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PRIVACY RIGHTS: Kerry has some 'splainin to do
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Mar 4, 2004, 03:13 PM
 
If the Roll Call report is true, and there is no reason to believe
otherwise, it shows John Kerry to be somewhat of a hypocrite. His
campaign platform (http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/civilrights/) says
that "Kerry believes that Ashcroft has violated civil liberties and
abused his authority with invasions of privacy without justification."

How does Kerry justify his own invasion of privacy?

At the very least, this should make privacy advocates pause before
they back Kerry. He has some explaining to do. It's starting to look
like both major parties like to talk about privacy but don't have the
common decency to follow their own rhetoric.


http://www.rollcall.com/pub/49_87/news/4616-1.html
Kerry E-Mail Move Irks Privacy Experts
By Ethan Wallison
Roll Call Staff
March 4, 2004

Sen. John Kerry's (D-Mass.) presidential campaign used a controversial
marketing practice offered by one of the country's three credit
bureaus to collect additional information last year about people who,
according to the campaign, indicated that they would like to help the
candidate in the primaries and caucuses.

---according to Drudge:

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash4.htm

Kerry's campaign took volunteers information and matched it up with
data provided by at least one of the Big Three credit reporting bureaus
to skim additional information about volunteers.

Below is the text from Drudge:




Kerry Campaign Collected Info On Volunteers
Thu Mar 04 2004 10:53:35 ET

Sen. John Kerry's presidential campaign used a controversial marketing
practice offered by one of the country's three credit bureaus to
collect additional information last year about people who, according to
the campaign, indicated that they would like to help the candidate in
the primaries and caucuses.

ROLL CALL reports on Thursday: The contracts with Equifax Marketing
Services worth about $36,000 called for the company to find so-called
'appendages' in its massive consumer database. Appending is a practice
that involves plugging bits of information into databases in order to
collect e-mail addresses or flesh out consumer profiles. The practice
has been widely attacked by consumer advocates, who consider it
invasive.

Marketing experts believe Kerry's campaign is the first political
committee to make use of the append, a relatively recent innovation
that has emerged as retail commerce has increasingly moved online.

Developing....
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Mar 4, 2004, 03:21 PM
 
Well, we know Drudge is a very reliable source of reporting on Kerry, so this should be good.
Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them.

-- Frederick Douglass, 1857
     
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Mar 4, 2004, 03:36 PM
 
Originally posted by Nonsuch:
Well, we know Drudge is a very reliable source of reporting on Kerry, so this should be good.
yes, they've been sooooo right previously.

as I've said, I predicted as soon as the nomination looked sewn up, expect a flurry of character assassination bulk propaganda to start.

lessee.....Hanoi Jane, (real and faked photos), trumped up mistress charges, accusations of being a draft dodger, bringing up things out of context said by his wife in '93 and elsewhere, etc. etc.

The full court press is on, folks, and it won't be pretty.

oh, gee...looky, looky, First Zim now Vmarks. Who else will get drawn into being messengers for the message of negative advertising/character assassination?

Who else will continue the dropping of leaflets? Dubya has a large warchest. If he doesn't spend it on SOMETHING, he doesn't get to keep it.
     
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Mar 4, 2004, 04:04 PM
 
Lerk, my man, given your stance on Pointdexter & Co., I thought you'd be very interested in Kerry on this issue.

I'm sorry to see that isn't so.

After all, my stance on privacy and Pointdexter-ian plans is clear:

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...ia#post1493239
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Mar 4, 2004, 04:19 PM
 
Originally posted by Lerkfish:
oh, gee...looky, looky, First Zim now Vmarks. Who else will get drawn into being messengers for the message of negative advertising/character assassination?
Lerk being you are one of the main Bush character assassins in this forum, you get what you give.

Funny when the shoe is on the other foot you start hissing and honking.


ANYHOW... .

This reminds me of this web page.

Kerry Vs Kerry

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Mar 4, 2004, 04:20 PM
 
Originally posted by vmarks:
Lerk, my man, given your stance on Pointdexter & Co., I thought you'd be very interested in Kerry on this issue.

I'm sorry to see that isn't so.

After all, my stance on privacy and Pointdexter-ian plans is clear:

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...ia#post1493239
sorry to be confusing, but I'm responding to the medium (both timing, quantity and type), not the actual message.

in a marshall macluen sort of way.
     
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Mar 4, 2004, 05:48 PM
 
Originally posted by Lerkfish:
sorry to be confusing, but I'm responding to the medium (both timing, quantity and type), not the actual message.

in a marshall macluen sort of way.
Was I mistaken: Was the message not a topic you were interested in?
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Mar 4, 2004, 06:05 PM
 
Originally posted by vmarks:
Was I mistaken: Was the message not a topic you were interested in?
sigh...yes. again, reread my post. I'm referring to all sorts of things, not necesssarily the content of this thread. This thread was just the last entry in a whole host of things. My visceral reaction was to the source of the data, and the delivery system, not the data itself.

You're quoting Drudge. Drudge is part of the shock troops against whoever is in the barrel for the day as an enemy of Bush. When Dean is front runner...gee, we get loads of crap about Dean from Drudge, and then as soon as it appears Kerry is, gee we get loads of crap about Kerry. Most of it uncorroborated rumormongering.

Its about targeting, its about timing, its about agendas. Its about how ultimately transparent the propanganda mill is. Its about me just saying "I see this for what it is, and I'm calling it. I predicted it, and its coming about"
This is not meant to forestall this thread and sorry if it did that, but rather just commenting on the trend in general....a gestalt comment rather than a specific comment...

and thats....all I have to say about it. carry on with your thread.
     
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Mar 4, 2004, 06:39 PM
 
perhaps its best that i can't add you to my ignore list after all . good topic (since /me is a dues paying member of the eff), even if the drudge source is questionable. if true, it just shows that the vote is almighty.
     
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Mar 4, 2004, 07:04 PM
 
This guy not only voted for the Patriot act but stood on the senate floor before the vote and defended it. Does this surprise anyone?
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Mar 4, 2004, 07:29 PM
 
Originally posted by MacGorilla:
This guy not only voted for the Patriot act but stood on the senate floor before the vote and defended it. Does this surprise anyone?
The Patriot act was supported by all the spineless jerks in your congress and your 'president'.

I'd still like the DMCA **** out of the way before the Patriot act. The PA is much more b9.
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Mar 4, 2004, 08:18 PM
 
Originally posted by MacGorilla:
This guy not only voted for the Patriot act but stood on the senate floor before the vote and defended it. Does this surprise anyone?
It passed 99-1...Russ Feingold was the only dissenter.
     
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Mar 4, 2004, 08:43 PM
 
Originally posted by saranwarp:
It passed 99-1...Russ Feingold was the only dissenter.
Good. Someone had some sense.
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Mar 4, 2004, 09:11 PM
 
Originally posted by MacGorilla:
Good. Someone had some sense.
I think the point he's making is one I"ve made before: due to the political climate at that moment, there was no one opposing the amendment who later ran in the primary. Therefore, to use that as an excuse to dismiss any candidate would also dismiss all candidates.
     
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Mar 4, 2004, 09:38 PM
 
Originally posted by saranwarp:
It passed 99-1...Russ Feingold was the only dissenter.
How does one say chicken in American?
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Mar 4, 2004, 09:45 PM
 
Originally posted by Lerkfish:
Therefore, to use that as an excuse to dismiss any candidate would also dismiss all candidates.
Well that's a good start.
     
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