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Peabo · Jul 1, 2002, 06:47 PM

Can someone post a link to the OS X version of simpletext? I'd love to try iy out but I don't really wanna install the devtools on my mac

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jul 1, 2002, 07:19 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ckohler:
So what's you're point; that people's opinions on what they consider fast can't change?<hr /></blockquote>No, I mean peoples reviews of speed are retarded and 99% wrong.

ckohler · Jul 1, 2002, 08:10 PM

It's not a matter of right or wrong. It's an opinion. If the guy thinks it feels fast and "snappy" then it's fast and snappy. You may not but then that's your opinion.

Yoda's Erotic Piggyback · Jul 1, 2002, 09:16 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ckohler:
It's not a matter of right or wrong. It's an opinion. If the guy thinks it feels fast and "snappy" then it's fast and snappy. You may not but then that's your opinion.<hr /></blockquote>Nooo way. With 10.0 and 10.1 we all heard "Apps open instantly, window resizing is instant with no delay, no lags, everything is snappy bla bla bla." Just like what we are probably hearing now.

Adam Betts · Jul 2, 2002, 12:00 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Yoda's Erotic Piggyback:
Nooo way. With 10.0 and 10.1 we all heard "Apps open instantly, window resizing is instant with no delay, no lags, everything is snappy bla bla bla." Just like what we are probably hearing now.<hr /></blockquote>So, are you saying that Apple never worked on improving the speed since 10.0?

Oh please

BuonRotto · Jul 2, 2002, 12:19 AM

Like those get-rich-quick TV ads say: past performance is not indicative of future results. Speed could really be better, it could really not be. You don't know, I don't know, they don't know, no one knows until Jaguar comes out. So there are no facts here, just guesses, opinions, speculation, placebos, hypotheses, conjecture, and a dash of faith. In the mean time, relax and enjoy the ride or not.

undotwa · Jul 2, 2002, 12:36 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Yoda's Erotic Piggyback:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ckohler:
It's not a matter of right or wrong. It's an opinion. If the guy thinks it feels fast and "snappy" then it's fast and snappy. You may not but then that's your opinion.<hr /></blockquote>Nooo way. With 10.0 and 10.1 we all heard "Apps open instantly, window resizing is instant with no delay, no lags, everything is snappy bla bla bla." Just like what we are probably hearing now.<hr /></blockquote>Compared to 10.0, and this is compared to 10.1

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jul 2, 2002, 01:22 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Adam Betts:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Yoda's Erotic Piggyback:
Nooo way. With 10.0 and 10.1 we all heard "Apps open instantly, window resizing is instant with no delay, no lags, everything is snappy bla bla bla." Just like what we are probably hearing now.<hr /></blockquote>So, are you saying that Apple never worked on improving the speed since 10.0?

Oh please

<hr /></blockquote>Huh? What I am saying that if people say that apps open instantly, and resizing is perfect on 10.0 that what are they doing on 10.1? If eary builds of 10.1 is as snappy as it gets then what the hell is 10.2? Apps open before you even click them?

Adam Betts · Jul 2, 2002, 01:45 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Huh? What I am saying that if people say that apps open instantly, and resizing is perfect on 10.0 that what are they doing on 10.1? If eary builds of 10.1 is as snappy as it gets then what the hell is 10.2? Apps open before you even click them?<hr /></blockquote>Hmm, can you find at least *one* post that said 10.1 is "perfect"?

I don't think so.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jul 2, 2002, 02:02 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Adam Betts:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Huh? What I am saying that if people say that apps open instantly, and resizing is perfect on 10.0 that what are they doing on 10.1? If eary builds of 10.1 is as snappy as it gets then what the hell is 10.2? Apps open before you even click them?<hr /></blockquote>Hmm, can you find at least *one* post that said 10.1 is "perfect"?

I don't think so.<hr /></blockquote>Actually I can show you more then one post that say's 10.0 is the fastest OS on the planet. This is even coming from a guy who runs a Mac site.

Nice try though adam <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Adam Betts · Jul 2, 2002, 02:34 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Actually I can show you more then one post that say's 10.0 is the fastest OS on the planet. This is even coming from a guy who runs a Mac site.

