[AppleGirl1990]

MacWorld is here!
Will we see an minor revision to the OS X code?
I hope so because it takes me 5 minutes to repair permissions and my machine isn't slow.

[TETENAL]

Originally Posted by AppleGirl1990 

I hope so because it takes me 5 minutes to repair permissions

Then stop doing it!

and my machine isn't slow.

Is that a problem?

[Cadaver]

Originally Posted by AppleGirl1990 

MacWorld is here!
Will we see an minor revision to the OS X code?
I hope so because it takes me 5 minutes to repair permissions and my machine isn't slow.

How long should it take? You do know that it has to go through and look at nearly all of the files on your machine?

[64stang06]

Originally Posted by Cadaver 

How long should it take? You do know that it has to go through and look at nearly all of the files on your machine?

Considering that my 867Mhz PB with Tiger repairs permissions in about a minute or so, Leopard is slow doing the same task.

[Chito]

Originally Posted by TETENAL 

Then stop doing it!

Is that a problem?

Well yeah...that IS a problem. Since everyone's been telling us to repair permissions after installing updates or new software. I try to repair permissions at least every two weeks or so. I don't think that's excessive and since I haven't heard that OS X is doing it automatically I don't think I'm going overboard.

[Person Man]

Permissions repair is not something to do every day. I almost never run repair permissions and I have had no problems at all. And this is coming from running every version of Mac OS X from the Public Beta through 10.5.1.

I do run it occasionally, but only when I have a problem, and only after I have exhausted all other troubleshooting steps first. Most of the time, the problem gets fixed before I even hit the permissions repair step, and nine times out of ten, if I get that far, permissions repair won't fix it. But I do try it before resorting to a nuke and pave. (Clean reinstall).

And I can count the number of times I've had to do a clean reinstall to fix problems on one hand, and that is since the Public Beta. I always do a clean reinstall when going from major version to major version (like 10.3 to 10.4, for example), but that doesn't count since there are no problems. And I have never had any of the problems with system updates that people report here or on Macintouch or on Macfixit (i.e. don't install the security update!!!11 It's teh evilz0rz!!!!111oneoneeleven"), and even if I did, I have a recent backup I can use to roll back the update.

Take my experience for what it's worth.

[Person Man]

Originally Posted by Chito 

Well yeah...that IS a problem. Since everyone's been telling us to repair permissions after installing updates or new software. I try to repair permissions at least every two weeks or so. I don't think that's excessive and since I haven't heard that OS X is doing it automatically I don't think I'm going overboard.

If it makes you feel better, then by all means, keep doing it. But there REALLY is no reason to do it much at all. It's something that keeps getting repeated over and over until it becomes meaningless.

See my experience, above.

[TETENAL]

Originally Posted by Chito 

I try to repair permissions at least every two weeks or so. I don't think that's excessive.

Yes, that is excessive.

You don't repair permissions on a regular basis at all. Not after software installs or in any other way periodically. The only time one repairs permissions is when there is an actual problem with the OS that might be related to permissions. The vast majority of user will never have to do this.

[besson3c]

I think the repair permissions tool might take longer because it has to trigger an fsevent, and I think I remember reading about some other form of verification it does in Leopard to foil an exploit that was possible under Tiger, but the good news is that you don't have to do it. There is absolutely no reason to do it if you aren't experiencing a very specific problem that the tool is designed to fix, and these problems are extremely rare now in Tiger and Leopard (this wasn't the case in prior versions of OS X installers).

The era of so called "maintenance tasks" is over. Your computer isn't a car. Stop running the tool, you are wasting your time. You are also putting yourself at risk, as mentioned above.

Here is a modern computing mantra to replace your earlier notions:

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"

[analogika]

Like with cars, people get nervous when they feel they should be doing *something* even when everything's fine.

And just like with cars, there's always somebody nearby who'll be happy to sell you an air freshener or other useless gadget, instead.

[roosta]

i was sure they'd release it, especially with all that new hardware (time capsule in particular). i'm told the updater weighs in at about 350mb, so there must be quite a bit of reworking in there (unless its just new and improved print drivers and an additional 20 languages).

[Chito]

Originally Posted by TETENAL 

Yes, that is excessive.

You don't repair permissions on a regular basis at all. Not after software installs or in any other way periodically. The only time one repairs permissions is when there is an actual problem with the OS that might be related to permissions. The vast majority of user will never have to do this.

Well...who knew? Honestly I've been under the assumption from reading here and the Apple forums that you should ALWAYS repair regularly and ALWAYS after an install or update. Thanks for that.....I'll quit tinkering I guess. I've been using OS X since day one also...well not the beta....and I've been doing all those permiission repairs for nothing...huh!

[TETENAL]

You're reading this here and over there because this and especially Apple's forum are support forums. People with a particular problem come here to seek help. And if you have a problem repairing permissions might help in some cases. As long as you don't encounter a particular problem however, you really don't need to bother with repairing permissions.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Chito 

Well...who knew? Honestly I've been under the assumption from reading here and the Apple forums that you should ALWAYS repair regularly and ALWAYS after an install or update. Thanks for that.....I'll quit tinkering I guess. I've been using OS X since day one also...well not the beta....and I've been doing all those permiission repairs for nothing...huh!

There apparently used to be some bugs with some software installers that would mess up permissions and warrant use of the tool. These have been fixed for long enough that this is no longer really a concern.

[peeb]

Where's Charles? Oh, that's right, having exactly this conversation in another thread!

[HitchHiker]

Back on topic, so when is 10.5.1 coming out?

[Andhee]

Originally Posted by HitchHiker 

Back on topic, so when is 10.5.1 coming out?

It's already out mate ;p, but I don't know when 10.5.2 comes out though.

