[moonmonkey]

I am very confused by this, they have to be some of the most badly formed sentences in US presidential history (bush and post alzheimer Regan not included), is it the President or the journalist?

Examples:

"Two points I want to make," Obama said of the heckler, "he really should like buy a ticket to, if he wants to demonstrate, buy a ticket to a guy who doesn't support his point of view."

The other point, Obama said, "is maybe he didn't read the newspapers because we are working with congress as we speak to roll back 'don't ask, don't tell.'"

[Laminar]

At least 0bama would put this thread where it belongs.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

At least 0bama would put this thread where it belongs.

Where the sun never shines ?

-t

[OAW]

Perhaps if the thread title said properly the topic might have been taken more seriously?

OAW

[Kerrigan]

The fact that is dawning on Americans--and startling many, privately--is that Obama is less intelligent than Bush. With regards to their intellectual and rhetorical capacities, they are each converse of the other.

[ghporter]

There are very few people who speak well extemporaneously, and very few of them are politicians. Sure, the Pres ain't Steve Martin (in his first album, there's a segment where he gets heckled from the audience. He pauses a beat, and then says "Yeah, I remember when I had my first beer."), but he got his point across. Not smoothly, not cleanly, but he got it across.

I don't think a lot of people understand that George W. Bush is a smart man who doesn't speak well in public. Barack Obama is a smart man who doesn't speak well in public unless he has his TelePrompTer (showing that he seems to have learned something from W's gaffes). But the difference between the two seems to be that W's message was something he spoke on because he wanted to show his involvement in the message, while Barack wants to get a finely crafted, specifically worded version of his message across. That TelePrompTer helps him avoid Mr. Bush's wording flubs, but it sure doesn't keep him from demonstrating that some words aren't in his daily vocabulary. "Corpsman" comes to mind... I'm not sure which bugs me more, "nuk u ler" or "corpse man."

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by ghporter 

I don't think a lot of people understand that George W. Bush is a smart man who doesn't speak well in public.
Barack Obama speaks well in public due to TelePrompters, but that doesn't make him automatically smart.

Fixed that for ya.

-t

[besson3c]

I disagree. Obama has fared well in many debates and interviews and stuff without teleprompters. So much so that that entire notion is ridiculous, not to mention tired. How can people argue on one hand that he is overexposed in interviews and stuff yet also say that he consistently represents himself poorly in those interviews? What about those televised health care debate session with Republicans while he was president? He fared well there too...

What is fair to say is that he doesn't consistently speak well without a teleprompter, but who does? I would say that Bush didn't speak well, period, teleprompter or no.

Just trying to be accurate here, is all.

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

Fixed that for ya.

-t

Gone to law school yourself? Attorneys are smart because they have to be to get through the school and pass the bar. Now I have to point out that there's a difference between "intelligent" and "smart," and "bright" is a completely different issue. By my definition, Mr. Obama is "smart," but I can't say I think all of what he's done (or all that he says he supports) is particularly "bright."

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by ghporter 

Gone to law school yourself? Attorneys are smart because they have to be to get through the school and pass the bar. Now I have to point out that there's a difference between "intelligent" and "smart," and "bright" is a completely different issue. By my definition, Mr. Obama is "smart," but I can't say I think all of what he's done (or all that he says he supports) is particularly "bright."

That I agree with. What he does and says might be book-smart or nice theory, but utterly useless to completely retarded in the real world.

No matter where you look, economy, health care, he offers fire-sure ways to bankrupt the country.

Smart?

Yes, if you have the coin to "play" this trade and profit from the confiscation of money and liberty from the American public.

-t

[finboy]

Originally Posted by moonmonkey 

I am very confused by this, they have to be some of the most badly formed sentences in US presidential history (bush and post alzheimer Regan not included), is it the President or the journalist?

Examples:

"Two points I want to make," Obama said of the heckler, "he really should like buy a ticket to, if he wants to demonstrate, buy a ticket to a guy who doesn't support his point of view."

The other point, Obama said, "is maybe he didn't read the newspapers because we are working with congress as we speak to roll back 'don't ask, don't tell.'"

At least he didn't say that he wanted to "axe" somebody a question.

[BadKosh]

He's using teleprompters at High Schools?

RealClearPolitics - Video - Obama Addressing High School Graduates With Teleprompters

[moonmonkey]

Originally Posted by OAW 

Perhaps if the thread title said properly the topic might have been taken more seriously?

OAW

"Correctly" would have been the most appropriate word.

[hyteckit]

I've been to English Proper once. It's between English Major and English Minor, near the English Channel.