[abe]

What do You Enjoy Doing Less Than "Perfectly?"

I like to swim but I have crappy technique.

I don't care. I do it and enjoy it.

But I once walked away from a possible career as a firefighter because I was impossibly weak at an important aspect of the job.

If I can do a thing well and can see nothing that might prevent my reaching the top I will do it and keep trying to improve. But the minute I see that I can't possibly be the best at it, I lose interest.

What do You Enjoy Doing Less Than "Perfectly?"

[Railroader]

Golf. I suck, but a morning on the course with good friends is a treasure.

Also guitar. I sound horrible, but i love the feel of the guitar body reverberating and the warm rich sound of a chord played well.

[Aquataris]

I enjoy composing on GarageBand. I am really good at it, but nothing ever turns out as well as I want without hours of polishing thanks to the weird little quirks of GB that are still being overlooked every time it is updated. I eventually get everything to sound they way I want it to but I figure it is the closest thing to not complete satisfaction with a hobby that I have.

[CollinG3G4]

Originally Posted by Aquataris 

I enjoy composing on GarageBand. I am really good at it, but nothing ever turns out as well as I want without hours of polishing thanks to the weird little quirks of GB that are still being overlooked every time it is updated. I eventually get everything to sound they way I want it to but I figure it is the closest thing to not complete satisfaction with a hobby that I have.

I feel your pain bro.

[Aquataris]

I think that if they just asked a handful of serious users to point out it's blatant and inexcusable yet incredibly fixable flaws, they would be able to make GB shine; but then again... Maybe they leave these flaws in there to make the big bucks on people buying bigger better Macs for use with Pro Tools.

[SeSawaya]

Originally Posted by Aquataris 

I think that if they just asked a handful of serious users to point out it's blatant and inexcusable yet incredibly fixable flaws, they would be able to make GB shine; but then again... Maybe they leave these flaws in there to make the big bucks on people buying bigger better Macs for use with Pro Tools.

I tracked my entire last album on that little program. Now I use Logic, but I tell you the simplicity of GB and what you can do with it are amazing considering the cost.

But yes, fix it.

[Cold Warrior]

Console/computer games. I suck at them, so I put them on easy and use cheat codes when available just to have fun and burn time.

[Big Mac]

Absolutely not. I'm a bit of a perfectionist. If I can't do something well, I'd rather not do it.

[design219]

Originally Posted by Atheist 

My grasp of the English language, especially grammar and writing in general, could be much better.

Yup, i are to. I spellti bad to.



* Wow, neat trick making my post higher up the page!

[andi*pandi]

Fhings that are just for fun but far from perfection: bowling, pool, wii games. (I cheat at wii games when I get stuck, it's the experience that's fun for me not necessarily figuring everything out.)

For things like sports, I think there's levels where for most people perfection is not an option. Just do it.

[design219]

Fly fishing.

I'm not bad...been doing it since my dad taught me as a kid, but I'd sure like to be perfect. (and have more time to do it)

[Dakar the Fourth]

I believe the obvious answer here is sex.

[design219]

Problems there, eh?

[Dakar the Fourth]

Not for me, if you catch my drift.

[Laminar]

Guitar. My equipment sucks and I'm not very good, but I do enjoy it.

Basketball. I rarely take shots and my court vision is poor, but I'm 6'5", so I can't be bad, right?

Cooking. I have a few dishes that I really like making, but besides that I'm kind of lost.

[Atheist]

I'm an insane perfectionist. Needless to say, I drive myself crazy.

My grasp of the English language, especially grammar and writing in general, could be much better. But I'm not going to give up speaking and writing just because I'm not perfect at it.

[Dakar the Fourth]

Originally Posted by Atheist 

My grasp of the English language, especially grammar and writing in general, could be much better.

I may be thinking of someone else, but aren't you a US Citizen?

[King Bob On The Cob]

Originally Posted by Dakar the Fourth 

Not for me, if you catch my drift.

Yes, not having any would prevent someone from having problems...

[Dakar the Fourth]

Ugg, that was a little convoluted, aside from not making sense.

[Atheist]

Originally Posted by Dakar the Fourth 

I may be thinking of someone else, but aren't you a US Citizen?

Yes. But I'm always striving to enhance my writing and speaking skills. I've alway thought they were mediocre at best... certainly not perfect. The OP asked what do we enjoy doing less than perfectly.

