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tavilach
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Jul 26, 2004, 05:21 AM
 
I love iPods...we all do. They're pretty, they're small, they're sleek, they sound great, they're completely intuitive...

...and I'm going to own two of them in a matter of weeks.

(I'll probably be selling the Cram and Jam iPod, and keeping the specially engraved one)

My problem, if you can even call it that, is simple...

When do I use my iPod?

Let's examine a typical day...

tavilach: Woot, it's morning! Time for class! Let me gather my books and my [soon-to-be-ordered] PowerBook [yummy]. Oh, and let me brush my teeth. Alrighty...it's off to class I go!
tavilach: ...oh, and I should bring my iPod. I might be in dire need of some music.
tavilach: Taking notes in class is fun!
tavilach: Class is over! I have two hours before my next class. I think I'll go to library, to study with a group of friends.
tavilach: Studying with friends is fun!
tavilach: It's back to class I go!
tavilach: Taking notes...in class...is just...so...fun...
tavilach: Studying...more...with friends...fun...
tavilach: This lunch is pretty nasty.
tavilach: Class...is...the shizzle...
tavilach: Libraries...are...the shizzle...
tavilach: It's 3:00! I'm all done for today. What to do, what to do. Well, I have twelve units, and each unit requires approximately three hours of homework a week. That's 5.14 hours of homework a day, if I want to even be competitive enough to stand a chance at receiving an A (after all, only 15% of the class will get A's...that's the maximum). I think I'll go to the library and get a whole bunch of work done!
tavilach: Procrastinators will rule the world...eventually! I'll go on Adium!
tavilach: Ah, yes...Adium...
tavilach: ...and iTunes.
tavilach: Okay, now it's time to do some work.
tavilach: There. Some of my work is done, and it's time for dinner!
tavilach: That was yummy. Let's see, now. My friends are off to see a movie. I could use a break. It'll only take 5 minutes to walk to the theater...movie, here I come!
tavilach: Sweet! That movie was the shizzle! I think I'll go up to my dorm room and finish up my work.
tavilach: ...while iTunes is playing, of course!
tavilach: It's 2:00, and my work is done. Woot!
tavilach: Hey, look! I didn't know I had this iPod in my pocket!

When I have my laptop, I have iTunes. When I'm in my dorm room, I can blast iTunes, and if I'm in the library, I can just use headphones. No one uses cars, so there's no bringing an iPod into the car.

So, you see...I really don't know when, or where, to use an iPod. When/where do you use your iPods?
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Jul 26, 2004, 05:24 AM
 
When walking to and from work. My most updated collection of music (some from work, some from home) is on the iPod, so I connect it to my work mac and play the tunes from my iPod instead of my library.

Why can't I choose to play Party Playlists from my iPod Apple?

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Jul 26, 2004, 05:34 AM
 
Originally posted by tavilach:
When do I use my iPod?
Umm, if you're seriously asking us, then don't bother getting an iPod! (Ungrateful moron)

Let's examine a typical day...

Dem68: Wake up at 1 pm, which is typical
Dem68: Check out the internet (My porn finished downloading, right?)
Dem68: MacNN is boring, wait...OMG, I got a response!
Dem68: have a bowl of cereal and then I....
Dem68: go back to bed
Dem68: wake up again at 4 pm
Dem68: check the calendar... call the girlfriend
Dem68: wait for the bus
Dem68: listen to my iPod
Dem68: think about life in general, and how mine sucks
Dem68: see girlfriend
Dem68: talk talk talk
Dem68: score some (if it's a good day)
Dem68: Harass her twin sister! lol
Dem68: Watch Monty Python, have dinner
Dem68: 10 pm- kiss and say goodbye
Dem68: get back at 11 pm- check MacNN
Dem68: go to bed at 7 am
( Last edited by demograph68; Jul 26, 2004 at 05:46 AM. )
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 05:42 AM
 
How about on the weekend or holidays?
Just who are Britain? What do they? Who is them? And why?