Nice try though adam <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Perhaps you didn't research enough but high percent of OSX user said that OSX is slower than those who said it's fast (as of 10.0 - 10.1). This is even coming from a guy who created OS X <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

I needn't say how many "Genie Effect will lose easily in Special Olympics", "Window Resize is slower than my grandmother", "I think I had more coffee break in OS X than I does in OS 9" post you can find around here

Oh, also don't forget about this image:

<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/adambetts/MacNN/SpinningRainbow.gif" alt=" - " />

And here's to people who hope that Jagwire will be fast:

<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/adambetts/MacNN/DeathOfRainbow.gif" alt=" - " />

AKcrab · Jul 2, 2002, 02:37 AM

You two should kiss and make up. No more bickering.
(although you're both so damn polite about it...)

Guy Incognito · Jul 2, 2002, 02:40 AM

[edit: forget it...]

[ 07-02-2002, 02:40 AM: Message edited by: Guy Incognito ]

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jul 2, 2002, 04:03 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Adam Betts:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
[qb]Perhaps you didn't research enough but high percent of OSX user said that OSX is slower than those who said it's fast (as of 10.0 - 10.1). This is even coming from a guy who created OS X<hr /></blockquote>Exactly. My point is to take the "10.2 is so damn snappy" with a grain of salt.

What was your point again?

Adam Betts · Jul 2, 2002, 04:20 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Exactly. My point is to take the "10.2 is so damn snappy" with a grain of salt.

What was your point again?<hr /></blockquote>My point?

10.2 is snappy and everyone knew it too, even you.

BTW, there's nothing wrong with being exciting for the snappiness of 10.2, right? Don't be too black-hearted or I'll begin to think that it's a canada thingy

Appleman · Jul 2, 2002, 04:46 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DasDaSein+:
Sherlock: back to the roots (puh, I hope they'll keep this for final)

<img src="http://www.wsc-net.com/mac/sherlock.jpg" alt=" - " /><hr /></blockquote>Apple Care looks kind of coming from Switserland to me, while you would expect more something like the flag of the Red Cross

Jamie · Jul 2, 2002, 04:51 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Appleman:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DasDaSein+:
Sherlock: back to the roots (puh, I hope they'll keep this for final)

<img src="http://www.wsc-net.com/mac/sherlock.jpg" alt=" - " /><hr /></blockquote>Apple Care looks kind of coming from Switserland to me, while you would expect more something like the flag of the Red Cross<hr /></blockquote>Isn't the Red Cross logo a red cross? The Apple Care button looks like a white cross to me. <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" />

J

DasDaSein+ · Jul 2, 2002, 04:58 AM

One more pointer:

<img src="http://www.wsc-net.com/mac/not.jpg" alt=" - " />

DasDaSein+ · Jul 2, 2002, 05:04 AM

...and btw, ftp access via finder works in 6C75. A feature I've really been waiting for, ftp servers just mount on desktop as if they were on LAN. If apple manages to get this work porberly, there will be hard times for RBrowser, Fetch, Captain FTP, Interarchy and so on.

Appleman · Jul 2, 2002, 05:11 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jambo:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Appleman:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DasDaSein+:
Sherlock: back to the roots (puh, I hope they'll keep this for final)

<hr /></blockquote>Apple Care looks kind of coming from Switserland to me, while you would expect more something like the flag of the Red Cross<hr /></blockquote>Isn't the Red Cross logo a red cross? The Apple Care button looks like a white cross to me. <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" />

J

<hr /></blockquote>That's what I mean: the Apple Care logo should be something like "help", "assistance", whatever, and therefor should / could be referred to the Red Cross (which has a RED cross) instead of Switserland flag

Judge_Fire · Jul 2, 2002, 05:29 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />should / could be referred to the Red Cross (which has a RED cross) instead of Switserland flag<hr /></blockquote>IIRC, the Red Cross (and Crescent) as a symbol is protected by the Geneva treaty and any unauthorized use is strictly prohibited by international law.

It should never be used outside the medical (emergency?) context .

J

[ 07-02-2002, 05:30 AM: Message edited by: Judge_Fire ]

Proxi · Jul 2, 2002, 05:40 AM

The AppleCare Icon looks definitely like the swiss flag.

