[Buckaroo]

Al Gore is full of it. He dosen't even believe his own BS.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm

POWER: GORE MANSION USES 20X AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD; CONSUMPTION INCREASE AFTER 'TRUTH'
Mon Feb 26 2007 17:16:14 ET

The Tennessee Center for Policy Research, an independent, nonprofit and nonpartisan research organization committed to achieving a freer, more prosperous Tennessee through free market policy solutions, issued a press release late Monday:



Last night, Al Gore’s global-warming documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, collected an Oscar for best documentary feature, but the Tennessee Center for Policy Research has found that Gore deserves a gold statue for hypocrisy.

Gore’s mansion, [20-room, eight-bathroom] located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES).

In his documentary, the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption at home.

The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average.

Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh—guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore’s average monthly electric bill topped $1,359.

Since the release of An Inconvenient Truth, Gore’s energy consumption has increased from an average of 16,200 kWh per month in 2005, to 18,400 kWh per month in 2006.

Gore’s extravagant energy use does not stop at his electric bill. Natural gas bills for Gore’s mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 per month last year.

“As the spokesman of choice for the global warming movement, Al Gore has to be willing to walk to walk, not just talk the talk, when it comes to home energy use,” said Tennessee Center for Policy Research President Drew Johnson.

In total, Gore paid nearly $30,000 in combined electricity and natural gas bills for his Nashville estate in 2006.

For Further Information, Contact:
Nicole Williams, (615) 383-6431
[email protected]

[Sky Captain]

Do as I say, not as I do.

[Atomic Rooster]

Copy, paste and run.

Ps...already a thread.

[Jawbone54]

Al Gore is an excellent opportunist. He lost the 2000 elections (or did he? *cue ridiculous conspiracy music*), and was shunned by the Democratic Party almost immediately. He found his niche, ran with it, and now he's a superstar. Unfortunately, the rules that he so adamantly preaches don't apply to him.

Gore and the environment = Ted Haggard and homosexuality

[ironknee]

best. documentary.

rock on al

[Buckaroo]

Right after I posted, I had to go and pick up my vehicle from service. I'm back now.

Originally Posted by Atomic Rooster 

Copy, paste and run.

Ps...already a thread.

[Buckaroo]

His documentary is all lies. And he proves it every day in his home.

Originally Posted by ironknee 

best. documentary.

rock on al

[tie]

I heard that Gore also flies between destinations!!! Anybody who believes in global warming should have to walk or bike everywhere -- no exceptions. And anybody who thinks we should still be in Iraq should have to go to Iraq themselves.

[Buckaroo]

He could atleast fly commercial airlines instead of private jumbo jet.

Originally Posted by tie 

I heard that Gore also flies between destinations!!! Anybody who believes in global warming should have to walk or bike everywhere -- no exceptions. And anybody who thinks we should still be in Iraq should have to go to Iraq themselves.

[BRussell]

Dontcha love the equation here? Unless you're wealthy, you're a nobody with no influence. But if you're wealthy enough to have any influence in our system, you're a hypocrite if you advocate liberal policies.

And Gore's primary arguments aren't political, they're scientific. The fact is, Gore's film is overwhelmingly supported by the evidence, and his critics' positions are not. The fact that the family home he inherited is big has no bearing whatsoever on that.

[nonhuman]

Way to do your research.

People have been trying to make that claim stick for months now, and it's been thoroughly debunked.

[Buckaroo]

First of all there is NOTHING Scientific about the garbage that he presented. It was 1000% lies. He spoke nothing but LIES, and he lives that way. If he believed any of his BS, then he would have cut the power to his house and lived in the dark. He dosen't believe any of it, so he lives on the hog. He consumes more electricity then 10 regular families.

He is a hypocryt of the worst kind. The lieing kind.

Originally Posted by BRussell 

Dontcha love the equation here? Unless you're wealthy, you're a nobody with no influence. But if you're wealthy enough to have any influence in our system, you're a hypocrite if you advocate liberal policies.