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Jul 26, 2004, 05:47 AM
 
Most people crap at least once a day,
i have my ipod on while i crap.
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 05:49 AM
 
Originally posted by Ken Masters:
Most people crap at least once a day,
i have my ipod on while i crap.
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 05:58 AM
 
( Last edited by Ken Masters; Jul 26, 2004 at 06:19 AM. )
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 05:58 AM
 
how about you go out the house for a walk, instead of posting on here?
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Jul 26, 2004, 06:05 AM
 
Originally posted by Ken Masters:
Most people crap at least once a day,
i have my ipod on while i crap.
Just don't let it fall in. You would NOT want to reach down there to get it out!
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 06:18 AM
 
Originally posted by His Dudeness:
Just don't let it fall in. You would NOT want to reach down there to get it out!


....

Traveling to and from University and sometimes at night before I sleep. Used it at a party recently - plugged it in to speakers, came in very handy in terms of music variety. Will be using it on the plane in a few days, although I doubt it will last the five hours
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 09:36 AM
 
ipod+itunes in relation to today


8am - drop brother off at airport, start listening to the first Lemony Snicket children's book, check calendar on ipod and try to avoid running anywhere near the DNC.

9am (now-ish) - get into work, open powerbook and shut down ipod, start arranging party shuffle order for the first hour of work. repeat after first hour. listen for 8 or so hours.

6pm - leave work--start listening to children's stories again or just end up clicking "shuffle songs" on my new 40g 4Gpod.
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 10:28 AM
 
In the car. Walking outside. Sitting in my room, reading and listening to music. Playing the ol' Gamecube.

Just a few things...
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 11:55 AM
 
Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
Will be using it on the plane in a few days, although I doubt it will last the five hours
Maybe you need a new battery? Mine easily lasted a 4.5 hour plane trip, plus waiting around in the lobby, etc.

Originally posted by tavilach:
shizzle
shizzle
shizzle
Stop. Now.

When I have my laptop, I have iTunes. When I'm in my dorm room, I can blast iTunes, and if I'm in the library, I can just use headphones.
You just answered your own question: tavilach, in the library, with the headphones.

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Me, I used them going to and from work (1hr each way) all day at work, long bike rides, walking around town.
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 12:00 PM
 
Originally posted by tavilach:

When do I use my iPod?

Let's examine a typical day...

tavilach: Woot, it's morning! Time for class! Let me gather my books and my [soon-to-be-ordered] PowerBook [yummy]. Oh, and let me brush my teeth. Alrighty...it's off to class I go!
tavilach: ...oh, and I should bring my iPod. I might be in dire need of some music.
tavilach: Taking notes in class is fun!
tavilach: Class is over! I have two hours before my next class. I think I'll go to library, to study with a group of friends.
tavilach: Studying with friends is fun!
tavilach: It's back to class I go!
tavilach: Taking notes...in class...is just...so...fun...
tavilach: Studying...more...with friends...fun...
tavilach: This lunch is pretty nasty.
tavilach: Class...is...the shizzle...
tavilach: Libraries...are...the shizzle...
tavilach: It's 3:00! I'm all done for today. What to do, what to do. Well, I have twelve units, and each unit requires approximately three hours of homework a week. That's 5.14 hours of homework a day, if I want to even be competitive enough to stand a chance at receiving an A (after all, only 15% of the class will get A's...that's the maximum). I think I'll go to the library and get a whole bunch of work done!
tavilach: Procrastinators will rule the world...eventually! I'll go on Adium!
tavilach: Ah, yes...Adium...
tavilach: ...and iTunes.
tavilach: Okay, now it's time to do some work.
tavilach: There. Some of my work is done, and it's time for dinner!
tavilach: That was yummy. Let's see, now. My friends are off to see a movie. I could use a break. It'll only take 5 minutes to walk to the theater...movie, here I come!
tavilach: Sweet! That movie was the shizzle! I think I'll go up to my dorm room and finish up my work.
tavilach: ...while iTunes is playing, of course!
tavilach: It's 2:00, and my work is done. Woot!
tavilach: Hey, look! I didn't know I had this iPod in my pocket!
see. its a "portable music player". when youre walking between all those things, you can listen to your portable music player. dah da dahhh.
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 12:05 PM
 
My iPod is most frequently used when: traveling, doing yard crap, at the gym, doing stuff around the house I'd rather not being doing, such as laundry.
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 12:10 PM
 
I use my ipod the most when in the car on long trips. iTrip is useful. I even use it in the kitchen.

