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Downloaded Music 10 Burn Limit Loophole..
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Kleekoh
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Apr 29, 2003, 07:23 PM
 
Since you can only burn 10 identical copies of a playlist with your downloaded music, theoretically couldnt you just burn yourself one copy, and then import that CD into your normal iTunes playlist?... then just make another playlist from those files and burn 10000 copies if thats what your heart desired.
     
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Apr 29, 2003, 07:26 PM
 
Or... why need more than 10 burns? Or just use Toast... or just modify the playlist and move just one song to a different position.
     
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Apr 29, 2003, 07:26 PM
 
I would assume so but then there is the issue of quality loss.
AAC->AIFF->MP3 or AAC

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Apr 29, 2003, 07:26 PM
 
Probably wouldn't work because it checks for those songs no matter what playlist it belongs to, right?
     
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Apr 29, 2003, 07:28 PM
 
...or you could just pop a track into another playlist to burn.

i'd imagine the limit's only there so the record companies can't blame apple when you burn 50 copies of the same CD and sell them for pure profit.

You can burn any given track any number of times you want.
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Apr 29, 2003, 08:02 PM
 
It's not meant to be a perfect piracy system..

DRM is just something "To help keep honest people honest" to quote Apple.
     
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Apr 29, 2003, 08:20 PM
 
Or, I'd guess, you could just put an extra fraction of a second of dead air in your playlist and consider it "new". I doubt this comes up much though. I know I've never burned a playlist more than twice.
     
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Apr 29, 2003, 08:28 PM
 
Or, you could burn a CD from a playlist. Then...wait for it...just copy the CD! Over and over, as many times as you want. Impress your friends.

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Apr 29, 2003, 08:45 PM
 
Originally posted by 11011001:
It's not meant to be a perfect piracy system..

DRM is just something "To help keep honest people honest" to quote Apple.
Exactly. The three computer rule solves the problem of copying the file via the net. This restriction just tries to make it difficult for people to sell burned CDs. Jobs did say that he didn't think that was too much of a worry.
     
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Apr 30, 2003, 12:54 AM
 
Originally posted by Gene Jockey:
Or, you could burn a CD from a playlist. Then...wait for it...just copy the CD! Over and over, as many times as you want. Impress your friends.

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That's just what I was thinking.
     
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Apr 30, 2003, 01:14 AM
 
Originally posted by Kleekoh:
Since you can only burn 10 identical copies of a playlist with your downloaded music, theoretically couldnt you just burn yourself one copy, and then import that CD into your normal iTunes playlist?... then just make another playlist from those files and burn 10000 copies if thats what your heart desired.
This is a feasible suggestion, but

1. Why would you want to do this? and

2. The quality would suffer. oh, and

3. Why would you want to do this?
     
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Apr 30, 2003, 01:33 AM
 
Jobs said during the presentation that the limit is 10 burns and then you have to change the playlist to burn again.
     
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Apr 30, 2003, 01:54 AM
 
It's 10 burns per specific playlist, not per purchased song. There is no limit on how many times the song can be burned.

But yeah, you'd just burn the CD once from iTunes and copy it in Toast (or a standalone CD duplicator if you're a for-real pirate).

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Apr 30, 2003, 02:01 AM
 
So the AAC files you download from the Apple Music Store have DRM in them?

Or is this just a 'license agreement' requirement, not a technological limitation?

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Apr 30, 2003, 02:51 AM
 
Originally posted by tooki:
It's 10 burns per specific playlist, not per purchased song. There is no limit on how many times the song can be burned.

But yeah, you'd just burn the CD once from iTunes and copy it in Toast (or a standalone CD duplicator if you're a for-real pirate).

tooki
As I'm a complete iTunes4 novice (still iTunes3 here), could you please tell me, does the 10 burn limit apply to all iTunes playlists? Or only to AAC file dl'ed from Apple?
     