And Gore's primary arguments aren't political, they're scientific. The fact is, Gore's film is overwhelmingly supported by the evidence, and his critics' positions are not. The fact that the family home he inherited is big has no bearing whatsoever on that.

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by Buckaroo 

First of all there is NOTHING Scientific about the garbage that he presented. It was 1000% lies. He spoke nothing but LIES, and he lives that way. If he believed any of his BS, then he would have cut the power to his house and lived in the dark. He dosen't believe any of it, so he lives on the hog. He consumes more electricity then 10 regular families.

He is a hypocryt of the worst kind. The lieing kind.

He buys electricity for his house from 100% renewable sources and has had solar panels installed. He uses CFL lights and efficient appliances. For everything else he buys carbon offsets and keeps his family operating at 100% carbon neutral status.

Yeah. Some hypocrite...

[OldManMac]

Of course, there is no political motivation behind smearing Gore is there? And there certainly isn't any sense in investigating where this news release came from, is there? Of course not, especially if it doesn't conveniently fit into your preconceived notions. After all, you don't want to know that Gore has cut his energy use on the house, and purchases green credits to offset his carbon use. Naw, that wouldn't serve any purpose; then you wouldn't have any reason to smear him, and it's always easier to just pick something and go with it if it fits your needs.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-j...a_b_42171.html

[Atomic Rooster]

Originally Posted by nonhuman 

He buys electricity for his house from 100% renewable sources and has had solar panels installed. He uses CFL lights and efficient appliances. For everything else he buys carbon offsets and keeps his family operating at 100% carbon neutral status.

Yeah. Some hypocrite...

I was wondering how his electrical bill was so low!




I wonder how much Shrubby pays at his make believe ranch?

[stupendousman]

Originally Posted by nonhuman 

He buys electricity for his house from 100% renewable sources and has had solar panels installed. He uses CFL lights and efficient appliances. For everything else he buys carbon offsets and keeps his family operating at 100% carbon neutral status.

Yeah. Some hypocrite...

And yet STILL consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year. No wonder the guy is into this stuff so heavily...he's a resource hog and feels dirty about it and wants everyone else to do the same. If everyone else doesn't start altering their lifestyles, then AL WILL HAVE TO FORCE TO LIVE LIKE US THE REST OF US and do without the mansion, jets, etc.

It's expensive to jump through all those hoops and STILL be an energy glutton living life on the hog. Yes, he could be doing worse, but he has to do NOTHING himself (he has his "people" do the heavy lifting) and sacrifice nothing himself (he's a millionaire who has really earned none of the excesses of cash that have been given to him in order for him to be an energy hoarder) and still lives the high energy consuming high-life.

In other words...we should help Al so he doesn't further have to sacrifice his extravagant lifestyle.

Boo-f-ing hoo on AL.

Hypocrite indeed.

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by stupendousman 

And yet STILL consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year. No wonder the guy is into this stuff so heavily...he's a resource hog and feels dirty about it and wants everyone else to do the same. If everyone else doesn't start altering their lifestyles, then AL WILL HAVE TO FORCE TO LIVE LIKE US THE REST OF US and do without the mansion, jets, etc.

It's expensive to jump through all those hoops and STILL be an energy glutton living life on the hog. Yes, he could be doing worse, but he has to do NOTHING himself (he has his "people" do the heavy lifting) and sacrifice nothing himself (he's a millionaire who has really earned none of the excesses of cash that have been given to him in order for him to be an energy hoarder) and still lives the high energy consuming high-life.

In other words...we should help Al so he doesn't further have to sacrifice his extravagant lifestyle.

Boo-f-ing hoo on AL.

Hypocrite indeed.

Um, wtf? He's have zero environmental impact. Who cares if he consumes a lot of power, it's zero impact power. He's proving exactly that just because you're being environmentally responsible doesn't mean you have to give up your luxurious lifestyle. Isn't that one of the main complaints conservatives level against environmental movements?

[stupendousman]

Originally Posted by nonhuman 

Um, wtf? He's have zero environmental impact. Who cares if he consumes a lot of power, it's zero impact power.