[Dakar the Fourth]

Ah, I totally get it now. Perhaps I just take these things for granted. (Also, being exposed to average person certainly will make you feel like you're doing it perfectly by comparison)

[subego]

Originally Posted by abe 

But I once walked away from a possible career as a firefighter because I was impossibly weak at an important aspect of the job.

Was that swimming, or something else?

[Oisín]

My grasp of the English language, especially grammar and writing in general, could be much better. But I'm not going to give up speaking and writing just because I'm not perfect at it.

I feel that way about every language I have any knowledge of, including both my native language and English. But when it comes to languages, I’m not sure ‘perfectionist’ is really adequate to describe me.

Something I love to do, but unfortunately do very badly, is singing. I can’t imagine not singing along with music (it’s a struggle when listening to my iPod in public), but I’m woefully adept at sending cats and dogs fleeing as soon as I open my gob.

[alligator]

I've been trying to NOT show up on time lately. Like today, I was 10 minutes late for a large conference. It didn't matter one bit. This is a drastic change for me since I used to be very worried if I wasn't early for everything. I'm trying to enjoy life more.

[liviabush]

Well I like paiting and used to learn little about it. Now I still paited badly but I do enjoy it.

[Oisín]

Originally Posted by liviabush 

Well I like paiting and used to learn little about it. Now I still paited badly but I do enjoy it.

You like eating raw chicken with spatulas?!?

I've been trying to NOT show up on time lately. Like today, I was 10 minutes late for a large conference. It didn't matter one bit. This is a drastic change for me since I used to be very worried if I wasn't early for everything. I'm trying to enjoy life more.

I’m terrible at being on time, but being late is not something I enjoy doing, so it doesn’t really fit into the thread.

[faragbre967]

Bowling. I can never get higher than around 130-140 but I still love to play.

[xi_hyperon]

Playing guitar. I stopped devoting serious time to it years ago, and my chops are a bit rusty as a result. However, I still like to play now and then, mistakes and all.

[dampeoples]

Fishing. I like to go, have some of the nicest fishing gear you can buy, but pretty much suck at it horribly.

[Atomic Rooster]

Originally Posted by design219 

Fly fishing.

I'm not bad...been doing it since my dad taught me as a kid, but I'd sure like to be perfect. (and have more time to do it)

Try fishing for fish instead. Flies are too damn little and hard to hook. If you do get lucky they don't have much meat. The drum sticks are pretty tasty tho.

Golfing. Had to give it up. The Pro said I was killing too many worms. I told him it was hard to hit the ball with bent clubs. Damn I was really imperfect at it but I'd be drunk by the fifth hole.

[gradient]

I'm less then perfect at absolutely everything and that's fine. I imagine just about everyone is.

[brassplayersrock²]

posting on interweb forums

[Laminar]

What?

[cjrivera]

Golfing. I only golf in scrambles (and then usually for a fund raiser of some sort which are few and far between), and that's only so the rest of my team can get a good laugh, but it's usually a good time.

Parenting. I don't know if there are any perfect parents out there, and I'm far from it, but as for enjoying it... I wouldn't trade them for anything in the world. (Disclaimer: They're not teens yet, so I reserve the right to retract my prior comments at a later date.)

[Gamoe]

Video games and now skateboarding, a lot of other things come to think of it. Because, when it comes to "fun" things, I find that "doing it perfectly" is doing it in a fashion where you and your friends have fun, not where you win all the time, which admittedly could actually take the fun *out* of the game, instead.

Actually, I have some issues with a friend of mine who takes games (whether pool or dominoes, etc.) very seriously, and plays with a goal to win, while I take it in a very non-serious, casual way, giving more importance to the conversation that the gameplay. Suffice to say, it is very frustrating for him, and his way is very frustrating for me, so usually find something less "controversial" to do instead.

Practice and persistence are good qualities, but abandoning something otherwise fun simply because you can't be the top guy seems a little bit egotistical to me.

Originally Posted by Oisín 

I feel that way about every language I have any knowledge of, including both my native language and English. But when it comes to languages, I’m not sure ‘perfectionist’ is really adequate to describe me.

The more you know, the more you realise how little you know. That's just a humble statement of fact, Oisín. No one can be an expert at every language. But the fact that you continue to learn and better yourself, and humbly at that, does indeed make you better and better at what you do.

