[Dakar V]

Originally Posted by Eug 

That's what happens. The dishwashers quit and do something else. So you get a whole bunch of immigrants doing crap jobs like this because the locals don't want to do it. However, the immigrants get paid crap, because the restaurant managers won't hire an ugly guy with a strong accent to wait tables.

It's the Circle, the Circle of Life

Isn't that why immigrants aren't stealing our jobs? A dishwasher is an unskilled job, and is paid as such. Should we be surprised overqualified people hate the job? Isn't what you described how the job market is supposed to work?

[IceEnclosure]

Doof, would you tip on a vacation to America? Please say yes.

[Doofy]

Yes I would Icy.

I don't agree with the concept at all (pay 'em a decent wage to start with, ffs) but when in Rome...

[Eug]

Originally Posted by IceEnclosure 

I think Dakar is hitting it spot on.

Dealing with people can suck. Dishes don't talk **** to you(though a chef will!). They don't snap their fingers at you. They don't bring your income down because they chose to pay you less(like a spiteful guest/customer could).

I find some waiters talk **** to dishwashers and busboys just as much as customers talk **** to waiters. And yes, they snap their fingers at them.

Dishwashing is completely mindless. Serving 40 people with 3 waiters and 4 courses with cake cutting and polished-glass wine service isn't quite. It's certainly not installing printers for rocket scientists, but it isn't quite mindless. At the very least, it requires personality.

Well, polished-glass wine service isn't diner stuff. I agree. Often times that requires real knowledge: What techniques are used for certain dishes, appropriately matched items, knowledge about wine, etc.

*oh, she's also a hair cutting person.(to keep it on topic)

Nice, but who is she?

P.S. I wish salons would include a small scalp massage with all shampoos, but they don't. I really don't understand why I can go to some cheap place in Chinatown and get a nice haircut for under $20 including shampoo, scalp massage, and blow dry, but if I go to a high-priced salon, they charge you $100 for the exact same thing... with no scalp massage... and still feel they deserve a 15% tip.

[IceEnclosure]

She's a coworker, that's where I work. That was yesterday in 30mph wind.

That's the only thing I miss about getting my hair cut in a salon, was getting shampoo'd by a hot female.

And true, the argument could go on for ever, with everyone thinking about a different "type" of restaurant in their mind, or forgetting that I'm talking about the 'States.

And of course I agree Doofy. I'm not out picketing for higher wages, but I do agree. And when in Rome

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by moonmonkey 

I have been chased out of a restaurant in China because the waitress thought I had left my money behind. Tipping in China does not happen, please don't anyone start.

So, what you're saying is, "Tipping is most definitely NOT a city in China"?

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by Eug 

And having done both, I think the wait staff in diners and low end restaurants think too much of their "skills" and too little of their kitchen staff brethren. I guarantee you that 80% of the waitresses I've dealt with wouldn't survive a week as a dishwasher.

Probably because it's a dirty, smelly, nasty job that requires you to be soaked for 8+ hours. It's not hard work, it's easier than waiting tables (I've done both in a high dollar establishment), but it's only appealing to those who have strong constitutions and little regard for appearance.

[Railroader]

Since the topic has changed to tipping [I think the haircut topic has played out], I usually tip about 15% for food or at bars I don't plan to return to.

But t places I regularly frequent, I tip about 30%. And at one bar we used to go to every Thursday night, my friends and I usually tipped 40-50%. We got THE best service, we got to sample new beers for free. We got "mistakes". Normally, when there weren't man people in the bar they'd close early, but even if it was two of us they'd stay open 'till 2:30am (which is the latest allowed by law). And one time, on my birthday, two of the waitress took me and a few friends out and paid for the whole night. And that night started around 1pm and lasted until 2am. That tab had to be +$500.

Tipping has its rewards. Remember, those waitstaff don't have 401Ks, health insurance, and often share their tips with busboys and bartenders.

[Eug]

Go figure. You give them more money, and they give you "free" drinks.

[design219]

So tonight I take the family to a favorite Mexican restaurant, and they are celebrating their 5th anniversary and have a Mariachi band playing. One of the band members had a little sign that says "tips." They played at our table and I felt obliged to give them a tip, but geez, I didn't ask them to play, and I didn't know they would be there, and I sure didn't know what's appropriate since there's no percent to calculate.

