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Apr 21, 2016, 01:30 PM
 
I can't believe this, but Prince has died.

I don't know how exactly, but he had a bad flu for some time. He was 57, which is way too young.
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Apr 21, 2016, 01:58 PM
 
Prince is one of may all-time favorite musicians. "Genius" doesn't even come close to describing his talent. RIP.

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Apr 21, 2016, 02:06 PM
 
WTF? NO!! Dammit, I'm hating 2016.

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Apr 21, 2016, 02:24 PM
 
yeah guys, this is depressing...

he was so talented and unique - he wasn't afraid to reinvent himself or do what he pleased. He was a genius, definitely up there with Jimi Hendrix.
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Apr 21, 2016, 02:49 PM
 
One of the last bona-fide ****ing geniuses in pop music.
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Apr 21, 2016, 04:22 PM
 
The guy was like a soundtrack for the eighties, so as such, weighs heavily on what music I remember from the time.

I really don't want this to be a Henson/Jobs like situation, where he was too stubborn to get good medical care for whatever the reason, but I suspect it is.
     
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Apr 21, 2016, 04:37 PM
 
Prince was a Jehovah Witness, not sure if they're against medical treatment or not.
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Apr 21, 2016, 05:26 PM
 
I know Jehovah's Witnesses are against blood transfusions but I'm not aware of any prohibition against medical care across the board. He's been battling the flu for several weeks. A few days ago his private jet had to make an emergency landing and he was rushed to the ER. Afterwards he was treated and released. Now today he was found unresponsive in an elevator at his Paisley Park home/studio. I couldn't begin to explain how much I have been and will continue to be a fan of his music. Today just sucks all around.

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Apr 22, 2016, 01:58 AM
 
I. Can't.

There's almost none of my heroes left anymore.
     
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Apr 22, 2016, 01:12 PM
 
I was in the air most of yesterday and only found out about Prince late last night, CA time. Hit me like a ton of bricks. I think this hit me a little closer to home than Bowie, because Prince is my age.

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Apr 24, 2016, 09:10 AM
 
Originally Posted by osiris View Post
Prince was a Jehovah Witness, not sure if they're against medical treatment or not.
For the record, I read that Prince was a Jehovah Witness but later became a Christian. Not sure if true or not but that's what the article I read said.
     
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Apr 24, 2016, 11:36 AM
 
Jehovah's Witnesses are just one of numerous Christian sects.

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Originally Posted by OAW View Post
Jehovah's Witnesses are just one of numerous Christian sects.
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Apr 24, 2016, 04:10 PM
 
That's wrong?
     
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Originally Posted by OAW View Post
Jehovah's Witnesses are just one of numerous Christian sects.

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They aren't. JW's are a mix of Unitarianism and Arianism. They have their own (bad) translation of the Bible (NWT) They believe Jesus is actually Saint Michael the Archangel and do not aknowledge the Holy Spirit.

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Apr 24, 2016, 05:58 PM
 
It's a form of nontrinitarian, new age, pseudo-gnosticism (neo-gnostic Arianism), certainly not a denomination (or "sect") of Christianity. An important part of being Christian is believing that Jesus was wholly man and God, and they don't. It's pretty simple. Look at the Nicene Creed (First Council of Constantinople, 381CE) and compare it to a church's beliefs. If they don't line up, they aren't Christian.
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Apr 24, 2016, 06:45 PM
 
It hasn't been a week and here they come. TMZ basicly started it and the Mail has hopped on.
Prince’s former drug dealer reveals extent of his addiction | Daily Mail Online
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Apr 24, 2016, 08:29 PM
 
Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
It's a form of nontrinitarian, new age, pseudo-gnosticism (neo-gnostic Arianism), certainly not a denomination (or "sect") of Christianity. An important part of being Christian is believing that Jesus was wholly man and God, and they don't. It's pretty simple. Look at the Nicene Creed (First Council of Constantinople, 381CE) and compare it to a church's beliefs. If they don't line up, they aren't Christian.
Says who? JW's wouldn't be the only Christian sect that rejects the divinity of Christ on theological grounds. Between the two of us we don't have enough fingers and toes to count the number of English versions of the Bible alone. Let alone the number of Christian sects/denominations. The reason so many different sects exist is because human beings don't agree on biblical interpretation and doctrine. There are evangelicals who swear on a stack of bibles that Catholics aren't even "Christian". Silly I know but it's true. So citing the Nicene Creed means very little to anyone who doesn't ascribe to the doctrine of that particular denomination. And anytime one is dealing in an area that is fundamentally rooted in FAITH there's very little by way of "objective standards" to sort out what defines Christianity.