AppleCare = SwissHelp ?

Gruezi

[ 07-02-2002, 05:40 AM: Message edited by: Proxi ]

Mr Scruff · Jul 2, 2002, 05:52 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DasDaSein+:
...and btw, ftp access via finder works in 6C75. A feature I've really been waiting for, ftp servers just mount on desktop as if they were on LAN. If apple manages to get this work porberly, there will be hard times for RBrowser, Fetch, Captain FTP, Interarchy and so on.<hr /></blockquote>To take a break from the important flag issue ... FTP in finder rocks! Does it work better than the Windows implementation, that hangs explorer totally depending on the network speed? Could we have a screenshot? (Post a link if you're worried about bandwidth).

CarpetFluff · Jul 2, 2002, 06:44 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> To take a break from the important flag issue ... <hr /></blockquote>Ah! sweet sarcasm, you gotta love us brits for that! I too think FTP in the finder would kick ass, everything should work this way so that the differences in protocols are pretty much transparent to the average user.

DasDaSein+ · Jul 2, 2002, 06:46 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mr Scruff:
To take a break from the important flag issue ... FTP in finder rocks! Does it work better than the Windows implementation, that hangs explorer totally depending on the network speed? Could we have a screenshot? (Post a link if you're worried about bandwidth).<hr /></blockquote>No problem, but like I said before this looks exactly like a network volume. Ftp in finder works fine speed-wise, in fact it works better than iDisk. But you have to be careful not to check the new 'Show icon preview' in View Options pane - this will hang finder until preview icons are generated for every little gif, jpeg even in sub folders. So there needs to be a checkbox for disableing this feature for network volumes.

<img src="http://www.wsc-net.com/mac/ftp.jpg" alt=" - " />

SYN · Jul 2, 2002, 06:54 AM

Nice... While connecting to an ftp server, or waiting for the directory listing of a large directory, does the Finder hang?

Also:

Does the get info window update the item size live? For instance start a download, and do a get info on the file being downloaded, is the size static or does it update live?
Also, do items that are being downloaded appear instantly on the desktop or is there still a lag? Do IE download icons change to show the file progress or do they stay the same?

Sorry to repeat my questions, but I'd like to know about that

The Milkman · Jul 2, 2002, 06:59 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Adam Betts:
And here's to people who hope that Jagwire will be fast:
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/adambetts/MacNN/DeathOfRainbow.gif" alt=" - " />[/QB]<hr /></blockquote>Hehe, great one. Why don't you send it to Apple so they can put it on their Os X page

(Didn't really get it until I remembered to switch on anim gifs in Omniweb)
Mm.

Jamie · Jul 2, 2002, 07:15 AM

Can you post a shot of the new target style cursor which appears when dragging?

Does it only appear when taking cmd-shift-4 screenshots?

J

DasDaSein+ · Jul 2, 2002, 07:15 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by SYN:
Nice... While connecting to an ftp server, or waiting for the directory listing of a large directory, does the Finder hang?

Also:

Does the get info window update the item size live? For instance start a download, and do a get info on the file being downloaded, is the size static or does it update live?
Also, do items that are being downloaded appear instantly on the desktop or is there still a lag? Do IE download icons change to show the file progress or do they stay the same?

Sorry to repeat my questions, but I'd like to know about that

<hr /></blockquote>No, finder only hangs when 'Show icon preview' is enabled. Other than that no spinning courser (?!someone spell that for me).

Info panel only updates if you klick back and forth between panel and any other item.

Downloaded files now instantly appear on the desktop (tested with ftp and omniweb).

Jamie · Jul 2, 2002, 07:17 AM

cursor

J

DasDaSein+ · Jul 2, 2002, 07:19 AM

The longer the thread, the more important the screen shots:

<img src="http://www.wsc-net.com/mac/shot.jpg" alt=" - " />

Jamie · Jul 2, 2002, 07:21 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DasDaSein+:
The longer the thread, the more important the screen shots:

<hr /></blockquote>Ok then, what about the 'make alias' pointer?