Then there's yard work--mowing the lawn, gardening.

While working out/walking/biking. (yes, not so loud I can't hear traffic.)

I also use it for a backup disk.

You are hereby banned from using the word "shizzle."
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 12:15 PM
 
Originally posted by demograph68:
Umm, if you're seriously asking us, then don't bother getting an iPod! (Ungrateful moron)
You act as if I ordered it...
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Jul 26, 2004, 12:29 PM
 
That 5 hours of homework a night is a load of crap. There is no way you will keep that up once you get to college. I go to an Ivy league school and Im lucky if I do an hour a day of outside studying.
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 12:29 PM
 
I use mine in my car 95% of the time.

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Jul 26, 2004, 12:32 PM
 
Originally posted by Weezer:
That 5 hours of homework a night is a load of crap. There is no way you will keep that up once you get to college. I go to an Ivy league school and Im lucky if I do an hour a day of outside studying.
Ivy league schools practice grade inflation . My school practices grade deflation. This is the real deal. I've talked to the students...they have essentially no free time whatsoever.

One of the reason that I didn't choose to attend an Ivy was the fact that I can't learn without a challenge. Stick 500 bright kids in a lecture hall, and tell them that only 15% will get A's. It amounts to a hell of a lot of competition. It's not exactly a fun thing, but I'll certainly be swamped.
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Jul 26, 2004, 12:34 PM
 
Originally posted by GoGoReggieXPowars:
Maybe you need a new battery? Mine easily lasted a 4.5 hour plane trip, plus waiting around in the lobby, etc.
I think the battery is about to die, but it's also an older gen iPod so probably doesn't have as much battery life anyway, compared to the newer ones.
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 12:34 PM
 
Originally posted by tavilach:
Ivy league schools practice grade inflation
careful, I didn't say I went to Harvard...But seriously, grade stats are the same here, ~15% A's. Especially in the intro classes and big lectures, they like to wash out kids and the curves are brutal.
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 12:37 PM
 
Originally posted by tavilach:

One of the reason that I didn't choose to attend an Ivy was the fact that I can't learn without a challenge. Stick 500 bright kids in a lecture hall, and tell them that only 15% will get A's. It amounts to a hell of a lot of competition. It's not exactly a fun thing, but I'll certainly be swamped.
You're dreaming if you think it's any less competetive at other top schools.
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 12:40 PM
 
Originally posted by Weezer:
You're dreaming if you think it's any less competetive at other top schools.
It's not, as a whole, but the engineering college is. Engineering is, in general, more competitive than other majors, especially at my school. I don't need to defend my school's competiveness, though. Believe what you want. I know why I chose it.

Take Stanford...30% get A's. At Princeton it's even higher. Yes, I view that as less competitive.

MIT is a top school that is probably more competitive, if that's what you're after. Cornell, one of my options, is also quite competitive, but is not as highly ranked in engineering (no, I'm not saying that ranking is everything).

Meh . It doesn't matter, dude.
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Jul 26, 2004, 12:43 PM
 
I can't believe some idiot actually took a picture of a toilet and its contents. How absolutely vulgar. This really is a low point for MacNN. Where is an Admin when we need one?
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 12:45 PM
 
Originally posted by tavilach:
It's not, as a whole, but the engineering college is. Engineering is, in general, more competitive than other majors, especially at my school. I don't need to defend my school's competiveness, though. Believe what you want. I know why I chose it.
You don't need to justify anything, I'm sure you are in for a tough first semester. Just don't be insulting when you talk about other institutions.
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 12:45 PM
 
Originally posted by Weezer:
You don't need to justify anything, I'm sure you are in for a tough first semester. Just don't be insulting when you talk about other institutions.
I'm not being insulting . Anyway, moving on.
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Jul 26, 2004, 12:47 PM
 
Originally posted by tavilach:
Ivy league schools practice grade inflation . My school practices grade deflation. This is the real deal. I've talked to the students...they have essentially no free time whatsoever.