Originally Posted by Oisín 

I
Something I love to do, but unfortunately do very badly, is singing. I can’t imagine not singing along with music (it’s a struggle when listening to my iPod in public), but I’m woefully adept at sending cats and dogs fleeing as soon as I open my gob.

Singing, eh? Gotta make an audio file sometime...

[Doofy]

Sleeping. I enjoy it immensely, but I'm really quite bad at it.

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Oh, and for all those GarageBand peeps up there... ...it's a toy, you're not supposed to be able to make anything good on it. Heck, it isn't even good training for working your way up to a proper system.

[Apemanblues]

Time travel and necromancy.

[MacosNerd]

Unfortunately, I'm not a perfect human being so there's nothing I can do perfectly in the first place. I can be a "perfectionist" but I find that any hobby I choose is not so I can do it perfectly, but rather for enjoyment.
I like to run, but I'm not the fastest runner.
I like to program, but I'm not the best programmer
I like to work around the house but I'm not the handiest person in the world.

[Aquataris]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Oh, and for all those GarageBand peeps up there... ...it's a toy, you're not supposed to be able to make anything good on it. Heck, it isn't even good training for working your way up to a proper system.

Some of us can't afford the real stuff and have ended up finding ways to make our GB tracks every bit as good as anything done on Pro Tools. I know I have been asked how I make such professional tracks. This toy has every bit as much potential as the people using it. Once there is a way to split two tracks while still carrying over a note, anything is possible with GB. Every flaw besides that one can be worked around. Not to mention that finding work-arounds for GB's flaws often take less time than learning how to use any one feature on Pro Tools to its max potential.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Aquataris 

Some of us can't afford the real stuff and have ended up finding ways to make our GB tracks every bit as good as anything done on Pro Tools.

Strange then that all these pro studios bother with ProTools/Logic/DP/Nuendo at all. I mean, a bit of engineer retraining and a copy of iLife they could save themselves tons of money and come out with stuff every bit as good as their previous output.

It's a toy. Period. Just because you don't know that it's not doesn't alter the facts of the matter. You enjoy using it and have made a fun hobby out of it, great - good for you - it's well in keeping with the subject matter of the thread. But don't come out with comments like this...

I think that if they just asked a handful of serious users to point out it's blatant and inexcusable yet incredibly fixable flaws, they would be able to make GB shine; but then again... Maybe they leave these flaws in there to make the big bucks on people buying bigger better Macs for use with Pro Tools.

...and then expect people not to put you right about it.

[Aquataris]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Strange then that all these pro studios bother with ProTools/Logic/DP/Nuendo at all. I mean, a bit of engineer retraining and a copy of iLife they could save themselves tons of money and come out with stuff every bit as good as their previous output.

It's a toy. Period. Just because you don't know that it's not doesn't alter the facts of the matter. You enjoy using it and have made a fun hobby out of it, great - good for you - it's well in keeping with the subject matter of the thread. But don't come out with comments like this...



...and then expect people not to put you right about it.

You didn't put me right about anything at all. They use those tools because they have gigantic studios with everything flowing into a central hub filled with studio mix boards that can hold tons of info about each little mix stored in those types of software. I don't do music as a hobby at all, I am serious about it and the fact that I can get it sounding the way I want on GB alone means that whether or not you want to call it a toy, it did exactly what I intended for it to do. Does that make it a replacement for Pro Tools? I don't know, ask Trent Reznor and Head, Formerly of KoRn. They have both used it for creating entire studio tracks while away from studios. But what do they know, they just make a living off of it. The fact that you took a comment and decided to turn it into an attack on what I do or don't know is pathetic. Also; please direct me towards Apple's disclaimer that GB is a toy.

[abe]

Originally Posted by subego 

Was that swimming, or something else?

I'd passed the written intelligence or aptitude exams. I was working out like an S.O.B. (running laps at the local gym for hours at a time and pumping iron) and getting ready for the physical (which I was certain I would pass).

But my mechanical knowledge was really deficient. Understanding how machines work (a series of cogs, all of them interconnected and dependent, when one turns clockwise which way would the cog move which is 5 cogs away?) building structures, construction techniques, terms and etc. is important to a firefighter and many of the people in the test prep were well versed in the building trades and made me feel like a girly-man.