Could you tell what you need to do in order purchase this "zero environmental impact" energy from Nashville Electric Service (NES)? Does it cost extra? Does it require special cables hooked to your house?

Or, is this some kind of feel good scam where rich folks pay double for their power hog-age, go ahead and pollute the environment, but pay cash to some dubious agency which funds more expensive and less productive forms of energy so that they don't really have to sacrifice anything substantially? Someone the "little people" wouldn't be able to afford to do.

[ShortcutToMoncton]

Jebus. There's simply no bottom to the levels of shame they'll endure, is there? Debunk after debunk after debunk....

greg

[hyteckit]

Clean energy? Solar energy? Energy to power his electric vehicle? Of course cutting down on energy use is a good thing.

So Al Gore is like a rich Christian? Greed in keeping wealth and fail to help out the poor or needy? Who needs to be a millionaire? No Christian should be a millionaire. Too many poor ppl in the world and need help.

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by Buckaroo 

His documentary is all lies. And he proves it every day in his home.

best. documentary.

rock on al

[goMac]

Oh god. Here we go again.

For the last time. Gore is Carbon neutral. Whatever he generates, he pays off other companies not to generate. He eats his own dogfood.

I expect this will be the last time we see another topic about "OMG Gore DRIVES TO MCDONALDS".

[tie]

Originally Posted by stupendousman 

And yet STILL consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year. No wonder the guy is into this stuff so heavily...he's a resource hog and feels dirty about it and wants everyone else to do the same. If everyone else doesn't start altering their lifestyles, then AL WILL HAVE TO FORCE TO LIVE LIKE US THE REST OF US and do without the mansion, jets, etc.

I think it's hilarious how you guys love to accuse environmentalists of wanting to take away your SUVs and all your freedoms... And then you turn around and try to do exactly the same thing. Who is the hypocrite?

Answer: You. Al Gore doesn't have to live like the rest of us just because you anti-environmental socialists are jealous of him.

If Gore is truly carbon neutral, then he's better than you.

[stupendousman]

Originally Posted by tie 

I think it's hilarious how you guys love to accuse environmentalists of wanting to take away your SUVs and all your freedoms... And then you turn around and try to do exactly the same thing. Who is the hypocrite?

I don't WANT anyone to do anything. Expecting people to live by their own standards is an example of being a hypocrite? He uses 12X as much power as the average person, which is 100% unnecessary. In other words, he pollutes AT LEAST 12X as much as the average person...probably more when you figure in all the air travel he does and big bulky SUV driving he engages in, then has the balls to preach to others just because he has the cash to afford not to have to sacrifice EVEN AN OUNCE because he's a rich inheritor of wealth. If things are as bad as he says, he should be selling his home for a smaller dwelling, and cutting his energy use instead of just paying more for it. If he THEN wants to invest in ways to help clean up the environment, more power to him.

Hypocrite? INDEED!

[stupendousman]

Originally Posted by goMac 

Oh god. Here we go again.

For the last time. Gore is Carbon neutral. Whatever he generates, he pays off other companies not to generate. He eats his own dogfood.

So you're free to pollute in excess of what is necessary, as long as you have the cash to pay off the right "green friendly" companies - something us "little people" (unlike Gore and Dicaprio) would have a hard time doing without sacrifice?

Again...do you buy that "carbon neutral" power that doesn't pollute and doesn't contribute to global warming? Do you need a special adapter, or meter for the side of your house? Does it require a filter? Is there any way those of us on limited budgets (unlike Al) can apply for reduced cost "carbon neutral" power so we too can get it without sacfrice? Otherwise, it's pretty clear Al isn't practicing what he preaches.

[stupendousman]

OH..and here's a GREAT quote from USA TODAY that shows what a complete and utter jackass/hypocrite Al Gore is, if you hadn't already known.

"But according to public records, there is no evidence that Gore has signed up to use green energy in either of his large residences. When contacted Wednesday, Gore's office confirmed as much but said the Gores were looking into making the switch at both homes. Talk about inconvenient truths."