One of the reason that I didn't choose to attend an Ivy was the fact that I can't learn without a challenge. Stick 500 bright kids in a lecture hall, and tell them that only 15% will get A's. It amounts to a hell of a lot of competition. It's not exactly a fun thing, but I'll certainly be swamped.
youre so full of sh*t. go to college for a year and then tell us what you think. this starry eyed crap is getting old. so you are a poor helpless victim that DIDNT order an iPod and are pissed that its worth $100 less than you thought. cry me a river kid. all i do know is that cornell kicked my a$$ this year, and was much more demanding than the state schools i have attended in the past. so please, save it. it is not as if getting into an ivy is enough (which is what i thought). you have to bust your butt. and there are a billion little punks like you there quantifying how many homework hours you need to do to stay up on your stuff. so save it till you have some experience to back up the drivel you share with us. nah, better yet, ill ignore you.

�i feel much much better now.

oh, and i use my ipod all the time- in the libe, walking to class, anytime im working out. pretty much anytime i have something to do where i dont want to be bothered.
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 12:51 PM
 
Originally posted by d4nth3m4n:
youre so full of sh*t. go to college for a year and then tell us what you think. this starry eyed crap is getting old. so you are a poor helpless victim that DIDNT order an iPod and are pissed that its worth $100 less than you thought. cry me a river kid. all i do know is that cornell kicked my a$$ this year, and was much more demanding than the state schools i have attended in the past. so please, save it. it is not as if getting into an ivy is enough (which is what i thought). you have to bust your butt. and there are a billion little punks like you there quantifying how many homework hours you need to do to stay up on your stuff. so save it till you have some experience to back up the drivel you share with us. nah, better yet, ill ignore you.

�i feel much much better now.
That was profound. Should I travel into the future, get some experience, travel back, and then ask you about iPods?
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Jul 26, 2004, 12:52 PM
 
His song will change tune after the first year. Nobody I have met at my university (top 30) studies 5 hours a day. And I am aware you are going to Cal. Save it. You will see things differently after a year.
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 12:53 PM
 
Originally posted by SafariX:
His song will change tune after the first year. Nobody I have met at my university (top 30) studies 5 hours a day.
Ranking has nothing to do with it. No one at Harvard studies much, either.

You could be right. I might slack off. I'll have a pretty crappy GPA, though .
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Jul 26, 2004, 12:54 PM
 
Originally posted by d4nth3m4n:
�i feel much much better now.
wow that was great. And yes dude you are being insulting. You are basically telling me how much easier myself and and everyone else here that has actually experienced college have it than you.
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 12:56 PM
 
Originally posted by Weezer:
wow that was great. And yes dude you are being insulting. You are basically telling me how much easier myself and and everyone else here that has actually experienced college have it than you.
I'm sorry if it sounded like that. It wasn't my intention. It'll be pretty cool if I only have to do one hour of homework a day...hehe.

Let's stop comparing schools, though. I'm sure that everyone's school kicks his/her ass in its own way .
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Jul 26, 2004, 12:57 PM
 
Originally posted by tavilach:
Ranking has nothing to do with it. No one at Harvard studies much, either.

You could be right. I might slack off. I'll have a pretty crappy GPA, though .
College has more to do with studying smart then just the number of hours you spend in the library. It's an experience, don't go into college just worried about your freakin GPA. And yes, there are kids who study 5 hours a day. They are miserable, have no social life, are scared of human interaction, and the only thing they have going for them are their grades. Wanna be one of them?
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 12:58 PM
 
Originally posted by Weezer:
College has more to do with studying smart then just the number of hours you spend in the library. It's an experience, don't go into college just worried about your freakin GPA. And yes, there are kids who study 5 hours a day. They are miserable, have no social life, are scared of human interaction, and the only thing they have going for them are their grades. Wanna be one of them?
Yeah!

