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May 15, 2007, 01:52 PM
 
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/15/jer....ap/index.html

• NEW: Evangelist dies at age 73
• Rev. Jerry Falwell found unconscious in office at Liberty University
• School official said Falwell was fine at breakfast
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LYNCHBURG, Virginia (AP) -- The Rev. Jerry Falwell has died, a Liberty University executive said Tuesday. He was 73.

Earlier, the executive said Falwell was hospitalized in "gravely serious" condition after being found unconscious in his office.

Ron Godwin, the executive vice president of Falwell's Liberty University, said Falwell was found unresponsive around 10:45 a.m. and taken to Lynchburg General Hospital. Godwin said he was not sure what caused the collapse, but "he has a history of heart challenges."

"I had breakfast with him, and he was fine at breakfast," Godwin said. "He went to his office, I went to mine and they found him unresponsive."

Falwell, a television evangelist who founded the Moral Majority, became the face of the religious right in the 1980s. He later founded the conservative Liberty University and serves as its president.

Falwell survived two serious health scares in early 2005. He was hospitalized for two weeks with what was described as a viral infection, then hospitalized again a few weeks later after going into respiratory arrest.
Not sure if this should go in the PL.

I don't have much to add. I normally don't post obits, but Falwell was a man that many had an opinion on, so it seemed appropriate.
     
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May 15, 2007, 01:56 PM
 
Jerry Falwell is dead. Details are still unknown, but it seems likely to have been some kind of cardiac thing. Apparently he was found unresponsive in his office around noon.

I feel sad for the man's family, because they've lost a loved one, but I can't say I have much sympathy for the man himself. I feel some relief at the thought of one less false Christian giving my faith a bad name, and I suppose the world is a slightly better place for that, but there's no real reason to take any actual joy in that sort of thing.
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May 15, 2007, 01:58 PM
 
People die everyday. Sorry for his family, but I for one will not miss him. He did a lot of harm to this country.

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May 15, 2007, 01:58 PM
 
Satan prevails!

And yes... this is going to get ugly... for a "man of God" he was filled with hate. Not sad to see him gone.
     
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May 15, 2007, 01:59 PM
 
My only real memory of him was him on Donahue's short lived show on MSNBC. It was interesting to see them go back and forth.

I remember him 'trying' to save Phil by telling him all he had to do was accept Jesus. That and when asked about the environment commenting he had a Blazer and hoped to get a Hummer next.
     
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May 15, 2007, 02:03 PM
 
He's about to be really disappointed.

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May 15, 2007, 02:05 PM
 
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May 15, 2007, 02:08 PM
 
I dread the spectacle that will be his funeral. And endless tributes. Ugh.
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May 15, 2007, 02:09 PM
 
Should be interesting to see if there's a difference in coverage between Fox and CNN.

Well, not interesting, but maybe noteworthy.
     
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May 15, 2007, 02:11 PM
 
I predict Bush will suggest he be given a state funeral.
     
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May 15, 2007, 02:13 PM
 
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May 15, 2007, 02:19 PM
 
Jeez you guys are pretty rough.

I feel for his family but I disagree that he's going to be disappointed rather he's now in paradise - as the Bible states.

I may not agree with his methods or some of his stances but he seemed to live his faith and that's part of it. I don't think anyone could call him hypercritical like some of the other tele-evanglelists.
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May 15, 2007, 02:20 PM
 
I for one am not sad that he is gone, though I can't remember the last time I heard anything about him.
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May 15, 2007, 02:22 PM
 
Originally Posted by mac128k-1984 View Post
I disagree that he's going to be disappointed rather he's now in paradise - as the Bible states.
Well that's a matter of a lot of perspectives... I'm not sure we wanna derail the thread with that.
     
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May 15, 2007, 02:23 PM
 
Originally Posted by mac128k-1984 View Post
Jeez you guys are pretty rough.
It's just more of the same: "Man I HATE people who are so full of HATE"

His views were extreme in my opinion, but I don't think it's worthwhile or healthy to hope for or to relish his supposed eternal suffering.
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May 15, 2007, 02:25 PM
 
Originally Posted by Dakarʒ View Post
Well that's a matter of a lot of perspectives... I'm not sure we wanna derail the thread with that.
What? You won't even derail your own thread?
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Originally Posted by mac128k-1984 View Post
I may not agree with his methods or some of his stances but he seemed to live his faith and that's part of it. I don't think anyone could call him hypercritical like some of the other tele-evanglelists.
I thought he was ALWAYS critical of other people!
     
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May 15, 2007, 02:28 PM
 
Originally Posted by smacintush View Post
It's just more of the same: "Man I HATE people who are so full of HATE"

His views were extreme in my opinion, but I don't think it's worthwhile or healthy to hope for or to relish his supposed eternal suffering.
His views may have been extreme (that's up for debate) but he was not full of hate. He seemed to engender the type of blind anger which to be honest I don't get.

If you HATE people who are full of HATE what does that make you - I'm not trying to flame you but highlight an incongruity.
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May 15, 2007, 02:31 PM
 
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What? You won't even derail your own thread?
Yes, I believe I am what is known as a hypocrite.

