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rickey939 · Oct 13, 2006, 02:40 PM

(RED Products)

Gap is selling out of shirts already. Apple is going to do very well with the red iPod nano I'm sure. What about you? Are you interested in buying these goods to help make money to eliminate AIDS in Africa?

What else should go "red" if you don't like anything that is currently available to purchase?

Dakar · Oct 13, 2006, 02:47 PM

I don't mean to be a killjoy, but from what I understand, the biggest thing to help Africa's AIDs epidemic would be some good old education and belief.

I'm under the impression their customs and beliefs are the biggest obstruction to truly getting this epidemic under control.

If I'm shopping at the GAP and I see one, I might pick on up though.

marden · Oct 13, 2006, 02:49 PM

I will. It's a sustainable program that will deliver ongoing $$ to help the cause AND produce a profit for the companies involved. It's a great thing!

They have Converse (Chuck Taylor's) Shoes, Apple, Sprint Motorola Cell Phones, the Gap and other major mfgs involved. Very good idea!

itai195 · Oct 13, 2006, 02:57 PM

I would, just not interested in what's available so far.

Doofy · Oct 13, 2006, 03:31 PM

Hmmm... ...I don't want to sound harsh or anything, but...

...the proceeds of this fund go to buying anti-retroviral drugs to keep folks in Africa with AIDS alive longer. If they're alive longer, they can infect more people.

Whilst well-meaning, actions like this don't combat AIDS - they help it spread.

rickey939 · Oct 13, 2006, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

Hmmm... ...I don't want to sound harsh or anything, but...

...the proceeds of this fund go to buying anti-retroviral drugs to keep folks in Africa with AIDS alive longer. If they're alive longer, they can infect more people.

Whilst well-meaning, actions like this don't combat AIDS - they help it spread.

So what do you view as being another and/or better solution to the problem?

smacintush · Oct 13, 2006, 03:41 PM

The situation in Africa is a complex and tough fix. Governments need to be overthrown, economic prosperity needs to grow and people need to be educated. Until that happens we have to decide, do we help them with what we can or do we leave them to their own devices?

::maroma:: · Oct 13, 2006, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

Hmmm... ...I don't want to sound harsh or anything, but...

...the proceeds of this fund go to buying anti-retroviral drugs to keep folks in Africa with AIDS alive longer. If they're alive longer, they can infect more people.

Whilst well-meaning, actions like this don't combat AIDS - they help it spread.

That's a dicey assumption to make.

Question: If someone you loved dearly, (say a relative or spouse) was diagnosed with AIDS would you want them to live as long as possible? Or would you want them to die as soon as possible so they wouldn't potentially spread the disease?

Kenneth · Oct 13, 2006, 05:18 PM

In short, yes.

I like the color red in the first place.

turtle777 · Oct 13, 2006, 05:22 PM

I'll buy strawberries.

-t

imitchellg5 · Oct 13, 2006, 05:50 PM

You need a choice that says, "Yes, because the red nanos are beautiful."

TheWOAT · Oct 13, 2006, 06:15 PM

But if Im a crip, what are my options?

Peter · Oct 13, 2006, 06:24 PM

red converse?

willed · Oct 14, 2006, 07:44 AM

Meh. Anyone remember LiveStrong wristbands? No, didn't think so. Just give money to charity if you want to, no need to broadcast the fact through some fad.

mac128k-1984 · Oct 14, 2006, 08:04 AM

I don't really buy into these types of things just to be charitable. I'd rather donate the money directory to the need. While its commendable what apple is doing, I'm not going to buy a red one for the sake of charity especially if I don't like the red iPod.

wallinbl · Oct 14, 2006, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by rickey939

So what do you view as being another and/or better solution to the problem?

The biggest problem they have with AIDS in Africa is that Africans can't be convinced that AIDS is spread by having sex. They think that's some kind of BS. There's an entire belief system to be changed there.

Oversoul · Oct 14, 2006, 12:22 PM

Will people buy Red for the sole purpose of donating to charity? No. That'd be stupid, because they could donate whatever they spent on the Red product to charity directly.

But will Red help? Yes, if the Red product meets meets the consumer's needs or aesthetics, and doesn't cost any more to them, they'll buy it and part of their money will go towards AIDS relief in Africa. Contrast this with a non-Red items, which consumers will buy anyway with no money going towards charity.

I've already bought Red products from the Gap because they look good and fit my style. That my purchase helped women and children in Africa afflicted with AIDS is a bonus to me.

BRussell · Oct 14, 2006, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

...the proceeds of this fund go to buying anti-retroviral drugs to keep folks in Africa with AIDS alive longer. If they're alive longer, they can infect more people.

Whilst well-meaning, actions like this don't combat AIDS - they help it spread.

I may be wrong about this, but I believe these drugs keep the HIV blood count down, which may reduce the chance of spreading the infection. I believe it also may reduce the chances that a pregnancy results in the transmission of the virus to the child - but again, I'm not positive about that and someone knowledgeable may correct me.

marden · Oct 14, 2006, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by wallinbl

The biggest problem they have with AIDS in Africa is that Africans can't be convinced that AIDS is spread by having sex. They think that's some kind of BS. There's an entire belief system to be changed there.

Along those same lines, if it's true that charity should begin at home, wouldn't it make sense that dispelling BS belief systems should also begin there?

Free sex
Drug use
Multiculturalism
War protests
9/11 Conspiracy
Single parenting as the norm
Abortion
And others

Shouldn't we get our own houses in order FIRST before we try to impose our value system on the Africans and change THEIR beliefs?

