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Feb 5, 2009, 11:46 AM
 
Good episode. Ben still as manipulative as always. Nice twist with Claire's mother. Rousseau while she's pregnant. Jin thrown back in time.

But I feel like I'm on Lost with all the flash forwards, flashbacks, and time-shifting. Gets confusing sometimes, trying to remember or figure out when the scene you are watching is taking place.
     
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But I feel like I'm on Lost with all the flash forwards, flashbacks, and time-shifting. Gets confusing sometimes, trying to remember or figure out when the scene you are watching is taking place.
Something that occurred to me yesterday: in the story line, the Oceanic 6 are currently 3 years after the disappearance of the island, but those still on the island can't be more than a month after the disappearance of the island. Sure, they're now unstuck in time, but from their perspective it doesn't appear that much more than a few days has passed since the island disappeared and they started time-hopping.
     
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Oh, something else I thought was interesting (not necessarily from a plot perspective, but more "I wonder why the writers did that"): Juliet repeatedly calls herself an "Other" in this episode. Apparently the Others don't actually have a name for themselves at all.
I think she does that because that's how her present company identifies them.

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I think she does that because that's how her present company identifies them.
Yes, and I think Ben's 'mess with your head' social interaction attitude rubbed off on her.
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Feb 6, 2009, 11:13 AM
 
yay rousseau's backstory!
     
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Feb 6, 2009, 11:33 AM
 
This season keeps making me want to rewatch old season 1 and 2 stuff for clues.

Like if Rousseau and Jin's path's ever crossed.
     
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yay rousseau's backstory!
Clearly Roussau's daughter didn't inherit her good looks from her mother.

Also, Roussau had a french accent when she was younger, but changed to Croatian when she became older. That island sure is a strange place!
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This season keeps making me want to rewatch old season 1 and 2 stuff for clues.
The writers intimated way back when that the presence of Adam and Eve (the skeletons in the caves from S1) would prove they knew where they were going from the beginning.

Like if Rousseau and Jin's path's ever crossed.
I thought about that for a second, but then I realized we don't have to see clues. It happens in Jin's future, so he wouldn't recognize her at all. It happened about 16 years ago in Danielle's past -- and she's almost certifiably crazy at that point -- so she may not recognize him. She also played things close to the vest at that point...

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so she may not recognize him.
Yeah, I would also like to look back at some of the old episodes to see if she give Jin any surprising looks.
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Feb 8, 2009, 07:13 PM
 
I am guessing that Mile's dad is Dr. Pierre Chang and who knows, he might end up going to the Dharma grave site and talk to his dear old daddy. this would explain why they even bothered to mention that he might have been in the island before.
     
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Christian = Jacob?

Rousseau backstory, Locke 'fixing' the island. Another great ep.
     
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Christian = Jacob?
Not unless he lied to Locke last season. John asked him point blank and Christian said, "No, but I can speak on his behalf." In light of the anagram from Ben's van, I'm beginning to suspect Jacob is related to Jack in some way, which would explain the presence of his father and (half) sister in the cabin. Perhaps the Oceanic 6 need to come back so Aaron will be brought back. If Locke was the one who was supposed to move the island and (allegedly) get banished forever, does that mean Aaron is supposed to be the true leader of the island?

Rousseau backstory, Locke 'fixing' the island. Another great ep.
Yep!

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Jack = Jacob?
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Jack = Jacob?
Jack's father is Christian (as in Christianity), Jacob is a character in the bible, Jack is a short form of Jacob. Hmmmmm.....
     
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Jack's father is Christian (as in Christianity), Jacob is a character in the bible, Jack is a short form of Jacob. Hmmmmm.....
I thought Jack was short for John and Jake was short for Jacob.
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Now that Locke has 'fixed the island' - to me that would suggest that the island will no longer move through time. I wonder what year the survivors are 'stuck' in?
     
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Originally Posted by lavar78 View Post
The writers intimated way back when that the presence of Adam and Eve (the skeletons in the caves from S1) would prove they knew where they were going from the beginning.
I am aware, the point is how many of these later season revelation did they actually plant clues for back in the day.

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Jack = Jacob?
I thought the new theory was Faraday is Jacob.
     
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Feb 18, 2009, 11:11 PM
 
Hurley better have a damn good reason.
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Feb 18, 2009, 11:13 PM
 
so now we have to cover the time between when john turned the wheel and when the oceanic 3 meet jin. and the three years after the rescue before locke killed himself. then we can move forward.
     
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Hurley better have a damn good reason.
Did you notice his luggage? I suspect Charlie finally convinced him.

