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Rumor · 05:40 PM

I'm using Firefox. What's everyone else using? Any particular reason why?

monkeybrain · Feb 20, 2006, 05:30 PM

You need to amend your poll. I doubt many people use Mozilla or Netscape, however, many will be using Camino (like me), that is based off Mozilla.

Also you need to add the very popular Omniweb and Shiira (both use the same/similar engine to Safari). Some people might even be using the Firefox derivative, Flock.

It's a pity it is not possible to have a sub-poll that lets you choose the primary reason why, e.g. speed, features, extensions, OS tie-ins.

So if I could vote, it would go to Camino, because:

Speed (as good as, or better than Safari).
Works nicely with Gmail (Safari is rubbish for this, Firefox is good but feels clunky).
OS tie-ins (not as many as Safari, but it does have services and a native interface).
Interface (it's unified, lets you have custom icons etc).
It's a worthy goal to unite gecko and the Mac OS properly.

Sourbook · Feb 20, 2006, 05:37 PM

Firefox feels more Mac than Safari.

Rumor · Feb 20, 2006, 05:42 PM

I'm not sure on how to edit the poll. Monkeybrain, that's for the info. I threw this up to get an idea of what browers are out there for Mac and which are good.

angelmb · Feb 20, 2006, 05:48 PM

Other: iCab - Camino combo.

Horsepoo!!! · Feb 20, 2006, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Sourbook

Firefox feels more Mac than Safari.

TETENAL · Feb 20, 2006, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Sourbook

Firefox feels more Mac than Safari.

No, it doesn't.

Is there a reason why Camino is missing from the options? And Netscape is included even though they don't have a Mac browser any more?!

Rumor · Feb 20, 2006, 06:20 PM

I didn't know they didn't make Netscape for macs. I also didn't know that Camino exsisted. I'd change the poll, but I don't think I can.

NeXTLoop · Feb 20, 2006, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Rumor

I didn't know they didn't make Netscape for macs. I also didn't know that Camino exsisted. I'd change the poll, but I don't think I can.

You also need to add OmniWeb.

TETENAL · Feb 20, 2006, 06:31 PM

Internet Explorer and Netscape for Mac haven't been updated for years.

http://www.caminobrowser.org/

Camino is a very nice (and I believe rather popular) Mac browser. You should definitely have a look at it.

Also noteworthy is OmniWeb: http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omniweb/

JKT · Feb 20, 2006, 06:33 PM

Rather than sampling a few tens of people, try the Mac OS X Hints poll page and view the ~ 6 monthly "browser wars" there. E.g. this one was last week and took over 8500 votes.

Rumor · Feb 20, 2006, 06:41 PM

Thanks JKT.

demibob · Feb 20, 2006, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by JKT

Rather than sampling a few tens of people, try the Mac OS X Hints poll page and view the ~ 6 monthly "browser wars" there. E.g. this one was last week and took over 8500 votes.

how old are these polls

quote "when will apple release a machine that runs osx on a non power pc chip"

43 % voted never

JKT · Feb 20, 2006, 08:12 PM

From whenever they started (some time back in 2000) up 'til last week on that particular page. The browser war poll I linked to was conducted last week and its the 7th one in an ongoing series. You can tell roughly when each poll was posted by the date of the first comment, fwiw.

albook · Feb 21, 2006, 07:24 AM

Other -> Camino

xmacintosh · Feb 21, 2006, 08:29 AM

Camino!

RevEvs · Feb 21, 2006, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by xmacintosh

Camino!

monkeybrain · Feb 21, 2006, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by xmacintosh

Camino!

Stradlater · Feb 21, 2006, 11:52 AM

For the most part, WebKit (Safari's latest nightly updates).

Stradlater · Feb 21, 2006, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Sourbook

Firefox feels more Mac than Safari.

Disagreed.

iPetie · Feb 21, 2006, 12:02 PM

Camino nightly by krmathis.