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Apr 24, 2016, 08:35 PM
 
The way I understand it, he likely died of acetaminophen poisoning. He was acutely addicted to opiates, Dilaudid and Fentanyl, and had been for decades (he was self-medicated and taking many times more than any person could ever need for pain relief). Ironically, opiates rarely kill addicts, it's the shit (large quantities of Tylenol) that drug companies put in them (to try and curb addiction) that does.

Something must have happened that restricted Prince's access to his opiates of choice, Dilaudid and Fentanyl, and led to him taking Percocet (oxycodone w/ acetaminophen), likely from multiple prescriptions from different doctors. However, since those are much, much weaker than what he normally took, he took massive quantities (word is >400mg /day, which is 13,000mg of acetaminophen) and rapidly destroyed his liver and kidneys.
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Apr 24, 2016, 08:40 PM
 
Originally Posted by OAW View Post
Says who?
Says Christianity. I didn't write the definition regarding who is or isn't a Christian, I just know it. Sure, they can call themselves whatever they like, it's no skin off my back, but objectively, according to firmly established doctrine, they aren't. It's not a big deal, they aren't Christian, there's lots of churches that aren't, and those people are just fine believing what they want.
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Apr 25, 2016, 01:33 AM
 
Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
It's a form of nontrinitarian, new age, pseudo-gnosticism (neo-gnostic Arianism), certainly not a denomination (or "sect") of Christianity. An important part of being Christian is believing that Jesus was wholly man and God, and they don't. It's pretty simple. Look at the Nicene Creed (First Council of Constantinople, 381CE) and compare it to a church's beliefs. If they don't line up, they aren't Christian.
This is very interesting from a technical and comparative religion standpoint, but as a practical concern, the only way I'm going to start splitting that hair was if I became Christian.

If your religion is Christ-centric, and it's lasted a few generations past the death of its founder (thus differentiating it from a cult), that's close enough for me.
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Apr 25, 2016, 02:39 AM
 
It isn't Christ-centric. Christ, as his identity is taught in the established church doctrine, what makes him Christ, doesn't exist.
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Apr 25, 2016, 03:20 AM
 
You've totally got me outranked in the comparative religion department, so be gentle.

Doesn't "Christ" mean "messiah"?
     
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Apr 25, 2016, 08:59 AM
 
Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
The way I understand it, he likely died of acetaminophen poisoning. He was acutely addicted to opiates, Dilaudid and Fentanyl, and had been for decades (he was self-medicated and taking many times more than any person could ever need for pain relief). Ironically, opiates rarely kill addicts, it's the shit (large quantities of Tylenol) that drug companies put in them (to try and curb addiction) that does.

Something must have happened that restricted Prince's access to his opiates of choice, Dilaudid and Fentanyl, and led to him taking Percocet (oxycodone w/ acetaminophen), likely from multiple prescriptions from different doctors. However, since those are much, much weaker than what he normally took, he took massive quantities (word is >400mg /day, which is 13,000mg of acetaminophen) and rapidly destroyed his liver and kidneys.
quite sad if all true. What ever happened to good 'ole fashioned drunks & heroin addicts?
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Originally Posted by osiris View Post
quite sad if all true. What ever happened to good 'ole fashioned drunks & heroin addicts?
Nancy Reagan ruined that scene and got them all hooked on prescription drugs instead.
     
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Apr 25, 2016, 11:02 AM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
You've totally got me outranked in the comparative religion department, so be gentle.

Doesn't "Christ" mean "messiah"?
In the modern vernacular, it's what secular society has watered "Christ" down to.
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
It's a form of nontrinitarian, new age, pseudo-gnosticism (neo-gnostic Arianism), certainly not a denomination (or "sect") of Christianity. An important part of being Christian is believing that Jesus was wholly man and God, and they don't. It's pretty simple. Look at the Nicene Creed (First Council of Constantinople, 381CE) and compare it to a church's beliefs. If they don't line up, they aren't Christian.
So if a person's beliefs line up with the teaches of Jesus and his disciples instead of the Council of Nicea three centuries later, they're not Christian?

I'm not saying this in regard to the Jehovah's Witnesses, BTW.

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So if a person's beliefs line up with the teaches of Jesus and his disciples instead of the Council of Nicea three centuries later, they're not Christian?

I'm not saying this in regard to the Jehovah's Witnesses, BTW.
Being Christian is a combination of Church and Christ, "you can not have just one or the house will fall".
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
In the modern vernacular, it's what secular society has watered "Christ" down to.
No... I mean, "christ" is Greek for "messiah".
     
