[Laminar]

Originally Posted by subego 

Meaning that if two public television shows of unimpeachable quality ask for the same budget, and one of those shows has very poor ratings, the show with poor ratings won’t get as big of a budget despite the quality.

It's never that simple. Quality isn't a quantifiable metric, and a show's value comes down to which executive can make the most convincing argument rather than some mathematical formula of which niche group gets some kind of measurable value out of the show's existence.

[subego]

I’m not implying it is that simple, I contrived an exaggerated, hypothetical scenario to illustrate the way in which ratings have some bearing on the public television decision making process.

[subego]

Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep 

Lots of folks still listen in the car.

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Maybe I need to check my privilege, but I thought aux jacks and mobile devices were pretty ubiquitous.

[Laminar]

Originally Posted by subego 

I’m not implying it is that simple, I contrived an exaggerated, hypothetical scenario to illustrate the way in which ratings have some bearing on the public television decision making process.

Seems like a roundabout way to make a point that nobody disagrees with?

[subego]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

a point that nobody disagrees with

Nature finds a way.

[OreoCookie]

AFAIK Korea is famous for fried chicken (very good, sweet and spicy), but their BBQ is pork and beef. Korean BBQ is super famous in Japan. Korean BBQ has been the most famous export of Korean cuisine apart from kimchi (which arguably isn’t a dish). Korean cuisine is undervalued internationally.

Originally Posted by subego 

The Americanized version is a cheap food staple, though I splash a gallon of sesame oil on it.

Instant/cup ramen ≠ ramen.
The two are of a different species. In the restaurant my wife worked at, each batch of the broth took 24 hours to prepare.

Originally Posted by subego 

Actual Ramen joints are a thing now, but I generally need to dump ingredients. Not a fan of leafy or fungal in my soup. I like tonkatsu and shoyu broth, but can’t stand miso.

Roughly speaking, there are three types of soup-bases: salt-based (shio), soy sauce-based (shoyu) and miso-based.

[Waragainstsleep]

Originally Posted by subego 

ButWhy.gif

Maybe I need to check my privilege, but I thought aux jacks and mobile devices were pretty ubiquitous.

Maybe its just me. My car is old and has no aux jack. Also the radio antenna got severed so I can't use an FM sender either.


On the subject of ramen, theres a film called the Ramen Girl which I'm oddly fond of. Its probably not that great but I like it.

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by subego 

Meaning that if two public television shows of unimpeachable quality ask for the same budget, and one of those shows has very poor ratings, the show with poor ratings won’t get as big of a budget despite the quality.

I would say this is not necessarily true, unless when you wrote poor vs. good ratings relative to expectations. If a show does poor relative to expectations, then yes, it could be canceled. But that need not be true just because one show does better than the other in absolute terms.

Originally Posted by subego 

The idea of public television money going into FIFA’s coffers makes me want to vomit. Shameful.

Yes, but this is a cross-party issue: I remember how the center-left chancellor Schröder (SPD) and his arch enemy, Bavarian prime minister Stoiber (CSU) immediately pushed for upping the budget to allow the 2006 World Cup (which was hosted by Germany) to be broadcast on public TV. At the time the money FIFA asked for was outrageous. (Famously, both politicians are huge soccer fans.)

Originally Posted by subego 

It’s possible Adam’s just being his normal ham. Australian accents are a riot.

I remember Savage addressing their popularity in Australia in a few comments.

Originally Posted by subego 

“For the glowie of MAHHHHS”

I thought the actress portraying Bobbie Draper was from New Zealand?

[subego]

She is, but those dialects aren’t particularly different to my ear. They both drive “cahhs” with steering wheels on the “roight”.

[subego]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie 

I would say this is not necessarily true, unless when you wrote poor vs. good ratings relative to expectations. If a show does poor relative to expectations, then yes, it could be canceled. But that need not be true just because one show does better than the other in absolute terms.

I’m a touch confused.

I said one would get a smaller budget. What is the reason you changed it to canceled?

[subego]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie 

AFAIK Korea is famous for fried chicken (very good, sweet and spicy), but their BBQ is pork and beef. Korean BBQ is super famous in Japan. Korean BBQ has been the most famous export of Korean cuisine apart from kimchi (which arguably isn’t a dish). Korean cuisine is undervalued internationally.

