[L'enfanTerrible]

I think smokers and non-smokers alike will agree with me.

I quit smoking on July 1, and I still get intense cravings for cigarettes. I haven't bought any cigarettes since then, but the cravings hit me hard.

I'm having one right now (a craving that is) and I wanted to share..

How could something so harmful to us be so good? argh!

[amsalpemkcus]

Please dont smoke ever! Anyway, here you go, take a look at this when you crave next time!

[L'enfanTerrible]

Did you know that if you cut out those teeth, you can put them in your mouth (as long as you have an average size mouth) and it will look like you have nasty teeth with letters on them?

[scaught]

Originally posted by L'enfanTerrible:
I quit smoking on July 1

suggestions from a former smoker.
1. dont count the days. it creates the "i havent had one in forever, im a good kid, ill just have one" excuse which is so common.
2. mind over matter. its all it is. you never smoked. you have no desire. thats it. there are really no substitutes for this simple plan in my opinion. you cant replace an addiction with something else.

[MikeM33]

It's the nicotine.

MikeM32

[L'enfanTerrible]

Originally posted by MikeM33:
It's the nicotine.

I wonder if there are any other addictive substances in ciggies? There must be, I've always heard that cigarettes are more addictive now than in the 50's, because they've added chemicals. Those BASSTARDS

[davidflas]

In addition to all the health effects, I wonder why so many people are willing to be whores for the big tobacco companies... Even satan goes to them for lessons on how to be evil. M$ can't even hold a candle to the big players in the tobacco game, despite the settlements in the US....

[L'enfanTerrible]

Originally posted by davidflas:
In addition to all the health effects, I wonder why so many people are willing to be whores for the big tobacco companies... Even satan goes to them for lessons on how to be evil. M$ can't even hold a candle to the big players in the tobacco game, despite the settlements in the US....

I am somewhat of a conspiratist (is that even a word?) anyway, I often think about conspiracies. Chalk it up to paranoia. But maybe these big tobacco companies, and to a lesser extent, pharmaceutical companies have something to do with the reason some drugs are illegal and theirs are not.

[xi_hyperon]

I quit years ago... and yet I STILL crave them.

[ink]

Originally posted by L'enfanTerrible:
I am somewhat of a conspiratist (is that even a word?) anyway, I often think about conspiracies. Chalk it up to paranoia. But maybe these big tobacco companies, and to a lesser extent, pharmaceutical companies have something to do with the reason some drugs are illegal and theirs are not.

They tried to make alcohol illegal in the US once....

And making pot illegal stopped all use of that drug. Yessireee, it did...

I used to smoke as well, and I eventually got tired of coughing. I still smoke every now-and-then (like 3 or 4 times a year; when I go to Defcon or whatever), but I can't stand habitually doing it. The best deterrant is willpower, nothing else works. It's you against them -- show them who's in control.

And before all you cancer-pansies get in a wad, remember that going to the mountains causes cancer. Char-broiled meat (and meat in general) causes cancer. Bad diets cause cancer (too much sugar, etc). Sun-bathing causes cancer. Alcohol causes cancer. Vitamins cause cancer. Hormone-therapies cause cancer. Etc. Etc. Etc.

[talisker]

I'm a smug bastard who's never smoked, but it's struck me that people who do must really really love it. This is based on the number of smokers you see standing huddled outside non-smoking office buildings, puffing away in the freezing cold and rain. If it's worth doing that, it must be good. I used to work in an office where smokers were relegated to a cage (not its nickname, an actual cage) in the basement carpark. And still they did it.

[L'enfanTerrible]

Originally posted by talisker:
I'm a smug bastard who's never smoked, but it's struck me that people who do must really really love it. This is based on the number of smokers you see standing huddled outside non-smoking office buildings, puffing away in the freezing cold and rain. If it's worth doing that, it must be good. I used to work in an office where smokers were relegated to a cage (not its nickname, an actual cage) in the basement carpark. And still they did it.

This is quite an interesting angle to think about. In many ways, choosing to smoke is a lifestyle choice. And it changes your whole lifestyle. It's weird to look back upon my smoking years because basically I spent thousands of dollars to smell bad, hurt my lungs, and spend countless hours in the cold.

But I loved it. Hmm, I guess thats what windows users feel like.

[The Jackalope]

Edited because although what I wrote I stand by, it sounded like I was talking to someone in particular, instead of just making a statement. Oh well, the best laid plans of mice and men and all....

[L'enfanTerrible]

Originally posted by The Jackalope:
Edited because although what I wrote I stand by, it sounded like I was talking to someone in particular, instead of just making a statement. Oh well, the best laid plans of mice and men and all....

I'm curious to know what you said. I missed it the first time.

[tinrib]

I smoked for about 11 years. I loved smoking, and didn't hold much hope of giving up with any permanency, and so never really tried. I gave up last year, in September last year, cold turkey, and NEVER HAVE HAD A SINGLE CRAVING. I know I will never smoke again, and hate to see people still stuck in the trap.

People will think I'm an idiot, but if one person listens then it is worth me appearing like a lunatic - I gave up after reading a book 'The Easy Way to Give Up Smoking' by Allen Carr. It is available from Amazon, costs about the same as a pack or two of cigs, and has, at least on the UK site, about 150 5* reviews. (This is equivalent to Kernighan/Ritchie's bible 'The C Programming Language', so understand that it does have good backing.) I gave up after reading the book, after several of my friends (who I thought would NEVER stop) gave up after reading the same book.

You have nothing to lose by reading a book. Even those who have given up should read it. I mean really - if you haven't smoked since July, you have done it! You are no longer a smoker. Why beat yourself up about it? Where do you draw the line - are you going to go on through life 'its been 2 years'? Smoking is sh*t. You aren't going back to it, so how long it has been is irrelevant.

