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Simon · Sep 9, 2009, 07:59 AM

Well actually, the new models haven't been released yet. But in anticipation of the update, the old models have just been heavily discounted. The Apple iPod Store now has these offers

8GB iPod nano ~~$149~~ $129
16GB iPod nano ~~$199~~ $149

120GB iPod Classic ~~$249~~ $229

8GB iPod touch ~~$229~~ $189
16GB iPod touch ~~$299~~ $249
32GB iPod touch ~~$399~~ $279

The iPod shuffle remains unchanged. The largest discount is 30% on the 32 GB touch. For comparison, the 16GB Zune HD is supposed to cost $229.

Simon · Sep 9, 2009, 08:05 AM

Current generation refurbs have become cheaper too.

Refurb 8GB iPod nano $99
Refurb 16GB iPod nano $129

Refurb 120GB iPod classic $199

Refurb 8GB iPod touch $149
Refurb 16GB iPod touch $199
Refurb 32GB iPod touch $249

Refurbished iPod - Apple Store

imitchellg5 · Sep 9, 2009, 10:12 AM

How do you know the new models won't be priced at those points? *hint hint*

Simon · Sep 9, 2009, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by imitchellg5

How do you know the new models won't be priced at those points? *hint hint*

Almost, but not quite.

New 8GB iPod touch $199
New 32GB iPod touch $299
New 64GB iPod touch $399

New 160GB iPod classic $249

kylef · Sep 9, 2009, 02:13 PM

iTunes Store

^ direct link to iTunes download of iTunes 9 with features list. Unfortunately the link still goes to 8.2.1.

turtle777 · Sep 9, 2009, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by kylef

iTunes Store

^ direct link to iTunes download of iTunes 9 with features list. Unfortunately the link still goes to 8.2.1.

It's available now, as well as iPone OS 3.1.

-t

giggs11 · Sep 9, 2009, 02:38 PM

iPhone 3.1 download is really slooooooooow....

The iTunes 9 download is humming along nicely though.

turtle777 · Sep 9, 2009, 02:46 PM

Both are slow as heck.

iTunes downloads at 27KB/sec. *yawn*

-t

Big Mac · Sep 9, 2009, 03:12 PM

These look like impressive iPod price points.

cgc · Sep 9, 2009, 03:22 PM

I was hoping for GPS in new iPod Touch...

mduell · Sep 9, 2009, 03:51 PM

Reasonable prices for flash memory upgrades? Holy ****!

12-150% markup over spot component prices instead of 650% is a huge shift.

Simon · Sep 9, 2009, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by cgc

I was hoping for GPS in new iPod Touch...

And many others for a camera...

It appears the touch is really intended to be just an iPod with games. Period.

The Final Dakar · Sep 9, 2009, 03:59 PM

Or a super portable computer, as they said.

Simon · Sep 9, 2009, 04:00 PM

Meh. Not really convincing.

The Final Dakar · Sep 9, 2009, 04:03 PM

I'm less convinced by you.

It's very handy to keep around the house when you don't feel like hauling your laptop into wherever you are.

Big Mac · 05:01 PM

Okay, wait a second, the nano got a camera but the high-end iPod, the touch did not?

Say what?

Maybe Apple feared too much product blurring between the touch and the iPhone if the touch were to get a camera.

Spheric Harlot · Sep 9, 2009, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by turtle777

Both are slow as heck.

iTunes downloads at 27KB/sec. *yawn*

-t

I got it at 250KB/sec.

Why the hell does iTunes have to re-determine gapless playback information for the entire library after each second upgrade?

****ing drag if you've got a 450+GB library sitting on a network drive...

spiff72 · Sep 9, 2009, 04:42 PM

Yeah that was a bit of a shocker for me. I thought they would put the camera in the Touch - not the Nano.

And what camera does the Nano have - is it the same one as in the iphone 3gs?

imitchellg5 · Sep 9, 2009, 04:49 PM

Well I had planned on getting the new touch with a camera. But alas it was not to be. Too bad I already gave away my old touch.

Simon · Sep 9, 2009, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by spiff72

And what camera does the Nano have - is it the same one as in the iphone 3gs?

Nope.

The iPhone 3GS has a 3 MP camera.
The new iPod nano has a 0.3 MP camera.

mduell · Sep 9, 2009, 05:05 PM

The nano's camera is so crummy they don't even let it take stills.

Originally Posted by turtle777

Both are slow as heck.

iTunes downloads at 27KB/sec. *yawn*

2MBps here.

Spheric Harlot · Sep 9, 2009, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by mduell

The nano's camera is so crummy they don't even let it take stills.

That's completely irrelevant though, if it's "good enough" for casual video, and geez - take a look at the interface:

http://gizmodo.com/5355774/hands-on-...-is-smooooooth

That's just gorgeous.

Simon · 05:44 PM

Yeah, video is obviously what it's intended for. Great Apple-style implementation.

sartor · Sep 9, 2009, 05:46 PM

Very disappointed that the iPod Touch has no camera! Sold my 16gb 2g Touch to buy a new one with camera! Darn it! Low end 8gb model also did NOT get processor upgrade as the 32gb & 64gb models did.. Still read online today, that they will eventually have a Touch with camera.. When?? Curse word Curse word.. LOL...