It’s actually pretty huge in Chicago for whatever reason. Before that was the case my introduction was a Hawaiian place. They didn’t call it galbi and bap, but that’s what they were.

I dislike cabbage though, so kimchi’s out.


Edit: we also have a notable Japanese population which was originally centered in my neighborhood. I think I mentioned that as a kid I hung out all the time at Tokyo Rose’s tchotchke shop.

[subego]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie 

Yes, but this is a cross-party issue

Plenty of vomit to go around.

[reader50]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie 

Plus, I think the US market is rather different: many US shows are being exported to the majority of the world whereas shows produced in other, non-English-speaking countries are made more for domestic consumption.

I've noticed for a couple decades that US shows get exported with good dubbing. The DVDs (and later media) often have alternate sound tracks. But non-US shows or movies typically have only subtitles.

Perhaps non-US content would be more popular worldwide if they spent a bit more jack to include real dubbing. Instead of giving out-of-market speakers the 2nd-class treatment.

[Thorzdad]

Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep 

Maybe its just me. My car is old and has no aux jack. Also the radio antenna got severed so I can't use an FM sender either.

I listen to the radio in my car all the time. There’s a really fun community station whose playlist could be accurately called “eclectic.” Plus, there are a couple of high-school station, run by the students, that I like to listen to once in awhile, just to see if they’re playing anything new that I might like. And, then there’s good old NPR.

In my wife’s car, she jumps between radio and CDs.

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by reader50 

I've noticed for a couple decades that US shows get exported with good dubbing. The DVDs (and later media) often have alternate sound tracks. But non-US shows or movies typically have only subtitles.

I prefer subtitles. Even if you can’t speak a language, you can pick up on some nuances. In a Turkish TV show, a vaguely Buffy-the-Vampire-Slayer-esque show the main characters were addressing each other by their last names rather than their first names despite being quite close. In the dub, they used first names. I thought this was interesting.

Originally Posted by reader50 

Perhaps non-US content would be more popular worldwide if they spent a bit more jack to include real dubbing. Instead of giving out-of-market speakers the 2nd-class treatment.

To be honest, I don’t think it ever crossed the minds of American TV execs to consider putting foreign TV shows on, at least pre-Netflix. I’m sure there are exceptions, but I reckon there was so much pressure to adopt native shows and execs surely thought there was no market for it.

[reader50]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie 

To be honest, I don’t think it ever crossed the minds of American TV execs to consider putting foreign TV shows on, at least pre-Netflix. I’m sure there are exceptions ...

Buffy the Vampire Slayer is an actual example. The DVD sets include Spanish, French, and German dubs (mix depends on market). From what I've read, the non-English dubs were distributed during the original foreign broadcasts. So that pushes high-quality Hollywood dubbing back to at least the 1990s.

sub-example: German audiences did not realize right away that Spike was British. Because the German voice actor hadn't been cast with that in mind. By the time it became relevant within the story, his German voice was established as his, for multiple seasons. I don't think it was ever recast.

2nd sub-example. During the musical episode, the original cast got musical assignments based on their actual talents. Which made things tough for the dubbing voices. The regular Spanish voices muddled through. The French release people hired an actual singer for Tara's songs, whose singing voice sounded similar to the Fr Tara's regular voice.

So we're dubbing movies and TV shows, going back decades. But when I watch a non-English film, it's rarely dubbed. And I've yet to watch a non-English TV show with dubbing. It's all subtitles. I've long figured this is a reason why Hollywood keeps clobbering other countries' film industries. More-accessible product equals wider sales than the competition.

[subego]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie 

I prefer subtitles. Even if you can’t speak a language, you can pick up on some nuances.

I’ll add something obvious but rarely mentioned.

Voices are sounds. They’re an integral component of the sound design. Change the sounds and it wrecks the design.

[reader50]

Sounds like you oppose audio translation. Potentially in any form.

Well, if you oppose dubbing, I look forward to your movie. With subtitles in 10 languages.

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by reader50 

Buffy the Vampire Slayer is an actual example. The DVD sets include Spanish, French, and German dubs (mix depends on market). From what I've read, the non-English dubs were distributed during the original foreign broadcasts. So that pushes high-quality Hollywood dubbing back to at least the 1990s.