Optimized for PowerPC 7450, using GCC 4.0.1 and 10.4u SDK.
Requires Mac OS 10.4 or later.

A beautiful thing! Much faster than Camino 1.0.

I WAS the One · Feb 22, 2006, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Stradlater

For the most part, WebKit (Safari's latest nightly updates).

what is this? it is a browser or what? I'm lost.

jersey · Feb 22, 2006, 10:26 AM

Shiira. rulez. I find it to be faster than safari or ff on my Ti.

JKT · Feb 22, 2006, 10:27 AM

It's the development version of Safari.

Stradlater · Feb 22, 2006, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by I WAS the One

what is this? it is a browser or what? I'm lost.

As JKT says just above, it's basically a nightly version of Safari with the most up-to-date code. Not every build is the most stable, so if you have trouble with the first build you download, try the next day's.

LeeG · Feb 22, 2006, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by xmacintosh

Camino!

Well Said.

L

angelmb · Feb 23, 2006, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by iPetie

Camino nightly by krmathis.

Optimized for PowerPC 7450, using GCC 4.0.1 and 10.4u SDK.
Requires Mac OS 10.4 or later.

A beautiful thing! Much faster than Camino 1.0.

Yeah, I run the PPC 7450 release, but I don't feel it much faster… maybe it is due to my crappy DSL line

Are there available any comparison between the 'standard' release and the PPC 7450 version?, or maybe some good info about how the PPC 7450 version improves the browsing speed.

Thanks for such a great work

ghporter · 10:41 PM

Firefox is very useful. It's not a "native" Mac browser, but it does provide all the necessary functionality (often better than Safari does, at least for me) and as it's cross-platform, I can step seamlessly from our iBook to one of the school's Gateway PCs running Firefox. Much goodness here.

Edited to correct really bad "stupid typing finger trick"

Goldfinger · Feb 23, 2006, 12:52 PM

Camino is teh best.

BZ · Feb 23, 2006, 01:31 PM

I use a mixture:

Primary: Safari (60% of time)
Secondary: OmniWeb (20%), FireFox (8%)
Other: Camino, Shiira

BZ

brettcamp · Feb 23, 2006, 02:06 PM

I wonder if these either/or polls reflect the reality of most users. I mostly use Camino since it reached 1.0, for the reasons well enumerated by MonkeyBrain. It's so much faster than the current Safari and seems to open pages that causes Safari to hang even after I empty cache, discard favicons etc. And it just looks better!
But I still use Safari some, too, because I like its RSS reader -- I open Safari and see all my web feeds without having to use Vienna or another newsreader. When Camino gets RSS and a single command for emailing a web page (like Safari does), I'll probably use it almost entirely. I bet more than a few of us are using more than one browser for similar reasons.

techtrucker · Feb 23, 2006, 09:29 PM

I use OmniWeb most of the time, Safari at time too. I know some folks think it's crazy to pay for a web browser these days, but...
I love the thumbnail tabs and workspaces. I love Omnigroup as a company, they have excellent support and products, and will support them in all their endeavors. I have licenses to all their products.
But I do keep an eye on Camino and FireFox, and certainly fire them up to check compatibility when working on web site designs.

Dewaine · Feb 24, 2006, 02:35 PM

Camino!!!

Fastest and trouble free. Only time I use Safari is to post my blog, for some reason they want let me do it in Camino.....

wingchuner · Feb 24, 2006, 02:48 PM

I use pretty much everything i can try out hoping to find the best for me...Safari, Deskbrowse, Firefox, Camino, Opera, Aerobrowser, Flare, Shiira, Sunrise..etc Each one has things i like, which could be looks, speed, settings, hot keys etc.. Mostly i use Safari, but i really like deskbrowse...but still in beta

the_glassman · Feb 24, 2006, 09:24 PM

Camino really is just plain awesome,

bradoesch · Feb 24, 2006, 09:37 PM

I might try Camino again now that it's hit 1.0

albook · Feb 25, 2006, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by iPetie

Camino nightly by krmathis.
A beautiful thing! Much faster than Camino 1.0.