To every smoker out there, please read this book. It won't be what you expect.

[Face Ache]

Known additives to cigarettes:

Acetanisole,
Acetic Acid,
Acetoin,
Acetophenone,
6-Acetoxydihydrotheaspirane,
2-Acetyl-3- Ethylpyrazine,
2-Acetyl-5-Methylfuran,
Acetylpyrazine,
2-Acetylpyridine,
3-Acetylpyridine,
2-Acetylthiazole,
Aconitic Acid,
dl-Alanine,
Alfalfa Extract,
Allspice Extract,
Oleoresin,
And Oil,
Allyl Hexanoate,
Allyl Ionone,
Almond Bitter Oil,
Ambergris Tincture,
Ammonia,
Ammonium Bicarbonate,
Ammonium Hydroxide,
Ammonium Phosphate Dibasic,
Ammonium Sulfide,
Amyl Alcohol,
Amyl Butyrate,
Amyl Formate,
Amyl Octanoate,
alpha-Amylcinnamaldehyde,
Amyris Oil,
trans-Anethole,
Angelica Root Extract, Oil and Seed Oil,
Anise,
Anise Star, Extract and Oils,
Anisyl Acetate,
Anisyl Alcohol,
Anisyl Formate,
Anisyl Phenylacetate,
Apple Juice Concentrate, Extract, and Skins,
Apricot Extract and Juice Concentrate,
1-Arginine,
Asafetida Fluid Extract And Oil,
Ascorbic Acid,
1-Asparagine Monohydrate,
1-Aspartic Acid,
Balsam Peru and Oil,
Basil Oil,
Bay Leaf, Oil and Sweet Oil,
Beeswax White,
Beet Juice Concentrate,
Benzaldehyde,
Benzaldehyde Glyceryl Acetal,
Benzoic Acid, Benzoin,
Benzoin Resin,
Benzophenone,
Benzyl Alcohol,
Benzyl Benzoate,
Benzyl Butyrate,
Benzyl Cinnamate,
Benzyl Propionate,
Benzyl Salicylate,
Bergamot Oil,
Bisabolene,
Black Currant Buds Absolute,
Borneol,
Bornyl Acetate,
Buchu Leaf Oil,
1,3-Butanediol,
2,3-Butanedione,
1-Butanol,
2-Butanone,
4(2-Butenylidene)-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One,
Butter, Butter Esters, and Butter Oil,
Butyl Acetate,
Butyl Butyrate,
Butyl Butyryl Lactate,
Butyl Isovalerate,
Butyl Phenylacetate,
Butyl Undecylenate,
3-Butylidenephthalide,
Butyric Acid,
Cadinene,
Caffeine,
Calcium Carbonate,
Camphene,
Cananga Oil,
Capsicum Oleoresin,
Caramel Color,
Caraway Oil,
Carbon Dioxide,
Cardamom Oleoresin, Extract, Seed Oil, and Powder,
Carob Bean and Extract,
beta-Carotene,
Carrot Oil,
Carvacrol,
4-Carvomenthenol,
1-Carvone,
beta-Caryophyllene,
beta-Caryophyllene Oxide,
Cascarilla Oil and Bark Extract,
Cassia Bark Oil,
Cassie Absolute and Oil,
Castoreum Extract, Tincture and Absolute,
Cedar Leaf Oil,
Cedarwood Oil Terpenes and Virginiana,
Cedrol,
Celery Seed Extract, Solid, Oil, And Oleoresin,
Cellulose Fiber,
Chamomile Flower Oil And Extract,
Chicory Extract,
Chocolate,
Cinnamaldehyde,
Cinnamic Acid,
Cinnamon Leaf Oil, Bark Oil, and Extract,
Cinnamyl Acetate,
Cinnamyl Alcohol,
Cinnamyl Cinnamate,
Cinnamyl Isovalerate,
Cinnamyl Propionate,
Citral,
Citric Acid,
Citronella Oil,
dl-Citronellol,
Citronellyl Butyrate,
Citronellyl Isobutyrate,
Civet Absolute,
Clary Oil,
Clover Tops, Red Solid Extract,
Cocoa,
Cocoa Shells, Extract, Distillate And Powder,
Coconut Oil,
Coffee,
Cognac White and Green Oil,
Copaiba Oil,
Coriander Extract and Oil,
Corn Oil,
Corn Silk,
Costus Root Oil,
Cubeb Oil,
Cuminaldehyde,
para-Cymene,
1-Cysteine,
Dandelion Root Solid Extract,
Davana Oil,
2-trans, 4-trans-Decadienal,
delta-Decalactone,
gamma-Decalactone,
Decanal,
Decanoic Acid,
1-Decanol,
2-Decenal,
Dehydromenthofurolactone,
Diethyl Malonate,
Diethyl Sebacate,
2,3-Diethylpyrazine,
Dihydro Anethole,
5,7-Dihydro-2-Methylthieno(3,4-D) Pyrimidine,
Dill Seed Oil and Extract,
meta-Dimethoxybenzene,
para-Dimethoxybenzene,
2,6-Dimethoxyphenol,
Dimethyl Succinate,