So I showed up for the physical exam and it was raining slightly but I was jazzed and ready to run up several flights of stairs with an 80Lb. hose pack on my back and the step up and step downs and the back and forth quick sprints. All these years I remember the routines. Well, it was raining too hard for the exams to be held so they rescheduled it for the subsequent weekend, I think. But in the interim I thought about what would it be like to ALWAYS be suckky at the building construction aspects of the job.

I never went back.

If I had it to do over, I'd have given it a shot.

I was an impulsive young man and made my own decisions without asking anyone's counsel. But I wouldn't have listened to anyone's counsel, anyway. Maybe ADD or some crap.

[abe]

Originally Posted by Atomic Rooster 

Try fishing for fish instead. Flies are too damn little and hard to hook. If you do get lucky they don't have much meat. The drum sticks are pretty tasty tho.

Golfing. Had to give it up. The Pro said I was killing too many worms. I told him it was hard to hit the ball with bent clubs. Damn I was really imperfect at it but I'd be drunk by the fifth hole.

Pretty funny stuff!

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Aquataris 

You didn't put me right about anything at all. They use those tools because they have gigantic studios with everything flowing into a central hub filled with studio mix boards that can hold tons of info about each little mix stored in those types of software.

Strange that. I did a mix last night on a MacBook Pro. Just a Mac Book Pro. No big mixer, no gigantic studio.

Guess why I used Logic and not GarageBand.

Originally Posted by Aquataris 

I don't do music as a hobby at all, I am serious about it

No. If you were serious about it you'd live off dry toast for a couple of months and save your food money to go buy Logic - like everyone else who's serious about it does. Heck, it's only 250 quid.

Originally Posted by Aquataris 

and the fact that I can get it sounding the way I want on GB alone means that whether or not you want to call it a toy, it did exactly what I intended for it to do.

No, sorry. Your posts in this thread (which is about what you don't do perfectly) are whining about GarageBand - so it obviously doesn't do what you want it to do.

Originally Posted by Aquataris 

Does that make it a replacement for Pro Tools? I don't know, ask Trent Reznor and Head, Formerly of KoRn. They have both used it for creating entire studio tracks while away from studios.

Here's a clue: They do things like this with toys to give themselves a little inspirational nudge when they're bored. Loads of artistes impose limitations on themselves to see if it brings up anything new. Plus, of course, saying that you've done it all in GB gets you loads of free publicity from Apple.

Originally Posted by Aquataris 

But what do they know, they just make a living off of it.

Yeah, what do I know. I'm only a former professor of music technology turned record producer turned rock star.

Originally Posted by Aquataris 

The fact that you took a comment and decided to turn it into an attack on what I do or don't know is pathetic.

No. There's a bunch of guys up there whining about GarageBand being crap. I simply pointed out why it's crap. You started the argument and turned it into a personal thing.

Originally Posted by Aquataris 

Also; please direct me towards Apple's disclaimer that GB is a toy.

It's given away free of charge in iLife and doesn't have a "Pro" suffix.
Quick, give Hollywood a call and tell 'em to stop spending loads of money on Avid systems - iMovie will do the job just fine.

Perhaps if you were really serious about your music you'd be listening to and learning from people who actually know what they're talking about instead of, say, arguing with them and acting like a lamer geek teenager who thinks he knows best. You're wrong. Period.

Now, if you'd like to carry on this conversation start a new thread instead of continuing to crap in this one.

[xi_hyperon]

Internet pissing contests seems to be a popular hobby.

[MacinTommy]

Originally Posted by faragbre967 

Bowling. I can never get higher than around 130-140 but I still love to play.

Same. I even have my own ball and shoes.
Another thing that I love doing but I'm not perfect at is cooking (with the exception of grilling because I can grill anything perfectly).

[Aquataris]

Originally Posted by xi_hyperon 

Internet pissing contests seems to be a popular hobby.

I think that's why the two n's in the "nnforums" logo are yellow. It's weird how you can't state a personal fact here without somebody starting something stupid.

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Strange that. I did a mix last night on a MacBook Pro. Just a Mac Book Pro. No big mixer, no gigantic studio.

Guess why I used Logic and not GarageBand.



No. If you were serious about it you'd live off dry toast for a couple of months and save your food money to go buy Logic - like everyone else who's serious about it does. Heck, it's only 250 quid.