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Apr 30, 2003, 03:04 AM
 
Originally posted by OB1:
As I'm a complete iTunes4 novice (still iTunes3 here), could you please tell me, does the 10 burn limit apply to all iTunes playlists? Or only to AAC file dl'ed from Apple?
Any playlist with *any* song from the store, even if it's only one.
     
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Apr 30, 2003, 03:13 AM
 
Originally posted by AKcrab:
Any playlist with *any* song from the store, even if it's only one.
Oooo, do I not like that... the simplicity of iTunes3 suddenly looks very appealing. thanks AKcrab.
     
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Apr 30, 2003, 03:16 AM
 
Obviously, it's just to stop people from batch-burning of discs - which is ever so obvious piracy. No legit person will be burning more than 10 copies of the one playlist, and if in the odd event they do, it's not much hassle for them to modify the playlist once, and modify it back again, before burning again.
but for those who want to run out hundreds of copies - then it becomes an inconvenience

quite clever really
     
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Apr 30, 2003, 03:24 AM
 
according to forbes any disc made into a "cd" from the aac files sounds horrible if it is ripped back. Supposedly this is on purpose to keep you from stealing music.

Which begs the questions:

Is the audio CD really a certified ISO redbook audio disc?
     
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Apr 30, 2003, 04:03 AM
 
Originally posted by brainchild2b:


Is the audio CD really a certified ISO redbook audio disc?
FWIW - a CD with copy protection - ie. one that you can buy from a shop - isn't a certified ISO redbook audio disk either. In fact, is doesn't even have the right to carry the Compact Disk logo.
     
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Apr 30, 2003, 04:15 AM
 
Originally posted by brainchild2b:
according to forbes any disc made into a "cd" from the aac files sounds horrible if it is ripped back. Supposedly this is on purpose to keep you from stealing music.

Which begs the questions:

Is the audio CD really a certified ISO redbook audio disc?
yes.

the quality loss from re-ripped is due to recompressing previously compressed data

this will answer your questions
     
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Apr 30, 2003, 05:10 AM
 
Originally posted by OB1:
Oooo, do I not like that... the simplicity of iTunes3 suddenly looks very appealing. thanks AKcrab.
Um, iTunes 3 can't handle song bought from Music Store, so the playlists that you can burn as many times as you want in iTunes 3 will also give you unlimited burning in iTunes 4.

How often do you need to burn more than 10 copies of the same playlist?

And if you need to burn more than 10 copies you just have to add a song and remove it again.
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Apr 30, 2003, 04:25 PM
 
If you think about it though, it does make it one step harder than to do the same with a normal CD...


I was thinking this though... What about this patter, less loss right???


AAC -> CD -> AIFF -> CD...

Just burn the CD then import them uncompressed as AIFFs, won't this prevent any further loss???
     
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Apr 30, 2003, 04:41 PM
 
Originally posted by Bobby:
If you think about it though, it does make it one step harder than to do the same with a normal CD...


I was thinking this though... What about this patter, less loss right???


AAC -> CD -> AIFF -> CD...

Just burn the CD then import them uncompressed as AIFFs, won't this prevent any further loss???
I think they are talking about AAC->CD->AAC or MP3
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May 2, 2003, 11:47 AM
 
Wife burned a CD-R of the songs from the store she bought and it
sounded just fine.

I think they mean trying to convert the .AAC files back to MP3
or .AAC to something else from .AIFF.
     
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May 2, 2003, 08:31 PM
 
Easy solution is to create a few MP3's that are 1 second of silence. Insert into playlist and burn.

The point remains - why would a person be doing this other than stealing e.g messing with one's Karma!
     
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May 2, 2003, 09:09 PM
 
To tell you the truth, even this limit seems kind of dumb to me. Someone who really wants to burn many copies of a playlist in order to distribute it illegally is either:
[list=a][*]Serious enough to make use of whatever hacks will invariably surface[*]Just buy the damn CD and copy it[/list=a]
     
   
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