I see your point, dude. Let's leave it at that, alright?
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Jul 26, 2004, 01:01 PM
 
Originally posted by tavilach:
That was profound. Should I travel into the future, get some experience, travel back, and then ask you about iPods?
no, what you should so is not say so many things in jest, thinking that everyone here will just sit back and let you jump to conclusions without jumping on you for it. just relax. if you want to ask about iPods, then by all means, but derailing a thread by taking the high road while youre talking about colleges is totally out of line.

just keep within the parameters of the thread at hand. like the BMW thread.
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 01:08 PM
 
The problem is, tavilach, that you make the conclusions about how things "are" when in fact, you have no basis for said truth. Yes, Cal is a fine education institution, as are many, many schools. Just be *humble*, and adapt to the environment that you are in, whether it is MacNN or Cal. You will see life and people will be a lot more accepting when you don't pretend to know everything. The older I get, the more I realize how little I actually DO know. But as an almost graduated undergraduate, I will inform you that yes, college does require a lot of work...but not this "5 hours everyday" phenomenon you speak of. Studying SMART is the best advice I have heard. Develop a system for studying. It will make you more efficient. I have a system depending on what type of class it is, and the style of teacher. I want your college experience to go well, just CHILL with this late-teens know everything attitude. I've been there, I've seen it, done it, heard it. Be humble and insightful, not brash and assuming.
     
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Originally posted by SafariX:
The problem is, tavilach, that you make the conclusions about how things "are" when in fact, you have no basis for said truth. Yes, Cal is a fine education institution, as are many, many schools. Just be *humble*, and adapt to the environment that you are in, whether it is MacNN or Cal. You will see life and people will be a lot more accepting when you don't pretend to know everything. The older I get, the more I realize how little I actually DO know. But as an almost graduated undergraduate, I will inform you that yes, college does require a lot of work...but not this "5 hours everyday" phenomenon you speak of. Studying SMART is the best advice I have heard. Develop a system for studying. It will make you more efficient. I have a system depending on what type of class it is, and the style of teacher. I want your college experience to go well, just CHILL with this late-teens know everything attitude. I've been there, I've seen it, done it, heard it. Be humble and insightful, not brash and assuming.
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Jul 26, 2004, 01:53 PM
 
Truth be told, I almost never use my iPod when I'm at school. No point to it. It's no good for walking, because it's a small campus and I like being somewhat social.

At home, I use it whenever I'm commuting/on the subway/walking-erranding in the city alone. I also use it in my car whenever I'll be driving more than 30-45 minutes.

That being said, I'm home (or in the car) frequently enough to make it a godsend.
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 02:11 PM
 
Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
I think the battery is about to die, but it's also an older gen iPod so probably doesn't have as much battery life anyway, compared to the newer ones.
Mine's a 2nd gen 10Gig, and I'd say it's still getting around 8 hours, but I never get that far since I recharge it at work during lunch.
Replacement batteries aren't too bad, price-wise, don't know about UK availability.
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 02:19 PM
 
kitten, you can also get a airplane/charger/converter thingie. Plug that sucker right in!
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 02:31 PM
 
Originally posted by Weezer:
careful, I didn't say I went to Harvard...
Word.

This kid is gonna have a hard time in college. Nobody likes a know-it-all. (For instance, don't go around telling people that BMW is run by neo-Nazis unless you are prepared IN ADVANCE to back it up. Professors absolutely hate unsubstantiated claims.)

Nobody does 5 hours of homework a night, unless exams/midterms/final papers are coming up. Claiming that Ivy League schools are a "sail-through" is pretty amusing, though. The competition is much, much tougher here.
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 02:47 PM
 
Originally posted by SafariX:
The problem is, tavilach, that you make the conclusions about how things "are" when in fact, you have no basis for said truth. Yes, Cal is a fine education institution, as are many, many schools. Just be *humble*, and adapt to the environment that you are in, whether it is MacNN or Cal. You will see life and people will be a lot more accepting when you don't pretend to know everything. The older I get, the more I realize how little I actually DO know. But as an almost graduated undergraduate, I will inform you that yes, college does require a lot of work...but not this "5 hours everyday" phenomenon you speak of. Studying SMART is the best advice I have heard. Develop a system for studying. It will make you more efficient. I have a system depending on what type of class it is, and the style of teacher. I want your college experience to go well, just CHILL with this late-teens know everything attitude. I've been there, I've seen it, done it, heard it. Be humble and insightful, not brash and assuming.
I don't believe that I have that attitude, but I can understand how it may seem that I do. I'll try to watch what I say. Thank you for your insight...I appreciate the honesty, and not-abrasive manner !