Gore isn't quite as green as he's led the world to believe - USATODAY.com

He's just now "looking into" doing what he's been preaching for years for others to do? Just like it killed him to see a relative die from "big tobacco, all the while making loads of cash selling tobacco....all the while making loads of cash from a zinc mine.

Really...this guy is a walking joke!

[osiris]

Too bad the rightist/fascists are incapable of applying the same level of criticism to their holy black lord president.

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by osiris 

Too bad the rightist/fascists are incapable of applying the same level of criticism to their holy black lord president.

So how is that different from hating GWB and yet defending people like Al Gore?

[osiris]

Originally Posted by smacintush 

So how is that different from hating GWB and yet defending people like Al Gore?

I'm not defending or hating anyone, just commenting on what I see in these forums (inspired by this thread)

[goMac]

Originally Posted by stupendousman 

So you're free to pollute in excess of what is necessary, as long as you have the cash to pay off the right "green friendly" companies - something us "little people" (unlike Gore and Dicaprio) would have a hard time doing without sacrifice?

Ok, so how is a poor person going to be able to afford to generate as much polution as Gore? Does the average joe take as many plain trips as Gore? Does the average joe have a mansion. Generally, if you can afford to make the polution, you can afford to make yourself carbon neutral.

Originally Posted by stupendousman 

Again...do you buy that "carbon neutral" power that doesn't pollute and doesn't contribute to global warming? Do you need a special adapter, or meter for the side of your house? Does it require a filter? Is there any way those of us on limited budgets (unlike Al) can apply for reduced cost "carbon neutral" power so we too can get it without sacfrice? Otherwise, it's pretty clear Al isn't practicing what he preaches.

Some power companies offer it. Depends on your power company. Basically it means the power he is using comes from solar, wind, and hydraulic power. No coal or oil power.

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by stupendousman 

Again...do you buy that "carbon neutral" power that doesn't pollute and doesn't contribute to global warming? Do you need a special adapter, or meter for the side of your house? Does it require a filter? Is there any way those of us on limited budgets (unlike Al) can apply for reduced cost "carbon neutral" power so we too can get it without sacfrice? Otherwise, it's pretty clear Al isn't practicing what he preaches.

Umm, the idea of a market for purchasing pollution credits is something that has been championed by Big Business and given mild approval by the Bush Administration. These are not Leftie ideals; This is a way for large corporations to claim to be green without doing any of the hard work necessary to make their businesses actually become green. For a big energy producer it is easier, and MUCH more profitable, to pay someone else for their surplus pollution credits than to actually spend the money to make their energy plants less polluting.

Right now, the market for buyers of pollution credits is much bigger than the market for sellers of pollution credits--We have more net polluters. So, large corporations and industries can make the claim they are trying to do the right thing without actually having to do anything to make their businesses less polluting.

As for individuals, many major electric utilities now offer their customers a chance to buy electricity from a non-polluting source. It costs much more but for individuals who choose to do so, the option exists. Why don't you talk to your local electric utility and ask them about this--It is usually referred to within the electric industry as "supplier diversity"--and see if you can have that option. I did it when I lived in DC and am looking into it here in NYC.

[BRussell]

Originally Posted by Buckaroo 

First of all there is NOTHING Scientific about the garbage that he presented. It was 1000% lies. He spoke nothing but LIES, and he lives that way. If he believed any of his BS, then he would have cut the power to his house and lived in the dark. He dosen't believe any of it, so he lives on the hog. He consumes more electricity then 10 regular families.

He is a hypocryt of the worst kind. The lieing kind.

I think you, a guy on the internet, could be even more successful in debating the hundreds of scientists publishing in peer-reviewed journals, if only you used EVEN MORE CAPS, if you used 10,000% rather than just 1,000% when referring to their lies, and misspelled even more words. Good luck with that. I'm sure you'll make a big name for yourself in science.

[stupendousman]

Originally Posted by goMac 

Ok, so how is a poor person going to be able to afford to generate as much polution as Gore?

