[josiahpugh]

In Panther when you use Image Capture for taking photos off your digital camera, the photos do a cube transition effect as the are imported. I thought that was too cool.

[josiahpugh]

Also, it seems to rotate my photos for me! That's creepy but awesome.

[Zimphire]

Of course, only if you have QE.

[MacGorilla]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Of course, only if you have QE.

But who doesn't these days?

[Zimphire]

I am betting there are more Mac users that have Pre QE computers that don't.

Not everyone that uses Macs post in MacNN, or even care about posting in a Mac forum.

G4+ owners are the minority.

[Hi I'm Ben]

hi

Originally posted by MacGorilla:
But who doesn't these days?

[josiahpugh]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I am betting there are more Mac users that have Pre QE computers that don't.

Not everyone that uses Macs post in MacNN, or even care about posting in a Mac forum.

G4+ owners are the minority.

Of COURSE there are more MAC users than have Pre QE than don't.. but that's because a lot of them run Mac OS 9.. and most people who can run Mac OS X have QE.

[sandsl]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I am betting there are more Mac users that have Pre QE computers that don't.

Not everyone that uses Macs post in MacNN, or even care about posting in a Mac forum.

G4+ owners are the minority.

Do you have a G3 by any chance?

To take advantage of new features you have to have fairly modern hardware - thats how it is.

If your still using a G3, it could be time to upgrade considering the G5 is just around the corner.

You could get a second hand, lower end G4 for �400-500.

[thePurpleGiant]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I am betting there are more Mac users that have Pre QE computers that don't.

I bet that too. Duh. But how many of them are runniing OS X?

My bet is that the majority of users running Mac OS X are running them on a QE enabled machine.

[sniffer]

Blah. I don't have have QE. Shall we make a poll shall we?

Anyways there are a few students on this board that don't have the greatest and latest, and I am sure there is a good amount us that also use os ten.

[ambush]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I am betting there are more Mac users that have Pre QE computers that don't.

Not everyone that uses Macs post in MacNN, or even care about posting in a Mac forum.

G4+ owners are the minority.

Uh. My iBook does it. Thanks.

[SupahCoolX]

Originally posted by ambush:
Uh. My iBook does it. Thanks.

Oh yeah?! Well my iBook doesn't! (only 8mb VRAM)

[mitchell_pgh]

Ugh, not this again...

Who gives a CRAP!!! So non-QE people miss out on a little swirle...

[neverwind]

Well, um <cough>

Could we have a screenie of the "new feature" or, <gasp> a QT mov?

[CharlesS]

What is the advantage of using Image Capture to import your photos rather than using iPhoto?

[gorgonzola]

Originally posted by CharlesS:
What is the advantage of using Image Capture to import your photos rather than using iPhoto?

Unless this is different in Panther, iPhoto doesn't let you import some pictures, but not all. Image Capture lets you select just a few out of the whole set to import. Also, depending on what computer you have, iPhoto can be unbelievably slow. It's near unbearable on my iBook.

[trusted_content]

Originally posted by SupahCoolX:
Oh yeah?! Well my iBook doesn't! (only 8mb VRAM)

Depending on your video card, that shouldn't hold you back.

Edit

/System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CoreGraphics.framework/Versions/A/Resources/Configuration.plist

as an administrator (you'll need Property List Editor from the Developer Tools, unless you'd rather edit the XML by hand), and change the value for GLCompositorMinimumVRAM from 16 to 8, and reboot. There's your Quartz Extreme

[Superchicken]

sounds cool, I've never bothered with image capture though, I just open the mounted disk image and drag my photos out.

I always look at the photos in Photoshop either way... most of mine are taken of shows in poor lighting so it wouldn't make sense to not import em all, I've salvaged some pretty awsome shots that if I didn't download em initially I probably would have just deleted.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by josiahpugh:
Of COURSE there are more MAC users than have Pre QE than don't.. but that's because a lot of them run Mac OS 9.. and most people who can run Mac OS X have QE.

Again, I am seriously doubting this. Most people I personally know that are running OS X, don't have a computer that can use QE.

I am sure this will change soon once the G5s roll out.