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
It's a form of nontrinitarian, new age, pseudo-gnosticism (neo-gnostic Arianism), certainly not a denomination (or "sect") of Christianity. An important part of being Christian is believing that Jesus was wholly man and God, and they don't. It's pretty simple. Look at the Nicene Creed (First Council of Constantinople, 381CE) and compare it to a church's beliefs. If they don't line up, they aren't Christian.
Yes, let's go dive into the history of early Christianity in a Prince RIP thread, won't this be fun...

Early on, various branches of Christianity had differing views on the nature of Christ. The one that you mention above is called dyophysitism and is the one both Catholics, Protestants and Greek Orthodox, as well as most other Christians, agree on. There are significant minorities that believe otherwise - Wikipedia claims that there are 84 million people in that group (miaphysites, e.g. Copts and others), and recent statements by the Pope in response to atrocities in the Middle East against various Oriental Orthodox minorities indicate that at least he considers them Christian. I don't know how the Holy See views Jehova's witnesses, but I don't think disagreements about christology is enough to disqualify them.
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Apr 25, 2016, 11:51 AM
 
harrumph! harrumph!
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Apr 25, 2016, 11:53 AM
 
I have a feeling there may be an agenda involved, but I've never heard the Copts called anything other than "Christian".
     
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Remember when this thread was about Prince?

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Apr 25, 2016, 03:23 PM
 
Somehow, I don't think Prince would've been too upset.

like this nice little tidbit stolen from Chongo's post of another thread:

"On one occasion Prince knocked on a door in a middle class suburb of Minneapolis. A woman answered and stared at the instantly recognizable singer, easily the Twin Cities’ biggest celebrity, Lundstrom recalled. “In the middle of Prince’s very nice Bible presentation, the woman says, ‘Excuse me, but has anyone told you that you look a lot like Prince?’ He looks at her and says, ‘It's been said.’ Then goes back to his presentation. When the woman asked Prince for his name, Prince said, ‘Rogers Nelson,’” his middle and last name."
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Yes, let's go dive into the history of early Christianity in a Prince RIP thread, won't this be fun...
Don't single me out, I didn't even bring it up.
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I have a feeling there may be an agenda involved, but I've never heard the Copts called anything other than "Christian".
That last was sort of my point.

What do you mean, agenda? All I know about religion I learned from playing Crusader Kings II.
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Say what you will about the National Enquirer, they do open themselves for a major lawsuit if this is wrong.
Prince — His Agonizing Final Days After AIDS Diagnosis | National Enquirer
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Guess we'll have to wait for the autopsy results.
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Originally Posted by Thorzdad View Post
I was in the air most of yesterday and only found out about Prince late last night, CA time. Hit me like a ton of bricks. I think this hit me a little closer to home than Bowie, because Prince is my age.

2016 sucks. so. hard.
I just got caught up here on 'NN, and I had to chime in on this. Prince was MY age too. And it has hit me very hard. So many of the greatest, most innovative performers are gone this year... I have to say that in many ways this year sucks more than most. Right up there with the year my dad died. It's rough.

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It's frustrating seeing all the ignorance surrounding this, news outlets claiming the opiates killed him. He'd still be alive today if they'd stop loading them up with so much Tylenol (acetaminophen), in large quantities it's more dangerous than heroin.
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It's frustrating seeing all the ignorance surrounding this, news outlets claiming the opiates killed him. He'd still be alive today if they'd stop loading them up with so much Tylenol (acetaminophen), in large quantities it's more dangerous than heroin.
For someone who has built up a tolerance to heroin, yes. For the rest of us, not so much.
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For someone who has built up a tolerance to heroin, yes. For the rest of us, not so much.
No, anyone.
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I'll clarify. 98% of the time, what kills people in a heroin OD isn't the heroin, even in huge doses, it's what it's cut with. Tylenol, in excess of 4000mg, is toxic, usually in less than a month (sometimes in a matter of days), Prince was taking >4x that amount, and had been for nearly 4 months.
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If you're going to pop them like candy, isn't Aleve (naproxen salts) generally considered the way to go?
     
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It's a lot better than any other OTG pain reliever, though you can quickly build a tolerance to those, if taken in excess.
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And burn a hole in the tummy... but FWIU generally won't kill you, which is nice.
     
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I guess we should spin-off this thread into "Fantastic drugs and how to use them"?

Are we going to talk about Prince at all?

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