Originally posted by maxintosh:
Word.

This kid is gonna have a hard time in college. Nobody likes a know-it-all. (For instance, don't go around telling people that BMW is run by neo-Nazis unless you are prepared IN ADVANCE to back it up. Professors absolutely hate unsubstantiated claims.)

Nobody does 5 hours of homework a night, unless exams/midterms/final papers are coming up. Claiming that Ivy League schools are a "sail-through" is pretty amusing, though. The competition is much, much tougher here.
Perhaps I am reading you wrong, but are you claiming that Columbia is a more competive institution than Cal? That seems very childish and hypocritical, especially in light of SafariX's well-put comment.

I am aware that schools like Columbia and Cornell have far more competive atmospheres, comparable to that of Cal. I have nothing but the utmost respect for people who attend these institutions.

What I did in the BMW thread was stupid. I would never do it in a classroom setting, though. Please don't jump to conclusions about me, as you don't know me.

By the way, I totally understand how those of you who are attending universities might feel that I'm a little dweeb, as I feel the same way about people who are now agonizing over the admissions process. I just want to smack them, and tell them that whatever happens...happens .
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Jul 26, 2004, 03:01 PM
 
Originally posted by tavilach:
Perhaps I am reading you wrong, but are you claiming that Columbia is a more competive institution than Cal? That seems very childish and hypocritical, especially in light of SafariX's well-put comment.
No, they're about the same (albeit very different schools), although I do believe our admissions rate is much lower than yours (it was about 11% last year) EDIT: CalTech's is 17%. I meant that Ivy schools are generally much more difficult than most other institutions... not to say there aren't other excellent schools (I'm really not a snob about these things), I just found it really funny that you called them easy.

To quote you:
One of the reason that I didn't choose to attend an Ivy was the fact that I can't learn without a challenge. Stick 500 bright kids in a lecture hall, and tell them that only 15% will get A's. It amounts to a hell of a lot of competition. It's not exactly a fun thing, but I'll certainly be swamped.
You have to remember that a lot of people at top-notch schools are extremely bright and deserve the A's they're getting. It's still an incredibly difficult thing to do. Most of the people I know who get A's are total recluses. Not a positive thing, IMO.
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Originally posted by maxintosh:
No, they're about the same (albeit very different schools), although I do believe our admissions rate is much lower than yours (it was about 11% last year). I meant that Ivy schools are generally much more difficult than most other institutions... not to say there aren't other excellent schools (I'm really not a snob about these things), I just found it really funny that you called them easy.
First of all, I could have attended Columbia, but chose not to (then again, their engineering school is very easy to get into). Second of all, the higher Ivy's are easy. I mean, to an extent. Harvard, Yale, Princeton...they have heavy grade inflation, and far too many students graduate with A's. Graduate schools end up subtracting GPA points, simply because there is so much grade inflation. They do the same with Stanford. Schools like MIT and Berkeley essentially practice grade deflation (and graduate schools actually add points to the GPA's). It's just very different, and personally, I feel that I'll be more successful in an environment where I'm really pushed. At Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford...the hardest part is getting in. That shouldn't be! College should be about what you do when you get there, and not simply getting there. Personally, with grade inflation, I know that I'd just procrastinate my days away, and accomplish nothing. Then, when it came down to getting into graduate school, I'd be screwed. Graduate schools look at the "other" stuff (research, etc.) at these schools, more than most, because showing that you have a high GPA is just not enough (everyone does). After procrastinating my years away, I would, no doubt, have no research done, or anything like that. That's why I, personally, believe I will fair better in a more challenging environment. This is not to say that others are different. Many people will thrive in a more lax environment, like Stanford's. It's all about the individual.