3,4-Dimethyl-1,2-Cyclopentanedione,
3,5- Dimethyl-1,2-Cyclopentanedione,
3,7-Dimethyl-1,3,6-Octatriene,
4,5-Dimethyl-3-Hydroxy-2,5-Dihydrofuran-2-One,
6,10-Dimethyl-5,9-Undecadien-2-One,
3,7-Dimethyl-6-Octenoic Acid,
2,4-Dimethylacetophenone,
alpha,para-Dimethylbenzyl Alcohol,
alpha,alpha-Dimethylphenethyl Acetate,
alpha,alpha Dimethylphenethyl Butyrate,
2,3-Dimethylpyrazine,
2,5-Dimethylpyrazine,
2,6-Dimethylpyrazine,
Dimethyltetrahydrobenzofuranone,
delta-Dodecalactone,
gamma-Dodecalactone,
para-Ethoxybenzaldehyde,
Ethyl 10-Undecenoate,
Ethyl 2-Methylbutyrate,
Ethyl Acetate,
Ethyl Acetoacetate,
Ethyl Alcohol,
Ethyl Benzoate,
Ethyl Butyrate,
Ethyl Cinnamate,
Ethyl Decanoate,
Ethyl Fenchol,
Ethyl Furoate,
Ethyl Heptanoate,
Ethyl Hexanoate,
Ethyl Isovalerate,
Ethyl Lactate,
Ethyl Laurate,
Ethyl Levulinate,
Ethyl Maltol,
Ethyl Methyl Phenylglycidate,
Ethyl Myristate,
Ethyl Nonanoate,
Ethyl Octadecanoate,
Ethyl Octanoate,
Ethyl Oleate,
Ethyl Palmitate,
Ethyl Phenylacetate,
Ethyl Propionate,
Ethyl Salicylate,
Ethyl trans-2-Butenoate,
Ethyl Valerate,
Ethyl Vanillin,
2-Ethyl (or Methyl)-(3,5 and 6)-Methoxypyrazine,
2-Ethyl-1-Hexanol, 3-Ethyl -2 -Hydroxy-2-Cyclopenten-1-One,
2-Ethyl-3, (5 or 6)-Dimethylpyrazine,
5-Ethyl-3-Hydroxy-4-Methyl-2(5H)-Furanone,
2-Ethyl-3-Methylpyrazine,
4-Ethylbenzaldehyde,
4-Ethylguaiacol,
para-Ethylphenol,
3-Ethylpyridine,
Eucalyptol,
Farnesol,
D-Fenchone,
Fennel Sweet Oil,
Fenugreek, Extract, Resin, and Absolute,
Fig Juice Concentrate,
Food Starch Modified,
Furfuryl Mercaptan,
4-(2-Furyl)-3-Buten-2-One,
Galbanum Oil,
Genet Absolute,
Gentian Root Extract,
Geraniol,
Geranium Rose Oil,
Geranyl Acetate,
Geranyl Butyrate,
Geranyl Formate,
Geranyl Isovalerate,
Geranyl Phenylacetate,
Ginger Oil and Oleoresin,
1-Glutamic Acid,
1-Glutamine,
Glycerol,
Glycyrrhizin Ammoniated,
Grape Juice Concentrate,
Guaiac Wood Oil,
Guaiacol,
Guar Gum,
2,4-Heptadienal,
gamma-Heptalactone,
Heptanoic Acid,
2-Heptanone,
3-Hepten-2-One,
2-Hepten-4-One,
4-Heptenal,
trans -2-Heptenal,
Heptyl Acetate,
omega-6-Hexadecenlactone,
gamma-Hexalactone,
Hexanal,
Hexanoic Acid,
2-Hexen-1-Ol,
3-Hexen-1-Ol,
cis-3-Hexen-1-Yl Acetate,
2-Hexenal,
3-Hexenoic Acid,
trans-2-Hexenoic Acid,
cis-3-Hexenyl Formate,
Hexyl 2-Methylbutyrate,
Hexyl Acetate,
Hexyl Alcohol,
Hexyl Phenylacetate,
1-Histidine,
Honey,
Hops Oil,
Hydrolyzed Milk Solids,
Hydrolyzed Plant Proteins,
5-Hydroxy-2,4-Decadienoic Acid delta- Lactone,
4-Hydroxy-2,5-Dimethyl-3(2H)-Furanone,
2-Hydroxy-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One,
4-Hydroxy -3-Pentenoic Acid Lactone,
2-Hydroxy-4-Methylbenzaldehyde,
4-Hydroxybutanoic Acid Lactone,
Hydroxycitronellal,
6-Hydroxydihydrotheaspirane,
4-(para-Hydroxyphenyl)-2-Butanone,
Hyssop Oil,
Immortelle Absolute and Extract,
alpha-Ionone,
beta-Ionone,
alpha-Irone,
Isoamyl Acetate,
Isoamyl Benzoate,
Isoamyl Butyrate,
Isoamyl Cinnamate,
Isoamyl Formate, Isoamyl Hexanoate,
Isoamyl Isovalerate,
Isoamyl Octanoate,
Isoamyl Phenylacetate,
Isobornyl Acetate,
Isobutyl Acetate,
Isobutyl Alcohol,
Isobutyl Cinnamate,
Isobutyl Phenylacetate,
Isobutyl Salicylate,
2-Isobutyl-3-Methoxypyrazine,
alpha-Isobutylphenethyl Alcohol,
Isobutyraldehyde,
Isobutyric Acid,
d,l-Isoleucine,
alpha-Isomethylionone,
2-Isopropylphenol,
Isovaleric Acid,
Jasmine Absolute, Concrete and Oil,
Kola Nut Extract,
Labdanum Absolute and Oleoresin,
(continues...)