They can't. That's the point. Lots can't afford to pay the energy bills they currently have, no less pay into some kind of feel good "credit" scheme to allow them to pollute to their hearts content in their community without sacrifice. They are being told that they aren't doing enough and sacrificing enough to save the planet, but that Al Gore doesn't have to sacrifice jack and he can keep up with his high-pollutin' ways just because he has the cash to pay into some kind of environmental ponzi scheme.

Some power companies offer it. Depends on your power company. Basically it means the power he is using comes from solar, wind, and hydraulic power. No coal or oil power.

USA Today (at least the time of the printing) says that Gore uses mainly good ole' fashioned coal produced energy - at 12 times the average rate. This from the guy who for the past 15 years has preached sacrifice and frugality when it comes to resources.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by stupendousman 

They can't. That's the point. Lots can't afford to pay the energy bills they currently have, no less pay into some kind of feel good "credit" scheme to allow them to pollute to their hearts content in their community without sacrifice. They are being told that they aren't doing enough and sacrificing enough to save the planet, but that Al Gore doesn't have to sacrifice jack and he can keep up with his high-pollutin' ways just because he has the cash to pay into some kind of environmental ponzi scheme.

Honestly, if someone can't afford to pay their power bills in the first place, do you think they're really causing enough polution to be a big concern right now?

[sek929]

Originally Posted by tie 

If Gore is truly carbon neutral, then he's better than you.

Quoted for emphasis.

Also, saying that "A Convenient Truth" is 100% lies is.... well it's just...retardedly ironic...yeah, that's what it is.

[OldManMac]

Originally Posted by BRussell 

I think you, a guy on the internet, could be even more successful in debating the hundreds of scientists publishing in peer-reviewed journals, if only you used EVEN MORE CAPS, if you used 10,000% rather than just 1,000% when referring to their lies, and misspelled even more words. Good luck with that. I'm sure you'll make a big name for yourself in science.

Everybody's an expert in everything. I mean, it's so.............obvious.

[ironknee]

sounds like: why should i go green if nasa isn't going green?

reminds me of: as long as others are fighting in iraq, i support the war...

[Uncle Skeleton]

Well that's a total non-sequitor, but what's wrong with it? You make out like anyone with any intelligence should be jumping up to "go green" ASAP, but the guys at NASA aren't doing it...aren't they supposed to be pretty smart?

[Buckaroo]

I need to reword my response. Later.

Originally Posted by goMac 

Oh god. Here we go again.

For the last time. Gore is Carbon neutral. Whatever he generates, he pays off other companies not to generate. He eats his own dogfood.

I expect this will be the last time we see another topic about "OMG Gore DRIVES TO MCDONALDS".

[Buckaroo]

Originally Posted by BRussell 

I think you, a guy on the internet, could be even more successful in debating the hundreds of scientists publishing in peer-reviewed journals, if only you used EVEN MORE CAPS, if you used 10,000% rather than just 1,000% when referring to their lies, and misspelled even more words. Good luck with that. I'm sure you'll make a big name for yourself in science.

Ok, so I misspelled three words. I was never a good speller, and one of those was a typo.

doesn’t hypocrite lying

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by tie 

If Gore is truly carbon neutral, then he's better than you.

This is quite a statement…

I don't think I have seen anyone provide any proof that counters the accusations against Gore, and no "Al Gore and his cronies say so" does NOT count".

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by smacintush 

This is quite a statement…

I don't think I have seen anyone provide any proof that counters the accusations against Gore, and no "Al Gore and his cronies say so" does NOT count".

However I would say that Al Gore and his cronies are no more or less credible than Drudge. So let's see some proof either way.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by smacintush 

I don't think I have seen anyone provide any proof that counters the accusations against Gore, and no "Al Gore and his cronies say so" does NOT count".

Yeah.... I haven't seen any proof that supports the accusations against Gore...