When I talk about competiveness, I'm not talking about the academic quality of the school. Ivy League schools are no doubt top notch. I'm talking about the challenge once you get there (and remember, the grade inflation takes place mainly within HYP). Again, I'm not saying that a more competitive environment is better...for some, it's definitely worse. That's irrevelant, though. The fact is, though, that it's harder to succeed at schools like Berkeley, MIT, and Caltech. The Ivy's, especially HYP, care more about the success of the students. Berkeley, for one, doesn't give a rat's ass. It'd be nice if it cared a little, actually .

You see, I'm not calling the Ivy's "easy." Far from it...

Edit: You're confusing Cal with Caltech. Cal is Berkeley. The admissions rate is 24%, obviously much higher than Columbia's. The rate of engineering admissions, though, is approximately 14%, and the school is ranked #2 in the country in that field.

Originally posted by maxintosh:
You have to remember that a lot of people at top-notch schools are extremely bright and deserve the A's they're getting. It's still an incredibly difficult thing to do. Most of the people I know who get A's are total recluses. Not a positive thing, IMO.
The same goes for Cal engineering...they are extremely bright, and deserve the A's...but they still don't get them. I'm sure it's similar at Columbia and Cornell. As I said, though, HYP and Stanford practice crazy grade inflation. Please don't tell me that someone who got in to Harvard deserves getting A's. That completely defeats the purpose of college! Why go, when you are going to get A's simply because you did well in high school? It doesn't make sense. Again, I'm talking about the grade inflation at HYP. At Columbia, Cornell, etc. it's more like Berkeley.
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Well my cousin graduated from UCLA Berkely's engineering school and found it extremely challenging, so I can't really argue there.
     
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Originally posted by tavilach:
First of all, I could have attended Columbia, but chose not to (then again, their engineering school is very easy to get into). Second of all, the higher Ivy's are easy. I mean, to an extent. Harvard, Yale, Princeton...they have heavy grade inflation, and far too many students graduate with A's. Graduate schools end up subtracting GPA points, simply because there is so much grade inflation. They do the same with Stanford. Schools like MIT and Berkeley essentially practice grade deflation (and graduate schools actually add points to the GPA's). It's just very different, and personally, I feel that I'll be more successful in an environment where I'm really pushed. At Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford...the hardest part is getting in. That shouldn't be! College should be about what you do when you get there, and not simply getting there. Personally, with grade inflation, I know that I'd just procrastinate my days away, and accomplish nothing. Then, when it came down to getting into graduate school, I'd be screwed. Graduate schools look at the "other" stuff (research, etc.) at these schools, more than most, because showing that you have a high GPA is just not enough (everyone does). After procrastinating my years away, I would, no doubt, have no research done, or anything like that. That's why I, personally, believe I will fair better in a more challenging environment. This is not to say that others are different. Many people will thrive in a more lax environment, like Stanford's. It's all about the individual.

When I talk about competiveness, I'm not talking about the academic quality of the school. Ivy League schools are no doubt top notch. I'm talking about the challenge once you get there (and remember, the grade inflation takes place mainly within HYP). Again, I'm not saying that a more competitive environment is better...for some, it's definitely worse. That's irrevelant, though. The fact is, though, that it's harder to succeed at schools like Berkeley, MIT, and Caltech. The Ivy's, especially HYP, care more about the success of the students. Berkeley, for one, doesn't give a rat's ass. It'd be nice if it cared a little, actually .

You see, I'm not calling the Ivy's "easy." Far from it...

Edit: You're confusing Cal with Caltech. Cal is Berkeley. The admissions rate is 24%, obviously much higher than Columbia's. The rate of engineering admissions, though, is approximately 14%, and the school is ranked #2 in the country in that field.

too many boring words to read...moving on
     
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Jul 26, 2004, 03:19 PM
 
Originally posted by tavilach:
At Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford...the hardest part is getting in.
And how exactly do you "know" this?
     
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Doh! Never mind.
     
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Originally posted by lavar78:
And how exactly do you "know" this?
It's common knowledge. It's written in books, articles, etc. No, that doesn't mean it's true, but chances are that it is.
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