Esp once the price drops (The price will drop wont it?)

Originally posted by sandsl:
Do you have a G3 by any chance?

To take advantage of new features you have to have fairly modern hardware - thats how it is.

If your still using a G3, it could be time to upgrade considering the G5 is just around the corner.

You could get a second hand, lower end G4 for �400-500.

Yeah I am getting a G5 soon. Once the RevBs come out. I will let others test the RevAs out with their own money.

Originally posted by trusted_content:
Depending on your video card, that shouldn't hold you back.

Edit

/System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CoreGraphics.framework/Versions/A/Resources/Configuration.plist

as an administrator (you'll need Property List Editor from the Developer Tools, unless you'd rather edit the XML by hand), and change the value for GLCompositorMinimumVRAM from 16 to 8, and reboot. There's your Quartz Extreme

I wonder if I can do anything like that with my G3...

I believe it has 16megs already though.

I looked in the file and didn't really see anything I could change.

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by MacGorilla:
But who doesn't these days?

*waves*

[STH]

Have you tried this?

* Plugin a camera or CF-card or something (I tried it with a CF-card)

* Share your device in Image Capture

* Enable Internet Sharing in Image Capture

* Point your browser to http://localhost:5100

Now, that is cool!

If they actually get a Vuescan plugin for Image Capture that would really rock! You could probably just leave the scanner where it is and work on any computer in the lab...

[Powaqqatsi]

Originally posted by trusted_content:
Depending on your video card, that shouldn't hold you back.

Edit

/System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CoreGraphics.framework/Versions/A/Resources/Configuration.plist

as an administrator (you'll need Property List Editor from the Developer Tools, unless you'd rather edit the XML by hand), and change the value for GLCompositorMinimumVRAM from 16 to 8, and reboot. There's your Quartz Extreme

ahhm, NO. The videocards with 8meg in the iBooks don't support it. Also the ATI Rage, Rage II, Rage Pro don't.

[WJMoore]

Originally posted by CharlesS:
What is the advantage of using Image Capture to import your photos rather than using iPhoto?

As already mentioned it allows you to choose which photos you want (my camera does not come up as a mounted drive). It also imports the movies on the camera, iPhoto ignores them.

[CharlesS]

Originally posted by gorgonzola:
Unless this is different in Panther, iPhoto doesn't let you import some pictures, but not all. Image Capture lets you select just a few out of the whole set to import.

Thanks, I didn't know it could do that. That's a useful feature.

[Angus_D]

Originally posted by trusted_content:
change the value for GLCompositorMinimumVRAM from 16 to 8, and reboot. There's your Quartz Extreme

Don't do this. You'll kill your performance if you succeed in enabling it.

There are *reasons* Apple sets minimum values for things like this.

[chris v]

Originally posted by CharlesS:
What is the advantage of using Image Capture to import your photos rather than using iPhoto?

You can choose what folder to import to, so if you're a photoshop user, you don't have to drill down to /Users/Usename/Photos/iPhotolobrary/Year/Month/Originals just to find them.

iPhoto's file structure is labrynthian for non-iPhoto users.

CV

[dfiler]

Also, iPhoto will delete everything off the
camera, not just the photos it downloads. If you
have unsupported picture formats or any
movies, these are deleted but not downloaded.


Hopefully, we'll get the eye-candy and
robust/non-destructive camera integration.

[Edit: why is this page so wide? Its hard to read lines of this length especially when horizontal scrolling is required.]

[HotSoup]

LOL! I feel sorry for pre-QE people, that must suck.

[Mediaman_12]

Originally posted by STH:
Have you tried this?

* Plugin a camera or CF-card or something (I tried it with a CF-card)

* Share your device in Image Capture

* Enable Internet Sharing in Image Capture

* Point your browser to http://localhost:5100

Now, that is cool!

If they actually get a Vuescan plugin for Image Capture that would really rock! You could probably just leave the scanner where it is and work on any computer in the lab...

Scanner sharing is in Panther anyway, I think?
(I think it was in the WWDC build, It may have been removed since)

[Busemann]

Originally posted by STH:
Have you tried this?