Actually, if you want to derail it with cat pictures be my guest. I just won't take a slightly off-topic derail. Funnies or nothings.
     
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Originally Posted by mac128k-1984 View Post
His views may have been extreme (that's up for debate) but he was not full of hate. He seemed to engender the type of blind anger which to be honest I don't get.

If you HATE people who are full of HATE what does that make you - I'm not trying to flame you but highlight an incongruity.
I was agreeing with you and elaborating. At times in threads about controversial figures we of often see expression of hatred toward people for being so full of hate. It's all a bit silly.
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May 15, 2007, 02:35 PM
 
Originally Posted by mac128k-1984 View Post
Jeez you guys are pretty rough.

I feel for his family but I disagree that he's going to be disappointed rather he's now in paradise - as the Bible states.

I may not agree with his methods or some of his stances but he seemed to live his faith and that's part of it. I don't think anyone could call him hypercritical like some of the other tele-evanglelists.
Here's a little taste of the vitriol he liked to spew on television. That doesn't seem to coincide with my understanding of the Christian faith.
     
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Cat pictures are so April 2007.
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May 15, 2007, 02:36 PM
 
“The whole (global warming) thing is created to destroy America's free enterprise system and our economic stability”
Ignoring all the hate filled comments, I find this beyond ludicrous. Yes, we're purposefully trying to hamstring our ownselves.
     
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Originally Posted by Rumor View Post
Cat pictures are so April 2007.
Cat pictures are timeless, like the wind.
     
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Originally Posted by Dakarʒ View Post
Cat pictures are timeless, like passing wind.
I thought people grow out of fart jokes?
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May 15, 2007, 02:41 PM
 
Originally Posted by ort888 View Post
...Falwell hate speech...
Thanks for listing these. This may help slow the fans that will be jumping on soon. I hope they at least skim that list to refresh their memories.
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Originally Posted by Rumor View Post
I thought people grow out of fart jokes?
LOL YOU SAID FART! LOL!
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May 15, 2007, 02:48 PM
 
He was a man who's opinions skated the thin ice that floats on top of a lake of hate and intolerance. He veiled his hate with Christianity. He was not a man of Jesus. Jesus did not preach hate and intolerance.

Falwell was a joke. He basically became a parody of himself. People would hear the sickening things he'd have to say and merely laugh, because they all knew he was so far out there that he was almost meaningless.

He's dead, and I for one am not sad. I feel that one less hate monger on this earth is a good thing.
     
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Cat pictures are so April 2007.
     
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Originally Posted by smacintush View Post
I was agreeing with you and elaborating. At times in threads about controversial figures we of often see expression of hatred toward people for being so full of hate. It's all a bit silly.
Ahh gotcha, I'm a little slow at times
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well he thought jesus would be back before he died...oops

bloated hate filled hick was wrong again
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Originally Posted by ort888 View Post
He's about to be really disappointed.


Question is which one of his quotes should they put on his tombstone?

* “AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals”

* "It appears that America's anti-Biblical feminist movement is at last dying, thank God, and is possibly being replaced by a Christ-centered men's movement which may become the foundation for a desperately needed national spiritual awakening."

* "If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being."

* After the September 11 attacks Falwell said, “I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen."

* “Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions”

* “[Homosexuals are] brute beasts...part of a vile and satanic system [that] will be utterly annihilated, and there will be a celebration in heaven.”

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Hello Saint Pete, I'm glad to finally be here.

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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES View Post

which one of his quotes should they put on his tombstone?

...

"a failure as a human being"


my vote
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my vote
     
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my vote
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May 15, 2007, 04:44 PM
 
I really can't say I'm sad about him being gone, but my thoughts and condolences to his family.
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Originally Posted by Millennium View Post
I feel sad for the man's family, because they've lost a loved one, but I can't say I have much sympathy for the man himself. I feel some relief at the thought of one less false Christian giving my faith a bad name, and I suppose the world is a slightly better place for that, but there's no real reason to take any actual joy in that sort of thing.
Agreed.
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Agreed.
Agreed, agreed. Well put.
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Originally Posted by blackbird_1.0 View Post
I really can't say I'm sad about him being gone, but my thoughts and condolences to his family.
That's pretty generous as I am sure he has caused plenty of sadness and disruptions to many families with his lessons of hate and none of his family had any condolences for anyone.
     
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w00t!


That is all I have to say about it.
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At least he inspired a half-way decent movie.

     
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May 15, 2007, 05:48 PM
 
He was just another blowhard who wasn't Christian and who wasn't right, and he built an empire based on hatred and hypocrisy.
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May 15, 2007, 05:51 PM
 
Kind of like Westboro?
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Originally Posted by smacintush View Post
His views were extreme in my opinion, but I don't think it's worthwhile or healthy to hope for or to relish his supposed eternal suffering.

Can one appreciate the irony though?
     
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Originally Posted by KarlG View Post
He was just another blowhard who wasn't Christian and who wasn't right, and he built an empire based on hatred and hypocrisy.
How is that different that pretty much any religious group? He just didn't candy coat it as much.
     
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May he burn in Hell!!!

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I don't usually come to the pol lounge, but I wanted to say:

Ding Dong, the witch is dead!!
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