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finboy
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Dec 7, 2009, 10:06 PM
 
I think I'm finally coming around on this, now that the UN is convincing people using kids:

AFP: Copenhagen climate conference opens to dire warnings

I can sort of remember the Y2K, "global cooling" and 1970s oil hysterias, and I've read & written extensively about other kinds of panic throughout history, but this one is shaping up to be a doozy. It's just amazing what people will believe if lied to often enough.

Lennon (or Lenin) said it best: "Follow the money."

I guess next we'll be told that nonbelievers are like Nazis, or slave owners or something.
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Dec 7, 2009, 10:12 PM
 
Originally Posted by finboy View Post
I guess next we'll be told that nonbelievers are like Nazis, or slave owners or something.
We're past that point already. IIRC, one of Blair's cronies compared AGW denial to holocaust denial about two years ago.
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Dec 7, 2009, 10:13 PM
 
AIDS is fake!

AIDS/HIV is all a scam.

Follow the money.

It's about billions of dollars in research money for AIDS research.

AIDS/HIV is fake.
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Dec 7, 2009, 10:15 PM
 
^ What a crap argument.
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Dec 7, 2009, 10:25 PM
 
Originally Posted by Doofy View Post
^ What a crap argument.
^ What a crap argument.

I'm right. You are wrong. How's that argument.

http://www.google.com/search?source=...oq=&aqi=g2g-m1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST_DJmoyhNg

AIDS is the biggest science scam.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/155...ZF0CA3VAZFH4H2

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/155...ZF0CA3VAZFH4H2
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Dec 7, 2009, 10:26 PM
 
Originally Posted by hyteckit View Post
AIDS is fake!

AIDS/HIV is all a scam.

Follow the money.

It's about billions of dollars in research money for AIDS research.

AIDS/HIV is fake.
AID/HIV and "Climate Change" (as opposed to AGW) are both beyond a shadow of real. Research of both are highly political endeavors, which require us often times to "follow the money.

The movie/book "And The Band Played On" is a perfect testament of what happens when the egos of scientists, the pressure from politics and the lure of big money turns "science" into something that no longer resembles the intellectual search it started out as.

Yes, FOLLOW THE MONEY.
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Dec 7, 2009, 10:34 PM
 
Originally Posted by hyteckit View Post
AIDS is fake!

AIDS/HIV is all a scam.

Follow the money.

It's about billions of dollars in research money for AIDS research.

AIDS/HIV is fake.
Actually, that's a pretty good example of how politics can get in the way of truth. How many years did we hear that the spread of HIV/AIDS wasn't about behavior? (It's important that you're old enough to remember it first-hand). Turns out, it is!!! Amazing. Change behavior... change outcomes. But politicians don't want to hear that either.
     
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Dec 7, 2009, 10:37 PM
 
I hate scientists. Do they do anything besides wasting money and trying to scare the poop out of us? Between LHC and climate change, they've got it pretty well accomplished with some people.
     
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Dec 7, 2009, 10:38 PM
 
So we all agree HIV/AIDS is just as fake/real as AGW?

Sweet.
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Dec 8, 2009, 12:02 PM
 
Originally Posted by hyteckit View Post
So we all agree HIV/AIDS is just as fake/real as AGW?

Sweet.
Politically, they're exactly the same -- a little bit of "science" used to divide, propagandize or raise money for other things and shift power.

Does the politics solve the problem? Not in the case of AIDS/HIV. Of course it's real, duh? But much of the disaster hype surrounding it was not real, only power grabs by WHO and other bits of the UN.

Did politician/scientists solve the crisis? Nope, behavior did. Hygiene teachers solved it in Sub-Saharan Africa, for instance. Have advances been made? Sure, but not by the chicken-littles. They've thrown lots of money at it though.

If you want an example of where the "science" proved useful to your argument, you better look past HIV.
     
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Dec 9, 2009, 05:31 PM
 
The polar bears are running out of ice to fish from.
     
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Dec 9, 2009, 07:39 PM
 
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The polar bears are running out of ice to fish from.
Well, they should use bottom-dredging, ecosystem-destroying factory ships to fish with then, like everyone else who's not vegetarian.
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Dec 14, 2009, 12:16 PM
 
More evidence that this is all a big wealth-transfer device:

My Way News - Developing countries boycott UN climate talks

Of course they won't participate -- they're waiting for more bucks! God, how do people get snowed by this stuff?

I know, I know, we're supposed to be a "good example" to them, and they'll change their ways. Riiiight. Argument Numba Two: We can afford to regress to the Stone Age for cleaner air (because there's a catastrophe occurring) so we should do it out of faith and charity. Yah.

It just keeps getting better and better with these morons.
     