I gave them $5.

[Eug]

I can't stand musicians that play at your table when you don't want them to.

So, I try to avoid restaurants that have wandering minstrels. They're just too irritating.

[scaught]

Originally Posted by Eug 

Go figure. You give them more money, and they give you "free" drinks.

Alright. We get the point.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Eug 

Go figure. You give them more money, and they give you "free" drinks.

You get your drinks first, You get a better drink, You get a drink made special for you without having to ask, you get the waitress' attention sooner, you get their gratitude for a person who cares about other people, you get perks other customers don't get, you get preferential treatment and better seating, and oh yes, you get "free" food and drinks.

You also make someone feel better who usually gets treated like crap or a servant. Priceless.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by design219 

So tonight I take the family to a favorite Mexican restaurant, and they are celebrating their 5th anniversary and have a Mariachi band playing. One of the band members had a little sign that says "tips." They played at our table and I felt obliged to give them a tip, but geez, I didn't ask them to play, and I didn't know they would be there, and I sure didn't know what's appropriate since there's no percent to calculate.

I gave them $5.

Now these are people I do NOT tip. I made that mistake once. Tip them, and they'll never leave. Never again!

[Eug]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

You get your drinks first, You get a better drink, You get a drink made special for you without having to ask, you get the waitress' attention sooner, you get their gratitude for a person who cares about other people, you get perks other customers don't get, you get preferential treatment and better seating, and oh yes, you get "free" food and drinks.

You also make someone feel better who usually gets treated like crap or a servant. Priceless.

Personally, I'd rather just pay known prices for what I really want. If I go to a place that treats its customers like sh!t, then I go elsewhere. And it's not as if I usually want 5 extra drinks anyway.

Originally Posted by Railroader 

Now these are people I do NOT tip. I made that mistake once. Tip them, and they'll never leave. Never again!

I guess you don't really care how these people get treated after all.

Originally Posted by Dakar V 

It's the Circle, the Circle of Life

Isn't that why immigrants aren't stealing our jobs? A dishwasher is an unskilled job, and is paid as such. Should we be surprised overqualified people hate the job? Isn't what you described how the job market is supposed to work?

Are you really trying to suggest waiting tables is skilled labour?

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Eug 

Personally, I'd rather just pay known prices for what I really want. If I go to a place that treats its customers like sh!t, then I go elsewhere. And it's not as if I usually want 5 extra drinks anyway.

You're reading way too much into this. I usually frequent upscale places. Places that don't have bud-light on tap.

You know, there have been nights I paid for 2 drinks and got 5 free ones. I'll take em! Do you think mr.-strict-10%-tipper is going to get free drinks?

Originally Posted by Eug 

I guess you don't really care how these people get treated after all.

Apples and oranges.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

You're reading way too much into this. I usually frequent upscale places. Places that don't have bud-light on tap.

You know, there have been nights I paid for 2 drinks and got 5 free ones. I'll take em! Do you think mr.-strict-10%-tipper is going to get free drinks?

I've been to places like that too. I find them obnoxious. I prefer to go to places that treat all their (reasonable) customers well.

But then again, I don't frequent bars. If I'm going to be spending a good chunk of change, it will be at a nice restaurant. And if that nice restaurant can't give good service or gets annoyed with a reasonable tip, then I don't go back. Their loss.

As for drinks, if I want two drinks, I buy two drinks. I don't want seven.

Apples and oranges.

Not really.

[vmarks]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Yes I would Icy.

I don't agree with the concept at all (pay 'em a decent wage to start with, ffs) but when in Rome...

I agree - pay a decent wage to begin with.

And for the record, I've worked dishwasher, busboy, and waiter. It's been 12 years since I last did it, but I don't forget it.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Eug 

I've been to places like that too. I find them obnoxious. I prefer to go to places that treat all their (reasonable) customers well.

Originally Posted by Eug 

But then again, I don't frequent bars.

Originally Posted by Eug 

If I'm going to be spending a good chunk of change, it will be at a nice restaurant. And if that nice restaurant can't give good service or gets annoyed with a reasonable tip, then I don't go back. Their loss.