No, sorry. Your posts in this thread (which is about what you don't do perfectly) are whining about GarageBand - so it obviously doesn't do what you want it to do.



Here's a clue: They do things like this with toys to give themselves a little inspirational nudge when they're bored. Loads of artistes impose limitations on themselves to see if it brings up anything new. Plus, of course, saying that you've done it all in GB gets you loads of free publicity from Apple.



Yeah, what do I know. I'm only a former professor of music technology turned record producer turned rock star.



No. There's a bunch of guys up there whining about GarageBand being crap. I simply pointed out why it's crap. You started the argument and turned it into a personal thing.



It's given away free of charge in iLife and doesn't have a "Pro" suffix.
Quick, give Hollywood a call and tell 'em to stop spending loads of money on Avid systems - iMovie will do the job just fine.

Perhaps if you were really serious about your music you'd be listening to and learning from people who actually know what they're talking about instead of, say, arguing with them and acting like a lamer geek teenager who thinks he knows best. You're wrong. Period.

Now, if you'd like to carry on this conversation start a new thread instead of continuing to crap in this one.

I never started an argument, your smart ass comment that seemed to have zero relevance to anything did. I forgot that GB doesn't use the word Pro, maybe somebody should tell Apple if they want someone to use GB they should stroke their ego by calling said person a Pro right on the box. I didn't say you need a huge mix board for anything, I simply stated that a large studio that has gone all out will go further out with an established program that is taught. I said that GB does EXACTLY what I want it to do and that seemed to upset you. But, Professor Rock Star, you need to realize you can not be right about anything when you start some stupid crap about a subject that is purely opinion. Also, this is a thread about something entirely different than whining about people who like using a program and have stated it's flaws can be fixed easily. I don't care about what you use or what you use on it. MY system can barely handle GB but it's all I have. I already starve for regular everyday things and I came here to state I enjoy GB. Take your pompous rantings on what a "real" serious artist is someplace else. Or even better, write us a ballad about it. As for "lamer geek teenagers" you were the one who had to claim GB is a toy in a thread with at least three people who stated they like using it, and then go further by insulting my perfectly justified post about how it can be used to make music that is worth hearing and therefore is not a toy. I guess some people get defensive when they can't use GB correctly. Please find a less worthwhile thread to derail. I will not respond further, feel free to put in a last word to feel like you have won the opinion contest.

The program used isn't what determines how good the music is, it's the person making the music that determines that.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Aquataris 

I never started an argument, your smart ass comment that seemed to have zero relevance to anything did.

No fool. There's a bunch of people up there, including yourself, pontificating that GarageBand should be fixed. I simply point out that it ain't gonna be fixed because it's a toy, and then you get all precious about your choice of software.

If you weren't so precious about GarageBand and attempting to rigourously defend its honour, there wouldn't be any argument, would there?
You started this argument by taking issue with the fact that someone pointed out that GarageBand is a toy.

Originally Posted by Aquataris 

I said that GB does EXACTLY what I want it to do and that seemed to upset you.

No. You said it can create product which is as good as that which ProTools creates. Which is just plain wrong.

Originally Posted by Aquataris 

I don't care about what you use or what you use on it. MY system can barely handle GB and it's all I have. I already starve for regular everyday things and I came here to state I enjoy GB.

You mean you came here to state that you enjoy GB and whine about Apple not fixing it.

Originally Posted by Aquataris 

As for "lamer geek teenagers"

It was "lamer geek teenager" actually. Singular. Just you.

Originally Posted by Aquataris 

I will not respond further, feel free to put in a last word to feel like you have won the opinion contest.

Oooo. Nice edit to include that bit about "the last word".

Here's the last word then: GarageBand is a toy. Anyone who doesn't think it's a toy is either an idiot or seriously inexperienced. That's a fact, not an opinion.

(There ya go Abe, that's my other thing I enjoy doing but do less than perfectly - arguing with lamers on the Internet. If I was better at it I'd have broke him in a single post. )

[Aquataris]

Another thing I enjoy doing is writing. I wish I could write as quickly as the writers that churn out 5 novels a year, but then again those writers are hardly ever worth reading. I am mostly slow at it because if there is even one flaw or plothole in the story I would probably feel I have failed no matter how good it is otherwise.

[subego]

Originally Posted by abe 

I'd passed the written intelligence or aptitude exams...

Gotcha. Thanks.