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Dec 14, 2009, 03:27 PM
 
Originally Posted by finboy View Post
More evidence that this is all a big wealth-transfer device:

My Way News - Developing countries boycott UN climate talks

Of course they won't participate -- they're waiting for more bucks! God, how do people get snowed by this stuff?

I know, I know, we're supposed to be a "good example" to them, and they'll change their ways. Riiiight. Argument Numba Two: We can afford to regress to the Stone Age for cleaner air (because there's a catastrophe occurring) so we should do it out of faith and charity. Yah.

It just keeps getting better and better with these morons.
Defeat the USA! Defeat the USA! Defeat the USA!

Go China!
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Dec 14, 2009, 03:41 PM
 
Originally Posted by lpkmckenna View Post
The polar bears are running out of ice to fish from.
They should move in with my cousin Carlos in Wisconsin, he says the ice fishing up there has been fantastic this year. But they have to get their own shanty, his only holds 3 fishermen, and bears are (usually) bigger than people.
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Dec 15, 2009, 05:40 AM
 
For me, it wasn't the bible-thumping at the climate conference in HopenChangen that convinced me to believe in MMGW, it was Algore's poetry of doom.

You can't make this stuff up! This crowd just keeps on getting funnier and nuttier!
     
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Dec 17, 2009, 05:06 PM
 
Just remember (this is the BEST) --- colder weather is EVIDENCE of global warming. That's my all-time favorite. The colder it gets, the more we need to "do something." Whatever that something is.

Oh my God how much of a moron do you have to be to not see the economic motives behind this crap.
     
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Dec 17, 2009, 05:20 PM
 
Wow, hyteckit, as usual, class-act trolling.

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Dec 17, 2009, 05:31 PM
 
Originally Posted by finboy View Post
Oh my God how much of a gmoron do you have to be to not see the economic motives behind this crap.
Fixed.
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Dec 17, 2009, 05:44 PM
 
Originally Posted by finboy View Post
More evidence that this is all a big wealth-transfer device:

My Way News - Developing countries boycott UN climate talks

Of course they won't participate -- they're waiting for more bucks! God, how do people get snowed by this stuff?

I know, I know, we're supposed to be a "good example" to them, and they'll change their ways. Riiiight. Argument Numba Two: We can afford to regress to the Stone Age for cleaner air (because there's a catastrophe occurring) so we should do it out of faith and charity. Yah.

It just keeps getting better and better with these morons.
No, we're the worst offenders, so we should fix our own behavior. Half the pollution in the developing world is shipped there from the first world.

We're the problem. China barely passed the U.S.'s level of greenhouse gas production despite having six times our population.
     
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Dec 18, 2009, 12:14 AM
 
Originally Posted by Helmling View Post
No, we're the worst offenders, so we should fix our own behavior. Half the pollution in the developing world is shipped there from the first world.

We're the problem. China barely passed the U.S.'s level of greenhouse gas production despite having six times our population.
Well, that, or we have a better standard of living, better human rights record, better wealth distribution, and a long history of individual freedom and economic growth. And those that don't have any of those things are using the "YOU did it" argument, and the fallacy of AGW, to transfer wealth.

I guess it's the "We're the problem" thing that doesn't fit. Me, and lots of other folks, ordinary and otherwise, don't see it that way.
     
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Dec 18, 2009, 03:18 AM
 
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Wow, hyteckit, as usual, class-act trolling.

-t
Know what's the difference between a troll and a turtle?

One hides under a bridge.

The other hides inside a shell.
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Dec 18, 2009, 11:57 AM
 
BREAKING NEWS

Two of the world's next superpowers (China and India) have officially pulled out of Copenhagen sessions in protest. Big surprise.

Not enough money changing hands, not enough "punishment" for the evil-doers in the West.

The soap opera continues...

In the meantime, school children in the US still lose sleep over the "dying planet" that their hippy-dippy teacher told them about.
     
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Originally Posted by Helmling View Post
No, we're the worst offenders, so we should fix our own behavior. Half the pollution in the developing world is shipped there from the first world. We're the problem. China barely passed the U.S.'s level of greenhouse gas production despite having six times our population.
Giving you the benefit that this is actually a "problem" (giving quite a lot actually), there is nothing to suggest that sweeping legislation or "global policy" is necessary to achieve reduction goals. The US has already surpassed Kyoto's emission reduction target of 6% by more than 2% for example and we're already halfway to Obama's commitment of an overall 17% reduction; no cap and trade, no Kyoto... zilch.

As usual, the proposed "fix" is to merely transfer wealth from rich to poor while accomplishing little more than lining the pockets of traders through a global cap and trade scheme. As if the political nature of this issue weren't evidenced enough already, we have Copenhagen to really hammer the message home.
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