Oversoul · Oct 14, 2006, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by marden

Along those same lines, if it's true that charity should begin at home, wouldn't it make sense that dispelling BS belief systems should also begin there?

Free sex
Drug use
Multiculturalism
War protests
9/11 Conspiracy
Single parenting as the norm
Abortion
And others

Shouldn't we get our own houses in order FIRST before we try to impose our value system on the Africans and change THEIR beliefs?

Along those same lines, don't try to impose your conservative value system on the rest of the country and change their beliefs.

marden · Oct 14, 2006, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Oversoul

Along those same lines, don't try to impose your conservative value system on the rest of the country and change their beliefs.

I bet my list pushed ALL your buttons, huh? Heh, heh!

Coming from the most radically liberal city in America you need to get in touch with what made America great, not just flit around thinking everyone and everything should be like you guys.

goMac · Oct 14, 2006, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar

I don't mean to be a killjoy, but from what I understand, the biggest thing to help Africa's AIDs epidemic would be some good old education and belief.

Right, but someones got to pay for that...

goMac · Oct 14, 2006, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by marden

Coming from the most radically liberal city in America you need to get in touch with what made America great, not just flit around thinking everyone and everything should be like you guys.

The whole west coast is liberal.

: begins countdown until this is moved to to the political lounge :

marden · Oct 14, 2006, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

The whole west coast is liberal.

: begins countdown until this is moved to to the political lounge :

We'll miss you when the BIG one hits.

END OF DERAIL.

SpaceMonkey · Oct 14, 2006, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by rickey939

Are you going to buy any (PRODUCT) RED items to help AIDS??

No, I don't want to help AIDS. I'm pretty much against AIDS, actually.

Railroader · Oct 14, 2006, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by willed

Meh. Anyone remember LiveStrong wristbands? No, didn't think so. Just give money to charity if you want to, no need to broadcast the fact through some fad.

Seconded and quoted for emphasis.

TheoCryst · Oct 14, 2006, 04:45 PM

If I see a product I want available as a (PRODUCT) RED, I might opt for it. But I won't go out of my way to buy one, as it would be easier just to donate the money directly to the cause. It's a nice idea, though.

Dakar² · Oct 14, 2006, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Railroader

Seconded and quoted for emphasis.

Thirded. I refused to buy one when some friends offered, just because I considered them too 'trendy'

Dakar² · Oct 14, 2006, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Right, but someones got to pay for that...

It's a matter of time. To be a bit insensitive, Africa is just too far behind at this time.

Doofy · Oct 14, 2006, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by BRussell

I may be wrong about this, but I believe these drugs keep the HIV blood count down, which may reduce the chance of spreading the infection. I believe it also may reduce the chances that a pregnancy results in the transmission of the virus to the child - but again, I'm not positive about that and someone knowledgeable may correct me.

If that were the case (and I don't know either), then I'd support it.

rickey939 · Oct 14, 2006, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey

No, I don't want to help AIDS. I'm pretty much against AIDS, actually.

Good point.

marden · Oct 14, 2006, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

It's a matter of time. To be a bit insensitive, Africa is just too far behind at this time.

Not just cut and run, but simply "CUT?"

Dakar² · Oct 14, 2006, 05:37 PM

Omg I Am Teh Lieberul

marden · Oct 14, 2006, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

Omg I Am Teh Lieberul

No, good liberals will at least TRY to help the situation even though Doofy's point bears consideration. You don't even care. That would make you, what? A selfish liberal?

What's wrong with spending a few more pennies when you are going to buy the item anyway to buy an item that's RED?

Dakar² · Oct 14, 2006, 05:47 PM

Keep assuming Mojoab, I'm not really that concerned with what you think, particularly of me.

SirCastor · Oct 14, 2006, 07:42 PM

I'd rather donate and have all of my money go to help someone, rather than just a portion of it. It's the same reason I get irritated by groups that give you free gifts when you charitably donate...

Gamoe · Oct 14, 2006, 07:57 PM

I'm not sure that I actually like a product reminding me of a horrible virus and blood (well it is red and HIV is transferred through blood, among other fluids!). However, it is actually a nice color in its own right and it costs the same as a regular nano, so why not?

Buckaroo · Oct 14, 2006, 10:44 PM

Red is hard on my eyes. I prefer blue.

rickey939 · Oct 15, 2006, 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by Buckaroo

Red is hard on my eyes. I prefer blue.

No problem...

Gap.com (Indigo Blue)

marden · Oct 15, 2006, 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

Keep assuming Mojoab, I'm not really that concerned with what you think, particularly of me.

I'm marden. So will you stop hounding marden, now that you know what a pain it is to have little pissants always yipping, yapping and snapping at you? Or haven't you had enough?

Please let's settle this and stop derailing this fine thread.

marden · Oct 15, 2006, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by rickey939

No problem...

Gap.com (Indigo Blue)

I was wondering if they would ever come out with another color.

besson3c · Oct 15, 2006, 01:01 AM

I thought Cody Dawg said that Marden confessed that he is Abe? I'm really confused now...

Sounds like a pretty neat idea, this Project Red thing.

pheonixash · Oct 15, 2006, 01:17 AM

Well I just bought a 5.5G Video iPod, so not the Nano for sure. Though there is a new Gap Store opening here, and I'm in need of a wardrobe overhaul, so if I like their (PRODUCT) RED line, I might pick up something!

Dakar² · Oct 15, 2006, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by marden

I'm marden.

My bad.

Originally Posted by marden

now that you know what a pain it is to have little pissants always yipping, yapping and snapping at you? Or haven't you had enough?

You give yourself too little credit. You replying to a few posts of mine isn't anything like the pain you go through.