[Face Ache]

...Lactic Acid,
Lauric Acid,
Lauric Aldehyde,
Lavandin Oil,
Lavender Oil,
Lemon Oil and Extract,
Lemongrass Oil,
1-Leucine,
Levulinic Acid,
Licorice Root, Fluid, Extract and Powder,
Lime Oil ,
Linalool,
Linalool Oxide,
Linalyl Acetate,
Linden Flowers,
Lovage Oil And Extract,
1-Lysine,
Mace Powder, Extract and Oil ,
Magnesium Carbonate,
Malic Acid,
Malt and Malt Extract,
Maltodextrin,
Maltol,
Maltyl Isobutyrate,
Mandarin Oil,
Maple Syrup and Concentrate,
Mate Leaf, Absolute and Oil,
para-Mentha-8-Thiol-3-One,
Menthol,
Menthone,
Menthyl Acetate,
dl-Methionine,
Methoprene,
2-Methoxy-4-Methylphenol,
2-Methoxy-4-Vinylphenol,
para-Methoxybenzaldehyde,
1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-1-Penten-3-One,
4-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Butanone,
1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Propanone,
Methoxypyrazine,
Methyl 2-Furoate,
Methyl 2-Octynoate,
Methyl 2-Pyrrolyl Ketone,
Methyl Anisate,
Methyl Anthranilate,
Methyl Benzoate,
Methyl Cinnamate,
Methyl Dihydrojasmonate,
Methyl Ester of Rosin, Partially Hydrogenated,
Methyl Isovalerate,
Methyl Linoleate (48%),
Methyl Linolenate (52%) Mixture,
Methyl Naphthyl Ketone,
Methyl Nicotinate,
Methyl Phenylacetate,
Methyl Salicylate,
Methyl Sulfide,
3-Methyl-1-Cyclopentadecanone,
4-Methyl-1-Phenyl-2-Pentanone,
5-Methyl-2-Phenyl-2-Hexenal,
5-Methyl-2-Thiophenecarboxaldehyde,
6-Methyl-3,-5-Heptadien-2-One,
2-Methyl-3-(para-Isopropylphenyl) Propionaldehyde,
5-Methyl-3-Hexen-2-One,
1-Methyl-3Methoxy-4-Isopropylbenzene,
4-Methyl-3-Pentene-2-One,
2-Methyl-4-Phenylbutyraldehyde,
6-Methyl-5-Hepten-2-One,
4-Methyl-5-Thiazoleethanol,
4-Methyl-5-Vinylthiazole,
Methyl-alpha-Ionone,
Methyl-trans-2-Butenoic Acid,
4-Methylacetophenone,
para-Methylanisole,
alpha-Methylbenzyl Acetate,
alpha-Methylbenzyl Alcohol,
2-Methylbutyraldehyde,
3-Methylbutyraldehyde,
2-Methylbutyric Acid,
alpha-Methylcinnamaldehyde,
Methylcyclopentenolone,
2-Methylheptanoic Acid,
2-Methylhexanoic Acid,
3-Methylpentanoic Acid,
4-Methylpentanoic Acid,
2-Methylpyrazine,
5-Methylquinoxaline,
2-Methyltetrahydrofuran-3-One,
(Methylthio)Methylpyrazine (Mixture Of Isomers),
3-Methylthiopropionaldehyde,
Methyl 3-Methylthiopropionate,
2-Methylvaleric Acid,
Mimosa Absolute and Extract,
Molasses Extract and Tincture,
Mountain Maple Solid Extract,
Mullein Flowers,
Myristaldehyde,
Myristic Acid,
Myrrh Oil,
beta-Napthyl Ethyl Ether,
Nerol,
Neroli Bigarde Oil,
Nerolidol,
Nona-2-trans,6-cis-Dienal,
2,6-Nonadien-1-Ol,
gamma-Nonalactone,
Nonanal,
Nonanoic Acid,
Nonanone,
trans-2-Nonen-1-Ol,
2-Nonenal,
Nonyl Acetate,
Nutmeg Powder and Oil,
Oak Chips Extract and Oil,
Oak Moss Absolute,
9,12-Octadecadienoic Acid (48%) And 9,12,15-Octadecatrienoic Acid (52%),
delta-Octalactone,
gamma-Octalactone,
Octanal,
Octanoic Acid,
1-Octanol,
2-Octanone,
3-Octen-2-One,
1-Octen-3-Ol,
1-Octen-3-Yl Acetate,
2-Octenal,
Octyl Isobutyrate,
Oleic Acid ,
Olibanum Oil,
Opoponax Oil And Gum,
Orange Blossoms Water, Absolute, and Leaf Absolute,
Orange Oil and Extract,
Origanum Oil,
Orris Concrete Oil and Root Extract,
Palmarosa Oil,
Palmitic Acid,
Parsley Seed Oil,
Patchouli Oil,
omega-Pentadecalactone,
2,3-Pentanedione,
2-Pentanone,
4-Pentenoic Acid,
2-Pentylpyridine,
Pepper Oil, Black And White,
Peppermint Oil,
Peruvian (Bois De Rose) Oil,
Petitgrain Absolute, Mandarin Oil and Terpeneless Oil,
alpha-Phellandrene,
2-Phenenthyl Acetate,
Phenenthyl Alcohol,
Phenethyl Butyrate,
Phenethyl Cinnamate,
Phenethyl Isobutyrate,
Phenethyl Isovalerate,
Phenethyl Phenylacetate,
Phenethyl Salicylate,
1-Phenyl-1-Propanol,
3-Phenyl-1-Propanol,
2-Phenyl-2-Butenal,
4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-Ol,
4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-One,
Phenylacetaldehyde,
Phenylacetic Acid,
1-Phenylalanine,
3-Phenylpropionaldehyde,
3-Phenylpropionic Acid,
3-Phenylpropyl Acetate,
3-Phenylpropyl Cinnamate,
2-(3-Phenylpropyl)Tetrahydrofuran,
Phosphoric Acid,
Pimenta Leaf Oil,
Pine Needle Oil, Pine Oil, Scotch,
Pineapple Juice Concentrate,
alpha-Pinene, beta-Pinene,
D-Piperitone,
Piperonal,
Pipsissewa Leaf Extract,
Plum Juice,
Potassium Sorbate,
1-Proline,
Propenylguaethol,
Propionic Acid,
Propyl Acetate,
Propyl para-Hydroxybenzoate,
Propylene Glycol,
3-Propylidenephthalide,
Prune Juice and Concentrate,
Pyridine,
Pyroligneous Acid And Extract,
Pyrrole,
Pyruvic Acid,
Raisin Juice Concentrate,
Rhodinol,
Rose Absolute and Oil,
Rosemary Oil,
Rum,
Rum Ether,
Rye Extract,
Sage, Sage Oil, and Sage Oleoresin,
Salicylaldehyde,
Sandalwood Oil, Yellow,
Sclareolide,
Skatole,
Smoke Flavor,
Snakeroot Oil,
Sodium Acetate,
Sodium Benzoate,
Sodium Bicarbonate,
Sodium Carbonate,
Sodium Chloride,
Sodium Citrate,
Sodium Hydroxide,
Solanone,
Spearmint Oil,
Styrax Extract, Gum and Oil,
Sucrose Octaacetate,
Sugar Alcohols,
Sugars,
Tagetes Oil,
Tannic Acid,
Tartaric Acid,
Tea Leaf and Absolute,
alpha-Terpineol,
Terpinolene,
Terpinyl Acetate,
5,6,7,8-Tetrahydroquinoxaline,
1,5,5,9-Tetramethyl-13-Oxatricyclo(8.3.0.0(4,9))Tridecane,
2,3,4,5, and 3,4,5,6-Tetramethylethyl-Cyclohexanone,
2,3,5,6-Tetramethylpyrazine,
Thiamine Hydrochloride,
Thiazole,
1-Threonine,
Thyme Oil, White and Red,
Thymol,
Tobacco Extracts,
Tochopherols (mixed),
Tolu Balsam Gum and Extract,
Tolualdehydes,
para-Tolyl 3-Methylbutyrate,
para-Tolyl Acetaldehyde,
para-Tolyl Acetate,
para-Tolyl Isobutyrate,
para-Tolyl Phenylacetate,
Triacetin,
2-Tridecanone,
2-Tridecenal,
Triethyl Citrate,
3,5,5-Trimethyl -1-Hexanol,
para,alpha,alpha-Trimethylbenzyl Alcohol,
4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-1-Enyl)But-2-En-4-One,
2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-2-Ene-1,4-Dione,
2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,3-Dienyl Methan,
4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,3-Dienyl)But-2-En-4-One,
2,2,6-Trimethylcyclohexanone,
2,3,5-Trimethylpyrazine,
1-Tyrosine,
delta-Undercalactone,
gamma-Undecalactone,
Undecanal,
2-Undecanone, 1
0-Undecenal,
Urea,
Valencene,
Valeraldehyde,
Valerian Root Extract, Oil and Powder,
Valeric Acid,
gamma-Valerolactone,
Valine,
Vanilla Extract And Oleoresin,
Vanillin,
Veratraldehyde,
Vetiver Oil,
Vinegar,
Violet Leaf Absolute,
Walnut Hull Extract,
Water,
Wheat Extract And Flour,
Wild Cherry Bark Extract,
Wine and Wine Sherry,
Xanthan Gum,
3,4-Xylenol,
and Yeast.