* Plugin a camera or CF-card or something (I tried it with a CF-card)

* Share your device in Image Capture

* Enable Internet Sharing in Image Capture

* Point your browser to http://localhost:5100

Now, that is cool!

If they actually get a Vuescan plugin for Image Capture that would really rock! You could probably just leave the scanner where it is and work on any computer in the lab...

WOW! that is impressive

I guess it wont be before long before this is integrated into iPhoto as well, with full Rendezvous support.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by HotSoup:
LOL! I feel sorry for pre-QE people, that must suck.

Actually Jaguar and Panther runs impressive on my 350mhz G3 tower.

[RGB]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Actually Jaguar and Panther runs impressive on my 350mhz G3 tower.

OS X was great on my B/W G3 350 until a few months ago. Now I've got a new TiBook that's replaced it, and I'm wiping the tower and leaving it home for my mom and dad. After being wiped and redone, it should run great again for them.

[TC]

Originally posted by Busemann:
WOW! that is impressive

I guess it wont be before long before this is integrated into iPhoto as well, with full Rendezvous support.

Image Capture already does this using Rendezvous, if you open up Safari and click on Rendezvous you see the camera being shared by Image Capture.

This sharing of Image Capture does work for scanners, I've used it with my Epson scanner. You just share your scanner and connect to it from a remote machine, Image Capture on that machine acts exactly like the scanner is connected locally.

I just want to know who will be the first person to use this to scan their arse to another office user?

[sniffer]

Originally posted by HotSoup:
LOL! I feel sorry for pre-QE people, that must suck.

Personally I don't care. I am I thankful Apple save us some CPU cycles.

[DaGuy]

Originally posted by sniffer:
Personally I don't care. I am I thankful Apple save us some CPU cycles.

I understand that not everyone can have QE and perhaps spending on a new box just to get that feature is probably not a high priority.
But don't dismiss it to quickly. It's really good stuff.

You would be surprised at what kinds of optimizations are available through QE. I've been developing a simple graphics app and I tried to specified which areas of the screen gets refreshed. This saves CPU, since the entire screen doesn't need to be refreshed all the time -just a small rectangle. To my surprise, after doing some reading on this; it turns out that QE can figure out where things need to be refreshed on its own and didn't need my assistance at all! Not only that, it would then choose the best algorithm to acomplish the task!

So this means that all those drop shadows and eye candy are not drawn as often and are not such a CPU drag under QE. This is just what I was able to stumble across. But it shows that QE is not just draw faster it means more: "draw smarter and faster".

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by sniffer:
Personally I don't care. I am I thankful Apple save us some CPU cycles.

Yeah I guess that is true.

I turn off the zoom window effects too. It saves cycles and makes windows open TONS quicker.

Apple should be more worried about speeding up the OS, than making it do flashy things right now.

[DaGuy]

What if the flashy things just don't draw themselves as often as you think? A machine without QE would waste more CPU given that it will try draw more than what it really should.

[lenox]

Interestingly enough, when I tried Panther on my mdd dp867, I couldn't wait to see the fast user switching "box" effect.

Unfortunately, my screen just quickly flashed and showed the new user's desktop, without a box transition at all! I chalked it up to dev. previews and moved on.

Later, I upgraded the (crappy imho) internal geforce 4mx with 32mb vram to a radeon 8600 with 64 mb ddr vram. Lo and behold, the transition worked! I have a feeling the geforce didn't have enough ram to store 2 1600x1200 desktops as textures in memory...

[juanpacolopez]

Originally posted by trusted_content:
Depending on your video card, that shouldn't hold you back.

Edit

/System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CoreGraphics.framework/Versions/A/Resources/Configuration.plist

as an administrator (you'll need Property List Editor from the Developer Tools, unless you'd rather edit the XML by hand), and change the value for GLCompositorMinimumVRAM from 16 to 8, and reboot. There's your Quartz Extreme

While that might TRY and enable QE... the PRIMARY reason that QE doesn't work on his iBook, is that the Rage series cards don't support uneven texture sizes (i.e., everything must be divisible by 2), which QE requires to work.

[andreas_g4]

Originally posted by HotSoup:
LOL! I feel sorry for pre-QE people, that must suck.