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Originally Posted by Helmling 
You really believe we can liberate 10% of the sequestered carbon from beneath the earth, wipe out huge swaths of the planet's forest cover, exterminate a large percentage of his oceanic autotrophs, and unsettle the planet's natural methane balance without seeing some impact?.
No affect what so ever. Deal with facts, not your whimsy BS.
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No affect what so ever. Deal with facts, not your whimsy BS.
Uhhh...what he just said in your quote, are facts. That's what we're doing.
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Originally Posted by Helmling
Stop stealing Colbert's schtick.
Colbert would have already decided a victor and would be in full support of his pick, and his pick would be whatever feels right at the time.
He also thinks that Global Warming exists because the market has spoken in support of Al Gore's movie.
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Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton
Uhhh...what he just said in your quote, are facts. That's what we're doing.
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That's not what Buckaroo was feeling that day though!
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Originally Posted by Chongo
1st article: Doesn't understand the basic fundamentals of global climate change. The rightwing media likes to hold onto the "global warming" phrase so they can poke fun out of it whenever there's a cooling trend. Because microclimates are so diverse, it is not entirely clear how a general warming of the sea will affect (if at all) all microclimates. There are a few glaciers that are gaining in size, but overall they are all shrinking. She's also under the impression that just because there were higher levels of CO2 2 billion years ago, that it's a good idea to have high levels of CO2 now.
2nd article: Has about as a qualified opinion on climatology as Shaquille O'neill.
3rd article: People love to quote that Nature article, but completely omit the opening paragraph and its mention on microclimates. You can read an excerpt of the opening journal here: Antarctic climate cooling and terrestrial ecosystem response : Article : Nature As usual, people take it out of context and make an ass out of themselves.
4th article: Stopped reading when they referenced the "Oregon Institute" "petition." You have zero credibility if you even mention that crap.
5th article: Doesn't argue against human intervention. It is just showing that there are other variables contributing to the change in global temperature. Dr. William Gray even concedes to the possibility, but his main contribution and concern is that his studies show there are other contributing factors. He also doesn't argue against the planet warming in general, but posits that many of the factors are probably naturally occurring.
6th article: Members are retired executives from mining, engineering, and construction. They outline "lies" about global climate change, but doesn't list counterpoints or data to backup their claims.
7th article: Conservative news group. That's like asking Dr. Laura's opinion on gay marriages.
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Here is some News about the Ice caps.
Icecap note: In the Northern Hemisphere, the ice and snow cover have recovered to within 1% (one snowstorm) of normal with the official start of winter still more than 12 days away
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Link doesn't seem to work. Got another?
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Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton
Link doesn't seem to work. Got another?
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They must have been overwhelmed by all the hits. Try again tomorrow.
It appeared on Drudgereport.com earlier today. Drudge removed it since it has locked up.
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Where do you guys drudge up these sites anyway? Are you just Googling them for debate fodder, or are they actually a part of your regular reading material?
These "look what I Googled!" sort of threads rarely go anywhere... I think it can be safely said that you can find somebody on the internet that believes just about anything thanks to Google. Years ago, we may not have heard of the Westboro (sp?!) Baptist nut cases...
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Originally Posted by besson3c
Where do you guys drudge up these sites anyway? Are you just Googling them for debate fodder, or are they actually a part of your regular reading material?
These "look what I Googled!" sort of threads rarely go anywhere... I think it can be safely said that you can find somebody on the internet that believes just about anything thanks to Google. Years ago, we may not have heard of the Westboro (sp?!) Baptist nut cases...
DRUDGE REPORT 2008®
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Originally Posted by Buckaroo
Here is some News about the Ice caps.
Icecap note: In the Northern Hemisphere, the ice and snow cover have recovered to within 1% (one snowstorm) of normal with the official start of winter still more than 12 days away
ICECAP
Obviously the site isn't working. But a couple questions based on what you wrote and purportedly may be contained in the link:
First, what is normal?
Based on that graph, normal looks like we're heading towards zero ice in about a century's time (based on annual). Pay no mind to the fact that the summer coverage has dropped (5.5/8) 31% in the past year alone. But it should be fine, because it's simply normal. What are we looking at for next summer? Only a 60% decrease in two years? Heh, there is a trend and we're not deviating from that trend. Nothing to see here, really...
Secondly, when is one storm 1% of a winter? It's not a winter unless you've had one hundred snowfalls?
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Originally Posted by Buckaroo
I don't read or know too much about Drudge Report, but isn't it a site that is commonly criticized in here?
Just wanting to make a mental note of this in case you call somebody on citing a Drudge Report story in the future...
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The last graph was just for aerial extent. Here is a graph showing thickness:
Ron Lindsay's Home Page
It should be fairly common knowledge that as the the three-axes (height, width, depth) of the Arctic sea ice decrease, the surface area-to-volume ratio only increases, leading to increased melting.
But then again, it wouldn't be normal if we didn't loose all the Arctic ocean sea ice in the next 30-40 years...