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so now we have to cover the time between when john turned the wheel and when the oceanic 3 meet jin. and the three years after the rescue before locke killed himself. then we can move forward.
But we can do all of that concurrently. Next week should cover the 3 years off the island. The island should move forward from the time the O6 (5?) got back (the late '70s/early '80s) or back up slightly before that to explain that Jin, Sawyer, and company are now in Dharma time. Meanwhile, since the time jumping will probably stop, we'll get flashbacks explaining why Hurley came on the plane, where Aaron is, what Ben did (better not be what they want us to think), and what's up with Sayid being a prisoner.

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Did you notice his luggage? I suspect Charlie finally convinced him.
I'll bet you're right. I don't know why the guitar case didn't register with me.
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... we'll get flashbacks explaining why Hurley came on the plane, where Aaron is ...
I wouldn't be surprised if the mystery of where Aaron is gets dragged out, used as a point of tension between Jack and Kate and eventually forgotten and unresolved by the writers.
     
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Did you notice his luggage? I suspect Charlie finally convinced him.
I saw the guitar case and immediately thought of Charlie, but remind me of what Charlie convinced Hurley of.
     
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Feb 19, 2009, 01:12 PM
 
We're assuming that Charlie convinced Hurley to arrive for the flight back to the Island. We didn't witness it (yet) but we did see (dead) Charlie talk to him enough in the past to warrant that being the cause of his presence on the plane. The guitar case provides additional reinforcement.
     
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Was there any indication other than that Ben went to provoke Sayid and get him arrested?
     
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I wouldn't be surprised if the mystery of where Aaron is gets dragged out, used as a point of tension between Jack and Kate and eventually forgotten and unresolved by the writers.
Riiiiiight... Anyway, my first thought was that Aaron is with Claire's mom. That would explain why Kate seemed so distraught; she'd never be able to get him back (even if she did manage to leave the island again). OTOH, he could also be with Ji Yeon in Seoul with Sun's mom. He could also be with Cassidy and Clementine, since taking care of them is obviously the favor Sawyer asked her to do. Regardless, I think she left him because Claire told her last season not to bring him back. Of course, Ben could've done something to make sure he came with them somehow...

Kate and Jack will have plenty of drama with or without Aaron, because she's probably pregnant. That would complete the theme of Ajira 316 recreating Oceanic 815 by having the passengers proxy for each other:

Locke = Christian (dead in coffin)
Kate = Claire (pregnant?)
Sayid = Kate (handcuffed and escorted by a marshal)
Hurley = Charlie (guitar)
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Kate's baby = Aaron (in utero grandchild of Christian Shephard)

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Was there any indication other than that Ben went to provoke Sayid and get him arrested?
Ben's line about keeping a promise to an "old friend" is supposed to make us think he killed (or tried to kill) Penny. He told Widmore last season that he was going to kill his daughter as payback for Keamy killing Alex.

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Yeah, I thought he was going to murder Penny too.
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Yeah, I thought he was going to murder Penny too.
Oh boy. I hadn't thought of that. Not a good thought.
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I never liked her.
Really? Desmond is my favorite character and their relationship is the only romance I care about on the show. Desmond + Penny for life!

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Wow... that thought didn't even cross my mind. So now we have the question of the coincidence of Sayid's being on the plane.. and how Ben wasn't fazed at all by it.
     
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Riiiiiight... Anyway, my first thought was that Aaron is with Claire's mom.
What? Lost has never dropped a story line?

If Aaron is only with Claire's mom or Sun's mom, I can't imagine why Kate would never want to talk about it. I suspect it's something much darker, given her behavior. I also think the show doesn't have the guts to explore what Kate could have done that she never wants to talk about.
     
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What I don't get is why Jack chose to wear a suit back to the Island rather than something more practical for wandering around an island. I understand the whole "recreate the original flight as much as possible thing", but I don't think the Island cares whether he is wearing loafers or hiking boots. After all, apparently Christian's body on the 815 was wearing not-so-nice shoes, and now Locke's Christian-replacement-body is wearing some snazzy shoes.
     
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Yeah there was some definite stupid going on with the whole "recreate the event" thing. It's OK to have no one at all in first class, but if you don't wear a suit you're screwed?

Also, we have a new character, the "my condolences" guy. Only other guy in first class.
     
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And the marshall of course, although technically you did say "guy."
     
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What? Lost has never dropped a story line?
About the location of a character? Never, unless Rose and Bernard don't show up again at all in the next season and a half. We also don't know exactly what happened to Claire yet, but we at least found out where she went.

