Tuesday morning.

[starman]

I've had the thing for a day and I'm still looking through the features list.

Backing up my PS1/PS2 cards was something I absoltely loved. All that work, now able to be backed up.

I bought the 20GB knowing it didn't have WiFi support, but what I didn't know is that the Remote Play feature ONLY works with WiFi now (emphasis on the word "now"). The ability to feed the PS3 output to your PSP is something I was itching to try, but can't. There are rumors of it working with a USB WiFi adapter, but with it being a holiday, I don't expect too many people to try it out until the weekend.

My Dazzle USB card reader didn't work. I'm trying to find a model that will.

My Dell USB thumb drive worked well. I was able to read pics from it, movies, and music. I was also able to back up my RR7 game save to it.

Despite the fact that I had a PS2 and a DVD player upstairs, I'm seriously thinking about dumping the DVD player now. The PS3 is just THAT good as a DVD player.

The Blu-Ray drive fires up a movie in a fraction of the time my Samsung BR player does.

I haven't tried my Bluetooth keyboard/mouse yet, but they're supposed to work.

System Options has settings for keyboard repeat, mouse speed, etc.

Originally Posted by starman 

I called GS looking for a Wii, and my buddy who works there said "No Wiis, but we got a PS3. Want it?"

$499.

I hate you.