Overall.. very disappointed!

Simon · Sep 10, 2009, 03:34 AM

Q&A with NYT's David Pogue

I asked him, first of all, what the blogosphere’s been buzzing about: why Apple put a video camera into the tiny iPod Nano—and not the iPod Touch.

Mr. Jobs reiterated what Phil Schiller, the marketing vice president, had said earlier in the onstage presentation: that Apple is really pitching the iPod Touch as a game machine these days. And to do that, you have to make it as inexpensive as possible.
“Originally, we weren’t exactly sure how to market the Touch. Was it an iPhone without the phone? Was it a pocket computer? What happened was, what customers told us was, they started to see it as a game machine,” he said. “We started to market it that way, and it just took off. And now what we really see is it’s the lowest-cost way to the App Store, and that’s the big draw. So what we were focused on is just reducing the price to $199. We don’t need to add new stuff. We need to get the price down where everyone can afford it.”

I also asked him why the Nano can record video, but can’t snap still photos.

That reason, he said, is technical: the sensors you need to record video are extremely thin these days—thin enough to fit into the wafer-thin Nano. But the ones with enough resolution for stills, especially with autofocus (like the sensor in the iPhone), are much too thick to cram into a player that’s only .02 inches thick.

fhoubi · Sep 10, 2009, 07:26 AM

Firmware 3.1.1 killed my home button but even more: no volume controls (slider) anymore on a 1G Touch!

In case anyone can confirm this I would not recommend this update.

sartor · 09:44 AM

I saw the Pogue interview also..
Simon said: (Quoting Jobs)..:
".02 inches thick."
2 100th's of an inch thick?? HUH???

A typo I assume

ALSO - My feeling as to why they didn't upgrade the touch to have a camera:
The 2G touch was just re-engineered a year ago to the 2g with shiny chrome back.
Possibly then, adding a camera would require a total re-engineering to put in the iPhone 3Gs Camera in it,
thus making the 3G touch thicker to handle the camera/sensor..??
It still sucks that they didn't put in the camera...

ibook_steve · Sep 10, 2009, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by sartor

Very disappointed that the iPod Touch has no camera! Sold my 16gb 2g Touch to buy a new one with camera! Darn it! Low end 8gb model also did NOT get processor upgrade as the 32gb & 64gb models did.. Still read online today, that they will eventually have a Touch with camera.. When?? Curse word Curse word.. LOL...

Overall.. very disappointed!

You sold your iPod based on a rumor?

Steve

Simon · Sep 10, 2009, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by sartor

".02 inches thick."
2 100th's of an inch thick?? HUH???

A typo I assume

My guess as well.

They probably meant to write 0.2" (instead of 0.02"). That's fairly realistic considering the width of nano case towards the tapered edges (it's 0.24" at the center).

turtle777 · Sep 10, 2009, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by mduell

2MBps here.

You obviously didn't start downloading the minute it became available.

I checked, it wasn't available. I checked again a couple of minutes later, and there it was. Then all download hell broke loose. I guess after a couple of hours, the heavy load subsided.

-t

sartor · Sep 10, 2009, 12:34 PM

yes, maybe not the smartest thing to do, but it seemed such a strong rumor.. :-(
my bad for sure! DOH!

I may just look to the nearby University to see if I can get a good deal on a 8gb touch to tide me over...
the students there got them free with laptop purchases.. and may not want them. A friend did just that,
and got a pretty good deal..

Leonard · Sep 10, 2009, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by ibook_steve

You sold your iPod based on a rumor?

Steve

I've heard of people selling their computers based on a rumor. I agree it's weird. But then I usually buy the new computer/iPod before giving mine up.

mad cow disease · Sep 10, 2009, 09:51 PM

Can anybody answer to me the difference between the 2nd generation 8GB and the 3rd generation 8GB? I want to pick up a touch but if there's no difference between the 2nd and 3rd I'll just grab the 16GB 2G.

TIA.

imitchellg5 · Sep 10, 2009, 11:31 PM

The current 8GB is the 2nd gen...only 32GB and 64GB are actually 3G.

Simon · Sep 11, 2009, 03:35 AM

At first, that's what I thought too. But then I noticed the 8GB now has 30h battery life. IIRC Apple used to give a 36h figure for battery life on the 8GB model.

Are the model numbers actually identical?

Spheric Harlot · Sep 11, 2009, 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by Simon

Are the model numbers actually identical?

They're not, but that doesn't say anything about the hardware, since the new ones come with 3.1

Simon · Sep 11, 2009, 04:15 AM

Good point.

imitchellg5 · Sep 11, 2009, 09:55 AM

Hmm well they do seem to have different model numbers... So weird.

The Final Dakar · Sep 11, 2009, 12:34 PM

I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere in here, but if you haven't upgraded your Touch from 2.x yet, it now costs only $5 in the US.

imitchellg5 · Sep 11, 2009, 12:45 PM

So I went to get a new 32GB touch which the Apple Store says they have in stock. Only mine didn't. Kinda not happy.