Yeah, I can also think of a few accent-related dubbing fails, e. g. when a character has a strong Southern accent or so, and this is supposed to conjure up stereotypes … this flies right past the audience. I wouldn't want to watch The Expanse, not knowing that Alex “I'm just a transport pilot!” Kamal has a strong Texan accent and Bobbie Badass Draper is a Kiwi.

The translations can sometimes be crude and even false. Especially when it comes to humor or rarely used phrases. One TNG episode has stuck out to me over literally decades now: they translated Picard's “Fire at will!” with “Feuern nach eigenem Ermessen!” This isn't just bad-bad, because it is longer. But it is really bad, because there exists a perfect translation: “Feuer frei!”

Originally Posted by reader50 

sub-example: German audiences did not realize right away that Spike was British. Because the German voice actor hadn't been cast with that in mind. By the time it became relevant within the story, his German voice was established as his, for multiple seasons. I don't think it was ever recast.

I never watched Buffy, so I wouldn't know, but this is a good point.

Originally Posted by reader50 

So we're dubbing movies and TV shows, going back decades. But when I watch a non-English film, it's rarely dubbed. And I've yet to watch a non-English TV show with dubbing. It's all subtitles. I've long figured this is a reason why Hollywood keeps clobbering other countries' film industries. More-accessible product equals wider sales than the competition.

IMHO subtitles are better. Living in a smaller country like the Netherlands where dubbing is not financially viable is a blessing in disguise: there is a good reason why pretty much every Dutch person is fluent in English.

Originally Posted by subego 

I’ll add something obvious but rarely mentioned.

Voices are sounds. They’re an integral component of the sound design. Change the sounds and it wrecks the design.

Not only that, voices aren't just sound, they are a super important part when it comes to acting. And sometimes you miss entire performances when a voice actor isn't up to snuff. This is less of an issue with low(er) brow content. But crucial for movies.

Fun fact: Arnold Schwarzenegger dubbed himself, which was almost as funny as in the English original where Conan/The Terminator have a strong Austrian accent. (To German ears it is completely obvious that even his English doesn't have a German, but an Austrian accent.)

Originally Posted by subego 

Plenty of vomit to go around.

Yup.
Although I think a good share of the people think that the soccer Euro and World Cups are part of a shared German cultural heritage, something that should be on public TV (as opposed to pay TV).

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by subego 

I’m a touch confused.

I said one would get a smaller budget. What is the reason you changed it to canceled?

Even if you replace canceled with cutting the show's budget, I don't think public TV program directors would necessarily change the budget if they judged the show to be successful using the parameters of success that they set out in the beginning.

[subego]

Originally Posted by reader50 

Sounds like you oppose audio translation. Potentially in any form.

Well, if you oppose dubbing, I look forward to your movie. With subtitles in 10 languages.

We’re having trouble with just one language!

[subego]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie 

Yeah, I can also think of a few accent-related dubbing fails, e. g. when a character has a strong Southern accent or so, and this is supposed to conjure up stereotypes … this flies right past the audience. I wouldn't want to watch The Expanse, not knowing that Alex “I'm just a transport pilot!” Kamal has a strong Texan accent and Bobbie Badass Draper is a Kiwi.

No, wait… donkey balls!

[subego]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie 

I never watched Buffy, so I wouldn't know…

I’m sure no one has ever told you this, but you should. It’s really good.

[Laminar]

I tried to start it once but got like 45 seconds in and it was so aggressively '90s I couldn't continue.

[subego]

What’s wrong with the 90s?

[Thorzdad]

Originally Posted by subego 

What’s wrong with the 90s?

Shittiest drugs ever.

[subego]

Really? That was the last time I got good acid.

[Thorzdad]

90s acid was like eating speed compared to 70s acid. Anyway, I’d mostly switched to mushrooms by then.

[subego]

That was another good thing about 90s drugs. Lots of mushrooms.

I was born in 1971 so I missed-out on 70s acid. My dad says one of his biggest regrets of that era was not keeping the small quantities of clinical stuff he procured all to himself.

I also missed-out on quaaludes.

[Waragainstsleep]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

I tried to start it once but got like 45 seconds in and it was so aggressively '90s I couldn't continue.