[HitchHiker]

Heh. I meant 10.5.2

[Chito]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

There apparently used to be some bugs with some software installers that would mess up permissions and warrant use of the tool. These have been fixed for long enough that this is no longer really a concern.

I suppose that's why after I installed Office 2008 last night I had to repair permissions huh? The font's in Safari were totally hosed...couldn't read anything. Quit, restarted, same thing...repair permissions and all's well. Thank You Microsoft

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Chito 

I suppose that's why after I installed Office 2008 last night I had to repair permissions huh? The font's in Safari were totally hosed...couldn't read anything. Quit, restarted, same thing...repair permissions and all's well. Thank You Microsoft

Absolute pure coincidence. There is no way that incorrect permissions can hose fonts, it's either they are readable or unreadable, but incorrect permissions do not cause corruption like you are describing.

[Art Vandelay]

Originally Posted by Chito 

I suppose that's why after I installed Office 2008 last night I had to repair permissions huh? The font's in Safari were totally hosed...couldn't read anything. Quit, restarted, same thing...repair permissions and all's well. Thank You Microsoft

Did you reboot from the OS X disc to repair permissions?

[50leaves.com]

I'm so ready for this update. Lots of cool features and annoying bug fixes. My guess 2-3 weeks till we see it (hopefully)

[Chito]

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay 

Did you reboot from the OS X disc to repair permissions?

No. Just ran disc utility.

[C.A.T.S. CEO]

So what do we see in this update? So far I know this:

• Bug fixes
• Stacks fix
• Possible re-enabling of the Time Machine backup to AirDisk feature

What else?

[chris v]

Always repair permissions before and after repairing permissions.

[50leaves.com]

Originally Posted by C.A.T.S. CEO 

So what do we see in this update? So far I know this:

• Bug fixes
• Stacks fix
• Possible re-enabling of the Time Machine backup to AirDisk feature

What else?

350MB worth of goodness.

70+ bug fixes

[besson3c]

Maybe new scrollbars?

[AKcrab]

Originally Posted by chris v 

Always repair permissions before and after repairing permissions.

QFMFT™

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by chris v 

Always repair permissions before and after repairing permissions.

[chris v]

Originally Posted by CharlesS 

Excellent.

[Sherman Homan]

I moved my mouse back, do I need to repair permissions again? 20 times?

[Aegis]

No, only 15 times. 20 would be ridiculous!

[silver]

These are all great,lol.

The thing is that, I frequent macfixit.com and they always list Repairing Permissions as the first thing to try, in fact they even say to do it before and after a update.

Now don't shoot the messenger, just pointing out that there's at least one site that's saying we should do it.

I should point out that at the most I'll Repair Permissions once a month, force of habit from the earlier days of OS X.


Cheers

[silver]

Now back on point.

I hope the update has the added or I should say put back the Hierarchy feature we had in virtually every version of OS X dock.

I remember in the Dev builds of Leopard that you could click on a stack, while in grid mode click on a folder, then instead of opening a window your kept in grid mode navigating said folders contents. Please Apple I just want to navigate more than 1 level in grid mode.

Maybe besides fixes, Apple implemented the TrackPad gestures or something; pushing the update for a later release.

Oh well the update will arrive sooner or later.


Cheers

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by silver 

I remember in the Dev builds of Leopard that you could click on a stack, while in grid mode click on a folder, then instead of opening a window your kept in grid mode navigating said folders contents. Please Apple I just want to navigate more than 1 level in grid mode.

Cheers

Ya I remember it also and I was shocked when I found out it was removed from the final build. I loved that feature!

[0157988944]

And the drag any selection to the dock and make a stack feature... No one knows why they did remove it, right?

I hope that Safari and Mail stop crashing with 10.5.2.

[Cadaver]

Originally Posted by adamfishercox 

I hope that Safari and Mail stop crashing with 10.5.2.

Crashing for you? On 3 computers of mine with Leopard (a 2.66GHz Mac Pro, a 2.16GHz CD MacBook Pro and a 1.3GHz 12" PowerBook G4), Safari has crashed exactly once - on the 12" PBG4.

[0157988944]

Safari crashes about 10% of the time due to problems with the Flash plug-in. Reinstalling Flash doesn't help.

Mail chokes with GMail IMAP. But I'm not going back to POP, so Mail had better suck it up...

[Catfish_Man]

Most of the Safari crashes I've seen (on other people's computers) are due to InputManagers... even the ones that look like Flash. Most of the ones on my computer that I've seen are due to Flex Builder's profiling tool being a total POS, but I figured out how to avoid that.

[Koralatov]

Originally Posted by adamfishercox 

Safari crashes about 10% of the time due to problems with the Flash plug-in. Reinstalling Flash doesn't help.

Yeah, I've been having the same problem with YouTube for some reason. It appears to be the older videos that do it; the newer ones (with the different control bar at the bottom) don't seem to cause crashes at all. With the older videos, I have about one in ten chance of a crash, which appears to be about the same as you. That said, it's only YouTube I've noticed this problem with.

As you say, hopefully this will be fixed in 10.5.2.

[DarkStarRed]

Well yesterday Macscoop gave some details on build 9C16 Mac OS X 10.5.2 update to bring endless list of fixes (UPDATE) | MacScoop

[PaperNotes]

I need this update. Any update. My Mac has been behaving crashy since the last one.

[Angelo78]

I hope they finally get around to repairing whatever is wrong with Secure Empty Trash. What a mess it has been since my upgrade to Leopard. Sometimes, if there are multiple items in my trash, the deleting process just hangs and never finishes. I only need the feature for small text files so it's not that they are abnormally large and need a lot of time to delete.

[rickey939]

Wireless Boot? NetBoot?

[imitchellg5]

They will probably make you pay $20 for it