[Uday's Carcass]

Oh man this is a kicker:
Many Italians now retire with full benefits from the state before they turn 60. If they are 57 or younger, they can retire after paying into the state pension system for 37 years. If they are over 57, they can retire after 35 years of contributions.

Boo-hoo, poor Italian socialist infidels. Getting full pensions and entitlements before you're sixty. It's 67 in The Great Satan.

Your lifestyle is crumbling:
Those demonstrations reflected a growing tension in Western Europe as governments reassess the affordability of their pension systems and citizens chafe against the prospect of diminished entitlements.

Another Gem of Enlightened Thought:
Late last month, Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi took the unusual step of addressing the issue directly in a prime-time television speech. "This is not a sustainable situation," he said of Italy's pension system.

Yeah, no kidding.

Rot in the filthy quagmire of your own making, Socialist Infidels. Your governments cannot sustain your safety nets for much longer. You'll have to work like the rest of the world, including the immigrants that you exploit in the underground labour system in your countries.

Karma is a bitch.

[eklipse]

Here's a complete article (minus Uday's editorializing): http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/24/in...4CND-ITAL.html

Late last month, Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi of Italy took the unusual step of addressing the issue directly with Italians by giving a nationally televised speech during the prime-time evening hours.

"Whoever says that everything can continue as it is now is deceiving us," Mr. Berlusconi said, referring to the current Italian pension system. "This is not a sustainable situation."

Many Italians now retire with full benefits from the state before they turn 60. If they are 57 or younger, they can retire after paying into the state pension system for 37 years. If they are over 57, they can retire after 35 years of contributions.

Mr. Berlusconi has proposed increasing that period to 40 years for men under 65 and women under 60, a requirement that would take effect in 2008. The Italian Parliament has not yet voted on the measure.

Mr. Berlusconi's first stint as prime minister, in 1994, ended after just seven months, in part because of disenchantment over his desire to meddle with the state pension system.

He is nonetheless tackling the issue again, even though it entails bringing Italians a kind of bad news that contrasts starkly with his cheery campaign promises two and a half years ago.

Seems to me that Berlusconi has identified a problem and is making moves to correct it. As is expected with such matters, there appears to be some question as to the best method to resolve the problem.

[Uday's Carcass]

Originally posted by eklipse:
Here's a complete article (minus Uday's editorializing): http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/24/in...4CND-ITAL.html


Seems to me that Berlusconi has identified a problem and is making moves to correct it. As is expected with such matters, there appears to be some question as to the best method to resolve the problem.

I was picking the high points, not editing--but I'm sorry I forgot to link to the source article. I did it for my other new topic; this one must have slipped by me. Thanks!

I expect most of you liberal infidels to be illiterate, but the few of you that have rudimentary reading skills can read for yourselves. I can only provide so much enlightenment. The rest of that Holy Path to Wisdom is up to you. 'A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.'

[Powerbook]

And I was wondering where have dumbfukk's uninformed rambles about european "soucerlism" (or something) gone. But he never dissappoints us.

PB.

[Uday's Carcass]

Originally posted by Powerbook:
And I was wondering where have dumbfukk's uninformed rambles about european "soucerlism" (or something) gone. But he never dissappoints us.

PB.

the stupendous failings of your own socialist system is not of my making. I rejoice in pointing it out because the arrogance with which you and your ilk discuss your failed system is beyond disgusting. The citizenry has been brainwashed and therefore it fights for entitlements that it cannot sustain. Europe would be wise to heed these words:

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship.

[Mastrap]

Uday, unfortunate victim of a sub-standard creative writing class, again proves one thing and one thing only:

He has not got the faintest idea what socialism actually is.

[Face Ache]

Originally posted by Uday's Carcass:
You'll have to work like the rest of the world, including the immigrants that you exploit in the underground labour system in your countries.

Wal-Mart paying undocumented workers $2 a day.

Originally posted by Uday's Carcass:
Karma is a bitch.

Can be.

[Uday's Carcass]

Originally posted by Face Ache:
Wal-Mart paying undocumented workers $2 a day.


Can be.

nice exaggeration, liberal tool. However, Wal-mart didn't hire these people and, if its execs aren't lying, the company didn't know about it. At least there is redress for these crimes, whereas such abuse and labour exploitation is overlooked in pinko nations like France b/c their overburdened and crumbling system can't afford to give recognition to the exploited immigrant labour classes in that country.

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by Uday's Carcass:
nice exaggeration, liberal tool. However, Wal-mart didn't hire these people and, if its execs aren't lying, the company didn't know about it. At least there is redress for these crimes, whereas such abuse and labour exploitation is overlooked in pinko nations like France b/c their overburdened and crumbling system can't afford to give recognition to the exploited immigrant labour classes in that country.