Originally Posted by Eug 

As for drinks, if I want two drinks, I buy two drinks. I don't want seven.

Originally Posted by Eug 

Not really.

You know, I had a reply all typed out, but in the end, I am not going to convince you of anything. I've had conversations with you before that went on and on and didn't get anywhere.

Good day.

[- - e r i k - -]

I paid $20 tonight and got a free beer to boot. My hairdresser will also do touch ups for free. All without ever tipping. Strange.

[IceEnclosure]

I know a few people that go here. A beer, a game of pool, and a haircut.

http://www.mankindformen.com/index.htm

[IceEnclosure]

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - - 

I paid $20 tonight and got a free beer to boot. My hairdresser will also do touch ups for free. All without ever tipping. Strange.

Strange? Or normal in Austrailia?

Would she appreciate a tip?

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - - 

I paid $20 tonight and got a free beer to boot. My hairdresser will also do touch ups for free. All without ever tipping. Strange.

I get my hair cut cheaper than that, including tip, and free touch ups. Strange.

Oh, and I get to call him/her a barber and keep my manhood intact.

[brassplayersrock²]

[osiris]

Oh yeah - well I get my haircut from a blind old man with Parkinson's disease who wields two rusty pieces of metal that may have once been scissors.
lol

[vmarks]

Originally Posted by osiris 

Oh yeah - well I get my haircut from a blind old man with Parkinson's disease who wields two rusty pieces of metal that may have once been scissors.
lol

You see the same barber as my father?

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

I get my hair cut cheaper than that, including tip, and free touch ups. Strange.

Oh, and I get to call him/her a barber and keep my manhood intact.

So, to reiterate; your barber touches you up for free?

[Laminar]

Better than a "hairdresser" doing it.

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

I get my hair cut cheaper than that, including tip, and free touch ups. Strange.

Oh, and I get to call him/her a barber and keep my manhood intact.

Comedy genius!

[scottiB]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

So, what you're saying is, "Tipping is most definitely NOT a city in China"?

That sign, old and yellow, was behind the bar at my favorite dive--and I'm sure others favorite dives.

[osiris]

Originally Posted by vmarks 

You see the same barber as my father?

Could be - my barber also uses a straight razor. Is your dad's face all cut up?

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

So, to reiterate; your barber touches you up for free?

My barber is female.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

So, to reiterate; your barber touches you up for free?

Well, more like rubs up against...

Originally Posted by Laminar

Better than a "hairdresser" doing it.

Indeed. Especially a male "hairdresser".

[design219]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

Well, more like rubs up against...

I have sex with mine.

But as I said in the OP, she's my wife.

[brassplayersrock²]

does she give a good blow when she's done cutting your hair?

[design219]

Originally Posted by brassplayersrock² 

does she give a good blow when she's done cutting your hair?

That would require a tip. I have to blow myself.

[Laminar]

I wish I was that flexible.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by design219 

That would require a tip.

Two inches or three?

[design219]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Two inches or three?

... ... ... ...

[IceEnclosure]

Originally Posted by design219 

That would require a tip. I have to blow myself.

A tip?? I'd give 'er the whole thing!

[Dakar V]

Originally Posted by Eug 

Are you really trying to suggest waiting tables is skilled labour?

I think the ability to deal with the human element well is a skill. A majority of the population could wait tables competently, but only a minority can do it well.

[Doofy]

Not beating the customers to a bloody pulp is a skill.

[Mrjinglesusa]

Back on topic: $16 + $5 tip.

[Cipher13]

Free; I do it myself.

0 all over, occasionally a 3 running down the middle. If I'm bored.

[IceEnclosure]

Originally Posted by Cipher13 

Free; I do it myself.

0 all over, occasionally a 3 running down the middle. If I'm bored.

I'm quite happy using the clip between 1 and 3 when I'm shaving my head.

[Dakar V]

Originally Posted by IceEnclosure 

I'm a #2 all over guy myself.

Soooooooo easy to misconstrue.

[IceEnclosure]

Originally Posted by Dakar V 

Soooooooo easy to misconstrue.

I knew it.

[Dakar V]

So glad I quoted it.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

$20 plus tip.

I just paid $30 for a haircut. I feel 50% better looking.

[nash1017]

$14+tip