Nice to see you enjoy my build!

jwoods · Feb 25, 2006, 12:11 PM

I use safari. I don't mind it.

On my PC I use Firefox. I may check it out for OS X.

mikochu · Feb 27, 2006, 11:55 AM

I use Safari and Shiira on my iBook and Power Mac. I used to use Opera on my PC laptop and desktop. At work, I use Firefox...

I've been trying to use Firefox on my Macs, but I always seem to default to Safari... *shrug*

Dr.Michael · Feb 27, 2006, 12:59 PM

I use Mozilla.
Have my mail archives in Netscape format since 1995 and Netscape 2 I guess. I switched to Mozilla, when Netscape had trouble making version 6 perform well.

I like the ability to switch between browser and mail application with a click in the status bar. Thats the one but important feature thats missing in Firefox/Thunderbird. The other missing feature is that mozilla works fine and there is no reason to switch to another app

.

Kr0nos · Mar 21, 2006, 03:35 AM

100% Camino here.

Hands down fastest, most stable and elegant Browser for any platform.

ambush · Mar 21, 2006, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by Stradlater

For the most part, WebKit (Safari's latest nightly updates).

It's not entirely a Safari nightly... it is more like a webcore nightly.

I'm in a testing period. I've tested Firefox for some weeks, and it simply rocks.
Safari crashes too often, but it has a handy RSS reader which the two gecko-baseds don't have.

I'm testing camino now and it also seems to kick ass.

threestain · Mar 21, 2006, 12:49 PM

I'm playing with Opera 8.5.2 at the moment. Its nice, but dunno if its Safari nice!

Stradlater · Mar 21, 2006, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by ambush

It's not entirely a Safari nightly... it is more like a webcore nightly.

Nitpick much? What's the difference, honestly?

Catfish_Man · Mar 21, 2006, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Stradlater

Nitpick much? What's the difference, honestly?

You might be surprised. Some features do require changes to the Safari app shell (for example, 10.4 webcores in the 10.3 shell wouldn't have RSS). There's also a list of known incompatibilities between the released safari and the webkit nightlies (iirc autofill is borken, for example).

ambush · Mar 21, 2006, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by Stradlater

Nitpick much? What's the difference, honestly?

Nah, no nitpicking here. Webcore updates affect the rendering only... basically CSS, DOM, HTML stuff. So no new "features".

Boring nightlies, unless you're a big time html hacker, etc.

Stradlater · Mar 21, 2006, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by ambush

Nah, no nitpicking here. Webcore updates affect the rendering only... basically CSS, DOM, HTML stuff. So no new "features".

Boring nightlies, unless you're a big time html hacker, etc.

True enough, I guess, though "Inspect Element" is a new feature.

There isn't any specific lack in Safari that I am dying to have filled with a feature, though, and core improvements in rendering have me keeping somewhat up-to-date.

TheoCryst · Mar 22, 2006, 01:33 PM

Camino! w00t

vamp07 · Mar 31, 2006, 10:53 PM

I move amongst all of them but lately I think I am moving towards Camino. Incredibly stable and FAST!!!

guzzi · Apr 1, 2006, 02:16 AM

I use Mozilla FireFox, but ,ironically, I use one of the early Safari/OS X themes with a cute set of icons.
I think it's much more stable/reliable and more web-friendly than Safari.
With my mods, it definitely looks,feels and acts very Mac-like. Plus,unlike Safari, it's extensible/modifiable.
Plus, like most "other" browsers, I can update Firefox anytime without having to purchase a new OS X version to do so.
Tired of Apple having certain core app updated versions always linked to a new OS X release.
What's with Mac people using Mozilla Camino, anyhow.
I thought that Camino is an older Mozilla browser?
Does Mozillla still update Camino?
What' s the pluses/minuses of using Camino over Firefox?