Whew!

[dillerX]

MMMM, Wild Cherry Bark extract. *drool*

[ink]

Originally posted by Face Ache:
Known additives to cigarettes:

That's why you should stick to Nat Sherman of course.

[Thrax]

Originally posted by davidflas:
In addition to all the health effects, I wonder why so many people are willing to be whores for the big tobacco companies... Even satan goes to them for lessons on how to be evil. M$ can't even hold a candle to the big players in the tobacco game, despite the settlements in the US....

With all due respect, the tobacco companies admitted that cigarattes are addictive and unhealthy back in 1998. Not only that, despite PSA's that villify tobacco companies rather than tell people to stop smoking, they also stopped marketing to children.

Amazing how much less hated the tobacco companies became as soon as they did these two things.

[denim]

Originally posted by Thrax:
Amazing how much less hated the tobacco companies became as soon as they did these two things.

Feh, they're still Evil. Stop the tobacco subsidies!!

[TNproud2b]

Don't stop the tobacco subsidies.

Half of my family grows tobacco.

Get rid of food stamps - none of my family uses those.

[Andrew 8808]

I have to admit that I'm a current smoker. Too young to be one damn it. The funny thing is, I know it's bad, I know it's gross, and pretty pointless, yet I still do it. I've been thinking of trying to quit anyways...Hmmmm...

[scaught]

Originally posted by Thrax:


With all due respect, the tobacco companies admitted that cigarattes are addictive and unhealthy back in 1998. Not only that, despite PSA's that villify tobacco companies rather than tell people to stop smoking, they also stopped marketing to children.

Amazing how much less hated the tobacco companies became as soon as they did these two things.

ya. what a bunch of saints. amazing.

[OldManMac]

Cigarette companies are just providing a marketable product. I started smoking when I was 14, because my "friends" were smoking, and I, like most teens, wanted to fit in, and be "cool". I smoked for ten years, long after those "friends" were no longer in my life. I quit because I decided I wanted to be around on this planet a while longer, without hacking, coughing, and wheezing by the time I reached middle age, which I have done without serious medical issues! The cigarette companies didn't force me to smoke; I did! Nicotine may be addictive, but at the end of the day, when you look in the mirror, it's only you that can break the addiction, whether it's cigarettes, alcohol, drugs, or whatever! I'm not saying it's easy; I'm saying it's possible, and the choice is yours, and yours alone!