It gets better. But it takes a couple of seasons.

[subego]

It’s admittedly not a consistent show.

The third season is excellent. The fifth season is some of the best television I’ve ever seen. The fourth season is hot garbage.

Relatedly, the last season of Angel somehow manages to surpass the fifth season of Buffy until it completely falls apart at the end.

[Thorzdad]

Originally Posted by subego 

That was another good thing about 90s drugs. Lots of mushrooms.

I was born in 1971 so I missed-out on 70s acid. My dad says one of his biggest regrets of that era was not keeping the small quantities of clinical stuff he procured all to himself.

I also missed-out on quaaludes.

‘Ludes were pretty awesome. We called them 714s in my neck of the woods (the tabs were imprinted with the numeral 714) Addictive as hell. Dangerous, too, as they were very easy to OD on. But, such a nice, deep, easy, sedative. Cosby’s rape drug of choice, I hear.

70s acid was just plain fun. Chemists knew what they were doing and had a little pride in their product. Eventually, though, others got involved and, like I said, it felt more like super-speed with awesome visuals. I think the last actual acid I dropped was the purple microdot I took to go see the premier of Tron. I went exclusively mushrooms after that.

For awhile I was getting them from a guy whose brother was growing them in a lab up at Michigan State. Then, I moved around, got old, and lost connections. It’s been awhile since I last had a source, and being an oldster makes it very, very hard to find one. People just assume you’re a narc. I’ve seriously thought about growing my own.

[subego]

I became suddenly epileptic a decade ago, and my original neurologist said mushrooms were a no-go because there wasn’t enough research.

He retired, and I went years without a neurologist. Just recently I decided I should get a new one, and was excited at the chance to broach it again.

Well, turns out she’s what you would call a “square”, Didn’t know what they were, and when I told her it was like I had asked if I should light myself on fire.

[Laminar]

Originally Posted by subego 

What’s wrong with the 90s?

4:3

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

4:3

Yeah, vertical video FTW!

[Thorzdad]

Originally Posted by subego 

I became suddenly epileptic a decade ago, and my original neurologist said mushrooms were a no-go because there wasn’t enough research.

He retired, and I went years without a neurologist. Just recently I decided I should get a new one, and was excited at the chance to broach it again.

Well, turns out she’s what you would call a “square”, Didn’t know what they were, and when I told her it was like I had asked if I should light myself on fire.

Technically, I think all doctors are required to act dumb when it comes to psilocybin. Now, ask a good psychiatrist what they think, and they’ll have opinions. There’s a lot of movement in psychiatric circles exploring the use of psychedelics for treatment of depression.

[subego]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

4:3

So, just like the series I’ve been working on?

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

4:3

Except for Babylon 5, which was ahead of its time in this respect, too!

[subego]

Originally Posted by Thorzdad 

Technically, I think all doctors are required to act dumb when it comes to psilocybin. Now, ask a good psychiatrist what they think, and they’ll have opinions. There’s a lot of movement in psychiatric circles exploring the use of psychedelics for treatment of depression.

I guess I was hoping that was common knowledge by now.

She asked me why I wanted to take them. I told her they give them to terminal patients and it helps screw on their head about dying. I asked her “if it can do that, why wouldn’t I want to take it?

[Waragainstsleep]

Originally Posted by Thorzdad 

Technically, I think all doctors are required to act dumb when it comes to psilocybin. Now, ask a good psychiatrist what they think, and they’ll have opinions. There’s a lot of movement in psychiatric circles exploring the use of psychedelics for treatment of depression.

Yes, I've seen a few claims that even single doses of LSD or Ketamine can 'reset' your brain for lack of a better word. Sounds very promising. That said, I knew someone who was part of a trial with ket and it didn't save her sadly.

[subego]

I have a friend who takes ketamine and she seems to be in the group it helps.

[Laminar]

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot 

Yeah, vertical video FTW!

I was trying to watch the trailer for Black Adam last night on my phone in landscape mode. The first commercial played in landscape mode. Then the orientation of the video changed, and a second ad specifically designed for portrait mode played, so that it was 90 degrees off from my perspective and I'm pretty sure the "Skip Ad" button was on the top right of the screen (should have been bottom right) and was also 90 degrees off. Not sure if that was a glitch or just a bad oversight.