[tie]

smacintush, that's why I said "truly," as a qualification. I don't know myself. I do know that not all "carbon neutral" credits are the same. They are not regulated; some places selling these credits may be genuine, while others may be scams. I imagine Gore has done his research, since his film certainly showed good research -- but I don't really know.

In any case, my statement stands. I strongly disagree with socialists like stupendousman. Gore can't spend his money because "lots can't afford to pay the energy bills they currently have"? Boo hoo.

[smacintush]

There are two articles posted that point to public records and one claims that Gore's people don't even deny anything.

That may not be proof of anything but it's more than anyone has given in response.

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by tie 

smacintush, that's why I said "truly," as a qualification. I don't know myself. I do know that not all "carbon neutral" credits are the same. They are not regulated; some places selling these credits may be genuine, while others may be scams. I imagine Gore has done his research, since his film certainly showed good research -- but I don't really know.

I wasn't taken by a claim that he might be carbon neutral, though that is quite a ridiculous claim, I was taken by the statement that it would make him better than someone else.

[BRussell]

Originally Posted by smacintush 

There are two articles posted that point to public records and one claims that Gore's people don't even deny anything.

That may not be proof of anything but it's more than anyone has given in response.

He has consistently claimed that he purchases environmental offsets. It's really pretty easy to do and not even very expensive. You can calculate your output here, and then it shows you how to neutralize it. I calculated mine and it was under $4/month through that website.

Yeah, Gore could be just bald-face lying when he claims that he purchases offsets. As far as I know, he hasn't publicized his records on it, if there even are any.

Look, I don't think anyone cares if people hold Gore's feet to the fire. He should personally set an example for the kind of lifestyle that he's encouraging others to have, and he claims that he is doing so. But that isn't really the argument being made here, is it. This is just another vehicle to argue that global warming is a big hoax, a liberal conspiracy, with no scientific evidence. It's exactly what creationists claim about evolution, and has exactly the same truth value.

[:dragonflypro:]

Originally Posted by goMac 

Oh god. Here we go again.

For the last time. Gore is Carbon neutral. Whatever he generates, he pays off other companies not to generate. He eats his own dogfood.

The thing is is that this is ultimately a 'straw hat' argument.

This is a poor excuse, the environmental activists version of a tax write-off. It's fancy numbers.

At some point we all have to face the reality. You can't plant 'offset mango trees' and buy 'carbon footprint real estate.' There has either got to be a 'real' alternative or everything is just useless platitudes and dogma.

Wind and a Prius isn't gonna do it. Predisposition needs to be set aside and a workable solution needs to be found… and a lot of it makes great over-all business sense, like nuclear power replacing coal and industrial fossils.

Cars have a ways to go, but on the global scale automotive emissions and a very small percentage. And, hybrid cars are pointless as long as it takes a coal fired plant to make the electricity.

I digress.

Buying energy offset has created a 'green' commodity and there is only so much of it. Prices for it will probably quickly rise as those who want to save face and 'go green' will either pay it or be priced out. It really is pretty stupid when you think about it.

[BRussell]

Originally Posted by KarlG 

Everybody's an expert in everything. I mean, it's so.............obvious.

Sure, a couple of conservatives on the internet can disprove all the research that's been done for decades by people who are trained in the area. I swear, conservatism is the new post-modernist relativism. There is no truth for them, it's all just how you can spin something, whether it's creationism or global warming or WMD intelligence or "tax cuts pay for themselves." Ideology always trumps facts and logic. It's quite frightening because, like it or not, the parties/ideologies balance each other, and when one side just blatantly ignores facts and logic, it's bound to skew the debate and the public perception of these issues.

[goMac]

Gore's camp officially responds:

CNN.com - CNN Political Ticker

"But a spokesman for Gore quickly fired back Monday night, claiming, "The Gore's purchase all of their power through the local Green Powerswitch program -- it is 100 percent renewable power."

"In addition, they are in the midst of a renovation which includes installing solar panels on their home, which will enable them to use less power," Gore's spokeswoman Kalee Kreider said in a statement."

Keep whining conservatives. Won't win you any Oscars.