[denim]

Originally posted by TNproud2b:
Half of my family grows tobacco.

Yeah, that's always the problem. I generally maintain to such people that they can grow things with a positive effect, and I don't want to subsidise addictive drugs.

[denim]

Originally posted by KarlG:
The cigarette companies didn't force me to smoke; I did!

They make sure to make it seem as "cool" as possible, they add stuff to make it harder to quit, and they deny (generally) that there's a problem.

No way am I letting them off the hook.

[The Jackalope]

Originally posted by L'enfanTerrible:


I'm curious to know what you said. I missed it the first time.

Eh, not much that hasn't allready been said. I smoked, then quit. It does suck, but its doable.

Yes, cut all subsidies to tobacco companies! Cut subsidies to ALL companies! Cut subsidies to everyone! No welfare, corporate or otherwise! I believe in capitalism, not mercantilism.

Really its a free choice matter.

[Thrax]

Originally posted by denim:


They make sure to make it seem as "cool" as possible, they add stuff to make it harder to quit, and they deny (generally) that there's a problem.

No way am I letting them off the hook.

Hello? Have you seen television, radio, magazines, newspapers, and other media with advertising? There are thousands of products out there that marketers make sure to seem as "cool" as possible.

Liquor companies are still marketing to children. coughMike'sHardLemonadecough Maybe we should force the companies that make them to pay large sums of money to the government. After all, they sell products that are exremely addictive and difficult to quit.

Hell, we're now finding that fat and sugar have addictive qualities similar to alcohol, tobacco, and illegal drugs. Maybe we should outlaw products that use these substances altogether. After all, it's children who consume the most fat and sugar.

[L'enfanTerrible]

Originally posted by Thrax:


Hello? Have you seen television, radio, magazines, newspapers, and other media with advertising? There are thousands of products out there that marketers make sure to seem as "cool" as possible.

Liquor companies are still marketing to children. coughMike'sHardLemonadecough Maybe we should force the companies that make them to pay large sums of money to the government. After all, they sell products that are exremely addictive and difficult to quit.

Hell, we're now finding that fat and sugar have addictive qualities similar to alcohol, tobacco, and illegal drugs. Maybe we should outlaw products that use these substances altogether. After all, it's children who consume the most fat and sugar.

Most products that are marketed towards children don't cause lung cancer, emphysima (sp?), and heart disease. I think Mead 5 Star Binders are pretty safe. Even a dose of Jar Jar Binks won't kill anyone, but it may cause serious lip-envy, so be warned.

However, you bring up a pretty bad point with alcohol. Alcohol is not marketed towards kids, it is marketed towards the perfect demographic... college students. I think alcohol abuse in high school is pretty low if you look at the numbers. However, there are teens with alcohol problems, and it is pretty easy to spot one and advise treatment. There are great al-anon treatments for teens these days. However cigarettes do not intoxicate you, and so it's a sort of silent killer. No one sees any problem until its too late, and a teen smoker is not percieved as a problem.

I am a live and let live kind of guy, so I don't really care what people do to themselves.. I am just a man trying to break down a few walls, starting with ones in my own mind.

[Thrax]

Originally posted by L'enfanTerrible:


Most products that are marketed towards children don't cause lung cancer, emphysima (sp?), and heart disease. I think Mead 5 Star Binders are pretty safe. Even a dose of Jar Jar Binks won't kill anyone, but it may cause serious lip-envy, so be warned.

As I mentioned before, they stopped marketing to kids in 1998. In fact, the tobacco companies fund most of the antismoking campaigns out there today. This includes those "Truth" ads that they sued over because they were villifying tobacco companies instead of telling people not to smoke.

However, you bring up a pretty bad point with alcohol. Alcohol is not marketed towards kids, it is marketed towards the perfect demographic... college students. I think alcohol abuse in high school is pretty low if you look at the numbers. However, there are teens with alcohol problems, and it is pretty easy to spot one and advise treatment. There are great al-anon treatments for teens these days. However cigarettes do not intoxicate you, and so it's a sort of silent killer. No one sees any problem until its too late, and a teen smoker is not percieved as a problem.

The most obvious marketing towards kids have disappeared. We no longer see beer t-shirts in small sizes; there are no more cute mascots for beer; there are no more beer ads on MTV. However, we still see beer ads on sports programming and in sports arenas. (Despite the fact that men 25-54 are their primary audience, there are plenty of children watching sports on television and at the games themselves.) Believe me, those Mike's Hard Lemonade ads and those Coors Light ads from a few years ago are aimed at high school students. The obnoxious humor, the extreme pace, and the multiple focal points are things that most people grow out of by the age of 16.

And if a parent cannot tell that a child has been smoking or does not care, that's bad parenting. The stench cigarettes leave on clothing are awfully strong and last for some time. A parent who doesn't notice this or doesn't care is not paying any attention or is neglecting the child's health.

[denim]

Originally posted by Thrax:
Hello? Have you seen television, radio, magazines, newspapers, and other media with advertising? There are thousands of products out there that marketers make sure to seem as "cool" as possible.

Yes, however they don't do it

• by offering cheap smokes to soldiers
• using cartoon characters to peddle addictive drugs
• with major tax subsidies (in general. "Got Milk?")
• with a product that has zero positive value and has been shown to lead to a variety of nasty ways to die
• while denying the addictive qualities and adding more

I could go on, but it would require more than a few seconds thought.

Liquor companies are still marketing to children. coughMike'sHardLemonadecough

I don't see that. I've seen a large amount of effort put behind the attempt to prevent casual underage drinking, in fact. I don't see that so much in the tobacco industry. Note that I'm not saying your wrong, nor am I saying that the alcohol industry is good, but I am saying that there's a difference.