Your obviously not in an American. If you lived in America, statistically, you would know someone who was employed (or is employed) by Walmart at some point in the past 10 years. They are that large.

And if you talked to one of those people, you would know there are quite a few illegal's at any particular location working, mostly behind the scenes, sometimes in front of customers.


If you read up on Walmart (Business Week aprox 2 weeks ago being a good start) you know the government can't really afford to crack down on Walmart to hard. They employ to many, and hold to much power. Crippling Walmart would have a ripple effect on our economy. Several very large companies have a GIANT portion of their sales through Walmart. A small boycott on Walmart would effect several industries, and cost hundreds of millions, and lost jobs. As a result, many industries have been lobbying behind them.

It's a bad situation. Not something to make lite of. They treat their employees like Sh!t (as the infamous Barbara Ehrenreich Detective work recently reiterated). They hold several other companies in a nut-nuice.

Question is how you deal with this, and not cause negative effects on the economy. Bringing to much lite on this could cause a Boycott.. and other innocent companies suffer more than big walmart. Don't do anything, and others stuffer. How to fix? Nobody knows.

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by Uday's Carcass:
nice exaggeration, liberal tool. However, Wal-mart didn't hire these people and, if its execs aren't lying, the company didn't know about it. At least there is redress for these crimes, whereas such abuse and labour exploitation is overlooked in pinko nations like France b/c their overburdened and crumbling system can't afford to give recognition to the exploited immigrant labour classes in that country.

um... can't decide which is more amazing...that you think walmart would be unaware of its contractors hiring illegal immigrants, or that you obfuscate the issue by slamming France for some odd reason?.

[Uday's Carcass]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
the government can't really afford to crack down on Walmart to hard. They employ to many, and hold to much power. Crippling Walmart would have a ripple effect on our economy. Several very large companies have a GIANT portion of their sales through Walmart. A small boycott on Walmart would effect several industries, and cost hundreds of millions, and lost jobs. As a result, many industries have been lobbying behind them.

You don't have to crack down on the corporation, just the leadership. If it comes out that the bigwig execs (or some of them) knew this was going on, then they should be charged. Leveling fines against wal-mart or trying to put it into bankruptcy only hurts America and working-class Americans (millions of whom have investments in wal-mart through their 401k and mutual funds). Put the scum in jail if they violated the law, and someone else will fill their place. Then they'll know to obey the law or they'll end up like their boss--sitting in a federal lockup with a broomstick up their arse, crying for their yacht or private jet to rescue them.

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by Uday's Carcass:
You don't have to crack down on the corporation, just the leadership. If it comes out that the bigwig execs (or some of them) knew this was going on, then they should be charged. Leveling fines against wal-mart or trying to put it into bankruptcy only hurts America and working-class Americans (millions of whom have investments in wal-mart through their 401k and mutual funds). Put the scum in jail if they violated the law, and someone else will fill their place. Then they'll know to obey the law or they'll end up like their boss--sitting in a federal lockup with a broomstick up their arse, crying for their yacht or private jet to rescue them.

Walmart is to big for it's home style bigwigs. They can't possibly oversee the entire company. It's of a scale never before seen in industry.

They don't fight what's happening... that's the problem. Sam Walton isn't recruiting on the Mexican border. He just doesn't care (and can't care because he can't see) what his employees are doing.

It's a fundimental problem with large businesses. The execs are held responsible, but really shouldn't be.

For example. CEO's were forced to sign documents that their companies financial statements were "Enronized".... what's the problem with that? A CEO can't possibly verify it. The data that goes into it is to great for 1 person to do in a year. Much less 2 weeks. The CEO trusts people to do it for them... which is what created the problem in the first place.

How do you fix these fundimental problems? Put the entire company in jail? Put just the direct guilty in jail (don't bother the big wigs who profit?) Both? How do you tell exactly who did/knew what?

And again... how do you do this, without the side effects of people boycotting "for a good cause" (or so they think they only hurt the big wigs). And other effects?

It's a situation unlike any before. Quite tough.

[theolein]

I think we should finally admit that UC Knows Where It's At�. This man has the brains and the intelligence to become the chief executive of your fine land, and I think we all owe him the chance to prove his intimate knowledge and undestanding of financial and political affairs of the US and the rest of the world.

It would also finally give the populace enough energy to enact laws allowing them to lynch their leaders for incompetency, abuse of power and sheer stupidity.

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by theolein:
I think we should finally admit that UC Knows Where It's At�. This man has the brains and the intelligence to become the chief executive of your fine land, and I think we all owe him the chance to prove his intimate knowledge and undestanding of financial and political affairs of the US and the rest of the world.

It would also finally give the populace enough energy to enact laws allowing them to lynch their leaders for incompetency, abuse of power and sheer stupidity.

I'm still waiting for my God given right to lynch the one in office now for his stupidity.

If I still have energy after... maybe.