If Aaron is only with Claire's mom or Sun's mom, I can't imagine why Kate would never want to talk about it. I suspect it's something much darker, given her behavior.
She probably said goodbye -- possibly forever -- to her son of three years. That's not traumatizing enough? Besides, Kate just said she didn't want Jack to ask her about Aaron again. He's been a sticking point in their relationship for a while now. She just accused Jack about only pretending to care about Aaron to trick her. It's not a stretch to think she doesn't want to get into it with Jack -- especially if she's given up Aaron for good. That would certainly be the case if he's with Claire's mom, because Kate could never win a custody battle against her. If he's with Cassidy, then any mention of him would inevitably lead to Sawyer, the other major wrench in their relationship. Leaving him with Sun's mom would have the least impact, which is why I don't that's the answer.

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Riiiiiight... Anyway, my first thought was that Aaron is with Claire's mom. That would explain why Kate seemed so distraught; she'd never be able to get him back (even if she did manage to leave the island again). OTOH, he could also be with Ji Yeon in Seoul with Sun's mom. He could also be with Cassidy and Clementine, since taking care of them is obviously the favor Sawyer asked her to do. Regardless, I think she left him because Claire told her last season not to bring him back. Of course, Ben could've done something to make sure he came with them somehow...

Kate and Jack will have plenty of drama with or without Aaron, because she's probably pregnant. That would complete the theme of Ajira 316 recreating Oceanic 815 by having the passengers proxy for each other:

Locke = Christian (dead in coffin)
Kate = Claire (pregnant?)
Sayid = Kate (handcuffed and escorted by a marshal)
Hurley = Charlie (guitar)
Sun = Rose (focused on wedding band)
Ben = Hurley (almost missed the flight)
Kate's baby = Aaron (in utero grandchild of Christian Shephard)


Ben's line about keeping a promise to an "old friend" is supposed to make us think he killed (or tried to kill) Penny. He told Widmore last season that he was going to kill his daughter as payback for Keamy killing Alex.

does this mean that locke is going to be revived, or a ghost on the island like chrisitan?
kate's a bitch. sadly, i hope she dies giving birth to jack's kid.
Sayid probably got caught for those murders at the hotel, and Hurley's stalker.
Hurley's guitar is a nice analogy for charlie, but i hope he gets his numbers answered. (seeing as they are back in time when the dharma thing is going strong, he should be able to get some damn answers.)
Sun, well i got dibs on this babe, hands off! i wonder if Sun and Jin, might end up being adam and eve.
Ben, assuming they are back in time, he gets to see his childhood friend, and get her off the island before the purge.
Kate's baby = kills kate on the way out. =)
     
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does this mean that locke is going to be revived, or a ghost on the island like chrisitan?
kate's a bitch. sadly, i hope she dies giving birth to jack's kid.
Sayid probably got caught for those murders at the hotel, and Hurley's stalker.
Hurley's guitar is a nice analogy for charlie, but i hope he gets his numbers answered. (seeing as they are back in time when the dharma thing is going strong, he should be able to get some damn answers.)
Sun, well i got dibs on this babe, hands off! i wonder if Sun and Jin, might end up being adam and eve.
Ben, assuming they are back in time, he gets to see his childhood friend, and get her off the island before the purge.
Kate's baby = kills kate on the way out. =)
Boy, you've really got it in for Kate! I'll take her off your hands though, I like her. Alot.

And I do believe that Locke will be revived (and probably isn't even really dead on the island).
     
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Just to throw it out there.... that bomb that Faraday had buried. Well, there is the end of the island and all evidence with it. Series finally i tell you.
     
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Just to throw it out there.... that bomb that Faraday had buried. Well, there is the end of the island and all evidence with it. Series finally i tell you.
I can see that happening, yes.
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Even if it is a hydrogen bomb, it would not end "all evidence" of an island that size.
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Even if it is a hydrogen bomb, it would not end "all evidence" of an island that size.
That all depends on how lazy the writers are
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One has to question why the bomb was put there in the first place, as we now know the island moves, so it couldn't have been the army randomly coming across an island.
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One has to question why the bomb was put there in the first place, as we now know the island moves, so it couldn't have been the army randomly coming across an island.
Perhaps the island randomly came across the Army? Some nuke-equipped plane gets engine trouble and crashes.
     
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Perhaps the island randomly came across the Army? Some nuke-equipped plane gets engine trouble and crashes.
Perhaps, but the way the bomb was mounted it looked like it was intentionally set up to be detonated, and the others didn't seem to be the ones who had done it.

It feels like to me that the army was likely going to intentionally destroy the island for some reason. Also, Jack saw photographs taken by the army last episode in the room under the chapel.
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Maybe the Island decided it needed a nuke ...
     
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