Maybe we should force the companies that make them to pay large sums of money to the government. After all, they sell products that are exremely addictive and difficult to quit.

So it's okay because others are doing it, huh? Tell it to Enron. Tell it to Worldcom. Tell it to their (former) employees.

Hell, we're now finding that fat and sugar have addictive qualities similar to alcohol, tobacco, and illegal drugs.

You can strike the word "illegal", as that's just begging the question.

[Thrax]

Originally posted by denim:


Yes, however they don't do it

• by offering cheap smokes to soldiers
• using cartoon characters to peddle addictive drugs
• with major tax subsidies (in general. "Got Milk?")
• with a product that has zero positive value and has been shown to lead to a variety of nasty ways to die
• while denying the addictive qualities and adding more

I could go on, but it would require more than a few seconds thought.

You're a Massachusetts native, aren't you?

Have you seen Joe Camel lately? They stopped doing most of these things in 1998. The tobacco companies admitted that cigarettes are bad, addictive, and were marketed to kids. They stopped. They pay a number of states big money because they used to do these things. They fund most of the anti-smoking campaigns out there - including those "Truth" ads that they sued over because they villified tobacco companies instead of telling people that smoking is bad.

And if you're going to go after harmful things that have no positive value, you'll find that tobacco is far from the only one. Alcohol is bad for personal health and society. Most of the music with parental advisory labels is aimed at minors; and if it were any other medium, it would be considered pornography? (Have you heard some of the music playing on MTV? Those are edited versions!)

Hell, if I wanted to, I could practice Satanism. As long as I don't sacrifice a human being (or an animal without a permit), I'm well within my rights.

We can't, and shouldn't, ban/tax everything that isn't safe/bad for society.

I don't see that. I've seen a large amount of effort put behind the attempt to prevent casual underage drinking, in fact. I don't see that so much in the tobacco industry. Note that I'm not saying your wrong, nor am I saying that the alcohol industry is good, but I am saying that there's a difference.

The liquor industry funds, in part, big campaigns that tell minors that drinking is illegal/dangerous and that drunk driving is too. At the same time they lobby against any effort to increase regulations against the industry, regardless of how reasonable they are. And as I mentioned before, some of their advertising is still aimed at minors - including those Coors ads that mentioned that you had to be at least 21 to drink.

So it's okay because others are doing it, huh? Tell it to Enron. Tell it to Worldcom. Tell it to their (former) employees.

Never claimed it was. Both the federal government and many state governments settled with the tobacco industry. Anderson was forced out of business by the government. Enron, Worldcom, Imclone, Adelphia, Qwest, Global Crossing, Waste Management, AOL Time Warner, and a number of other alleged crooked companies are being investigated/prosecuted by the government and their shareholders/employees are filing their own suits. I support all of this. If you break the law, you should be prosecuted.

[OldManMac]

Originally posted by denim:


They make sure to make it seem as "cool" as possible, they add stuff to make it harder to quit, and they deny (generally) that there's a problem.

No way am I letting them off the hook.

Because they make it "cool", is not an acceptable reason for you to take a risk that you know has an extremely high possibility of causing you irreversible damage! Not letting them off the hook is just another excuse for being unable to control your own actions. As I said previously, at the end of the day, when you look in your mirror, you, and only you can determine whether that risk is acceptable! If you choose to take that risk, you should be ready to suffer the possible consequences. Don't pass the costs associated with that risk, such as higher medical costs, on to me because you can't control yourself.

[OldManMac]

Originally posted by denim:


They make sure to make it seem as "cool" as possible, they add stuff to make it harder to quit, and they deny (generally) that there's a problem.

No way am I letting them off the hook.

Because they make it "cool", is not an acceptable reason for you to take a risk that you know has an extremely high possibility of causing you irreversible damage! Not letting them off the hook is just another excuse for being unable to control your own actions. As I said previously, at the end of the day, when you look in your mirror, you, and only you can determine whether that risk is acceptable! If you choose to take that risk, you should be ready to suffer the possible consequences. Don't pass the costs associated with that risk, such as higher medical costs, on to me because you can't control yourself.

[denim]

Originally posted by KarlG:
Don't pass the costs associated with that risk, such as higher medical costs, on to me because you can't control yourself.

No argument! I'm not a smoker, guy.

I just don't understand why people do it these days, but they do. And they were pushed into it by the images forced on them by the tobacco companies. A little money won't help much. And ceasing to do what they were doing 4 years ago is not saying much; they've just changed their methods, not their message.

[Thrax]

Originally posted by denim:


And ceasing to do what they were doing 4 years ago is not saying much; they've just changed their methods, not their message.

Care to explain this? The tobacco companies admitted that cigarettes are harmful and addictive. They stopped marketing to children. (In fact, they're not allowed to do much in the way of marketing at all.) They fund most of the anti-smoking campaigns out there.

Just what is it about their message that has not changed?

[juanvaldes]

Originally posted by scaught:


suggestions from a former smoker.
1. dont count the days. it creates the "i havent had one in forever, im a good kid, ill just have one" excuse which is so common.
2. mind over matter. its all it is. you never smoked. you have no desire. thats it. there are really no substitutes for this simple plan in my opinion. you cant replace an addiction with something else.

1) oh god do I know that one... did that song and dance for six months until I got out of my job and out of my tower to where I could really quit.

2) too true. You can do it, it's hard at times but when you look back on it after a few years you will truly wonder why you started in the first place.

3) smoke pot. Great way to one get that 'I must smoke something' anxiety out, two when your stoned you don't think about it anymore and uhh...I forgot three.