J

Peabo · Jul 2, 2002, 07:49 AM

The Finder icon has a more yellowish tint to it too:

OLD:
<img src="http://www.mmls14550.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/oldfinder.jpg" alt=" - " />
NEW:
<img src="http://www.mmls14550.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/newfinder.jpg" alt=" - " />

Lew · Jul 2, 2002, 08:02 AM

Can anyone who's tried Jag on a PowerBook confirm whether there's an overscan option available when you connect a TV?

crystalthunder · Jul 2, 2002, 09:24 AM

Is it true they disabled the ability to drag minimized windows from the dock to the desktop? I thought that was the coolest new feature in jag, and I just heard that it was taken away in 6C75 ;_;

[ 07-02-2002, 09:25 AM: Message edited by: crystalthunder ]

Peabo · Jul 2, 2002, 09:29 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by crystalthunder:
Is it true they disabled the ability to drag minimized windows from the dock to the desktop? I thought that was the coolest new feature in jag, and I just heard that it was taken away in 6C75 ;_;<hr /></blockquote>It's true. Who cares, it's not like this is the final build

crystalthunder · Jul 2, 2002, 09:35 AM

Very true ^_^

I just hope it stays in the final

Peabo · Jul 2, 2002, 09:44 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by crystalthunder:
Very true ^_^

I just hope it stays in the final<hr /></blockquote>there are a few things removed from this build, my guess it they are being refined or something

Detrius · Jul 2, 2002, 09:47 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DasDaSein+:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Adam Betts:
Can anyone mirror the screenshots above? I can't view it cuz his mac account is suspended

<hr /></blockquote>This wasn't a matter of if but when. <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>I'm confused. They all showed up for me.

Jamie · Jul 2, 2002, 10:06 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by crystalthunder:
I thought that was the coolest new feature in jag, and I just heard that it was taken away in 6C75 ;_;<hr /></blockquote>Yeah, way cooler than Ink, iChat, Rendesvous, Quartz Extreme, System Sounds, Sherlock 3, QuickTime 6, FTPing in Finder... <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" />

J

crystalthunder · Jul 2, 2002, 10:28 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jambo:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by crystalthunder:
I thought that was the coolest new feature in jag, and I just heard that it was taken away in 6C75 ;_;<hr /></blockquote>Yeah, way cooler than Ink, iChat, Rendesvous, Quartz Extreme, System Sounds, Sherlock 3, QuickTime 6, FTPing in Finder... <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" />

J

<hr /></blockquote>How about coolest new GUI feature ^_^

Peabo · Jul 2, 2002, 10:56 AM

One other cool thing that I don't think has been mentioned is that it tells you the % of time left when it's 'optimizing system performance' after installing something

crystalthunder · Jul 2, 2002, 10:59 AM

cool!

Hey, I'm going to post SimpleText Carbon for you on my iDisk, so just wait a little bit for me to do so ^_^

crystalthunder · Jul 2, 2002, 11:12 AM

For anybody who wants it:

<a href="http://homepage.mac.com/katzumi/forum/simpletext.sit" target="_blank">SimpleText!</a>

gorickey · Jul 2, 2002, 11:15 AM

Thanks, I won't use it....but hey, it's something else to add to my Apps, I appreciate the link.

crystalthunder · Jul 2, 2002, 11:21 AM

but hey, it's SimpleText, it is a must have

DasDaSein+ · Jul 2, 2002, 11:33 AM

[/QUOTE]I'm confused. They all showed up for me.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Moved them to a different server.

lookmark · Jul 2, 2002, 11:42 AM

DasDa,

- does clicking the "More Info" button in "About the Mac" open up Apple System Profiler?
- have any improvements been made to Copy and Replace operations in the Finder (Replace All, etc.)?
- is the setting for for window cycling under Full Keyboard Access in System Preferences usable yet?

Curious minds need to know...

gorickey · Jul 2, 2002, 11:45 AM

How about changing icons through "Get Info", that was disabled in earlier builds??

xyber233 · Jul 2, 2002, 12:03 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DasDaSein+:
...and btw, ftp access via finder works in 6C75. A feature I've really been waiting for, ftp servers just mount on desktop as if they were on LAN. If apple manages to get this work porberly, there will be hard times for RBrowser, Fetch, Captain FTP, Interarchy and so on.<hr /></blockquote>Can you change your login ID when connecting to a FTP server using the finder?