[Thrax]

Originally posted by juanvaldes:


3) smoke pot. Great way to one get that 'I must smoke something' anxiety out, two when your stoned you don't think about it anymore and uhh...I forgot three.

Great idea! Instead of smoking something legal that might kill you, smoke something illegal that won't kill you but will make you stupid and impotent instead!

[malvolio]

Originally posted by Thrax:


Great idea! Instead of smoking something legal that might kill you, smoke something illegal that won't kill you but will make you stupid and impotent instead!

Ummm, know how many children Bob Marley fathered? And what about the guys who invented the Mac, eh?
Anyhow, back to tobacco. I've been smoking since I was 12. I am deeply addicted. But in the interest of factuality, I gotta point out that smoking tobacco is not totally negative. It has been shown to improve one's ability to concentrate.
I know, I know, not exactly a good cost/benefit ratio.
And hey, I buy my smokes from oppressed Native Americans, and screw the government tax collectors at the same time!

[Cipher13]

Heh. "Addiction" is psychological.

If you can't beat it, you're weak minded.

It just isn't that hard...

[El Pre$idente]

? kills

[denim]

Originally posted by Thrax:
Just what is it about their message that has not changed?

They still sell the things. I still see their ads occasionally. Cigarettes are still visable in normal stores, when they should be hidden behind counters and only be available by prescription. The "Truth" ads were the best things I've seen in quite a long time.

Am I being clearer? I wouldn't want to be unclear: I want these companies to die. I want them bankrupted. I feel they should be historical examples of why it's bad to make products which are known to harm people. I consider them evil beyond anything any terrorist has ever done. Bin Laden has killed only a few thousand. He's got nothing on the tobacco companies.

And only one of the companies you're referring to admitted anything. The rest were forced to settle by the courts.

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by denim:


They still sell the things. I still see their ads occasionally. Cigarettes are still visable in normal stores, when they should be hidden behind counters and only be available by prescription. The "Truth" ads were the best things I've seen in quite a long time.

Am I being clearer? I wouldn't want to be unclear: I want these companies to die. I want them bankrupted. I feel they should be historical examples of why it's bad to make products which are known to harm people. I consider them evil beyond anything any terrorist has ever done. Bin Laden has killed only a few thousand. He's got nothing on the tobacco companies.

And only one of the companies you're referring to admitted anything. The rest were forced to settle by the courts.

Nobody forces people to buy cigarettes.

[OreoCookie]

There is also a genetic factor to it, I speak of addictions in general. In the family of my mother, a lot of people have that �gene' (most are smoking, quite a few have problems with alcohol and even drug addiction).

My father, my sister and I can start and stop smoking whenever we want to (we don't have that craving at all). But my mom and my brother got hooked so easily, and they just can't stop.

[denim]

Originally posted by Cipher13:
Nobody forces people to buy cigarettes.

Never heard of peer pressure, huh? And it's the tobacco companies which started the "it's cool!" thing. It's not enough for them to stop saying that, as it's self-perpetuating. They have to actively counteract that message.

[swimp]

My best tip for quitting smoking is just to waste _all_ your ca$h on something else..

Swimp's thesis: "If you don't have money to buy cigarettes, you don't have any cigarettes, and if you don't have any cigarettes, you can't smoke"

The famous thesis above (heh was created before the whole "can i please have a cig? yea sure man"-thing..

[L'enfanTerrible]

Originally posted by swimp:
My best tip for quitting smoking is just to waste _all_ your ca$h on something else..

Swimp's thesis: "If you don't have money to buy cigarettes, you don't have any cigarettes, and if you don't have any cigarettes, you can't smoke"

The famous thesis above (heh was created before the whole "can i please have a cig? yea sure man"-thing..

I'm honoured that your first post was in my thread.. welcome to the board

[Thrax]

Originally posted by denim:


They still sell the things. I still see their ads occasionally. Cigarettes are still visable in normal stores, when they should be hidden behind counters and only be available by prescription. The "Truth" ads were the best things I've seen in quite a long time.

I fail to see how the visibility factor makes a difference. Cigarettes are behind counters so children cannot get their hands on them. There are no compelling images on the packaging to make children want them; Joe Camel is long gone.

What is left of magazine advertising is in magazines that few children read. It is aimed strictly at adults.

And those "Truth" ads were funded by the tobacco companies. I think you like them so much because the early ones villified the tobacco companies - which got them sued by the tobacco companies.

Am I being clearer? I wouldn't want to be unclear: I want these companies to die. I want them bankrupted. I feel they should be historical examples of why it's bad to make products which are known to harm people. I consider them evil beyond anything any terrorist has ever done. Bin Laden has killed only a few thousand. He's got nothing on the tobacco companies.

Yes, they're still sold. Yes, they're dangerous. So is alcohol. That was outlawed once and we know what that lead to.

And only one of the companies you're referring to admitted anything. The rest were forced to settle by the courts.

Just what made the tobacco companies admit that tobacco is dangerous and addictive does not matter. What matters is that they admitted it and stopped marketing to children.

If you want to villify them because of the reason why they changed their ways, you might as well go after Waste Management for only changing its accounting practices because it was caught by the SEC.

[zigzag]

Originally posted by malvolio:
But in the interest of factuality, I gotta point out that smoking tobacco is not totally negative. It has been shown to improve one's ability to concentrate.
I know, I know, not exactly a good cost/benefit ratio.
And hey, I buy my smokes from oppressed Native Americans, and screw the government tax collectors at the same time!

If you want the benefits without the dangers, you might try Nicorette gum. You get the concentration-enhancing effects of nicotine without the smoke. And nicotine by itself, while addictive, is pretty benign, not unlike caffeine. I know people who have never smoked who chew Nicorette gum for an occasional lift.