Here's another view on the recent aerial extent of the sea ice:
SOTC: Sea Ice
Extent comparisons: This graph compares 5-day running means for Arctic sea ice extent (area of ocean with ice concentration of at least 15 percent) for the long-term mean (1979-2000), the previous record low (2005) and the record low (2007). Although the summer of 2007 began with slightly greater ice extent than in 2005, rapid melting commenced in late June. During a two-week period in late June and early July 2007, sea ice declined by an area roughly equal to the size of Kansas each day. Sea ice extent continued its steady decline through mid-September, 2007. Image provided by National Snow and Ice Data Center, University of Colorado, Boulder.
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Originally Posted by besson3c
These "look what I Googled!" sort of threads rarely go anywhere... I think it can be safely said that you can find somebody on the internet that believes just about anything thanks to Google. Years ago, we may not have heard of the Westboro (sp?!) Baptist nut cases...
One thing you may have noticed ten pages ago is that these guys don't read the articles they post and never can defend them. But if you question them, they'll go ahead and google up another ten articles for you (or maybe they find it on some website for brainless Republican zombies who can't think for themselves, what do I know?  ). Buckaroo started that and now Chongo is keeping the faith.
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It will depart at 20 minutes to 5.
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Originally Posted by besson3c
These "look what I Googled!" sort of threads rarely go anywhere...
Wait wait wait. Are you complaining because this thread is too short?
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Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton
Wait wait wait. Are you complaining because this thread is too short?
By "anywhere" I don't mean discussion mileage, I mean actual productive directions.
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To someone advocating "wait and see," a 24 page thread that results in indecision is quite productive.
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Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To someone advocating "wait and see," a 24 page thread that results in indecision is quite productive.
Well, when you discard all of the pages of this thread disecting Al Gore productive conversation comes and goes, but I do think resorting to Googling random articles as debate rhetoric is not really productive, because we could do this until the end of time. There is no shortage of opinion out there.
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That site is now working.
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Mr. fly all over the world and polute:
Al Gore savaged the US government’s “obstructing” attitude and urged delegates at the UN conference on climate change to ignore Washington if necessary to pursue the “moral imperative” of a new global regime.
FT.com / In depth - Gore hits at US over climate change
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Good for Gore!
I would be interested in learning about how the US, Canada, Japan, and Saudi Arabia have been blocking progress. This article only alluded to this.
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Yeah, lets hurry up and ruin our economy based on assumptions from a loser.
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Logic, BadKosh...
Please substantiate your claims using logic, not emotions.
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Originally Posted by BadKosh
Yeah, lets hurry up and ruin our economy based on assumptions from a loser.
Stop talking about WMDs, this thread is about climate change!
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Originally Posted by BadKosh
Yeah, lets hurry up and ruin our economy based on assumptions from a loser.
I would bet that "loser" knows far more about the subject than you do.
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Gore is the one with the assumptions.
He is also a loser.
Obviously, you seem to want to pay a guilt tax for what you think YOU DID to the environment.
When they actually make the link, maybe I'll care. Too many lefty ideas and concepts are generated from guilt as a driving emotion-everything from Affirmative action, to save the whales, and now Global warming. Show me details going back a million years that prove global warming (CLIMATE) not weather abberations and natural changes from changes in the jet streams. a few decades doesn't prove anything.
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Logic BadKosh, logic. Your second paragraph was sort of okay, although you conveniently discounted the counter arguments that have been made numerous times. Your first paragraph did not state a logical case as to why Gore is allegedly a loser. We all know your emotional feelings on the matter.
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That's obviously not the definition of "loser" that was intended or implied. The idea that he lost the election (although this is debatable) is not really relevant in the validity of his environmental positions, is it?
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Hey, in before page 271 lock.
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Originally Posted by besson3c
That's obviously not the definition of "loser" that was intended or implied. The idea that he lost the election (although this is debatable) is not really relevant in the validity of his environmental positions, is it?
Actually it IS. Does time change the fact he lost?
LOGIC? Get a better philosophy.
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...wait. Saving the whale species is a not something we want to be doing?
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Originally Posted by BadKosh
Actually it IS. Does time change the fact he lost?
LOGIC? Get a better philosophy.
Note to self: pushes for logic sometimes yield childish, nonsensical results.
If he won the election, would all of his environmental positions be correct?
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The presidential election has zero to do with the correctness of his environmental positions. But by definition the presidential election of 2000 makes him a loser.
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The point is that the election results are irrelevant to this discussion.
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Ohhhh! The title makes sense now. It's hypocritical of Gore to win the nobel prize and the oscar, because he's a loser on account of the presidential election. That scoundrel!
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The moral of the story: people tend to grasp at straws when they become intellectually lazy.
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I wasn't intellectually lazy, I just didn't get it until now
Stop being so serious, besson, you're going to pull something.
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My name is "besson3c" Uncle Skeleton. I'll thank you to address me by my proper name.
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Sorry champ, you're wrong about that, unless of course you win the next presidential election. You don't get to be right unless you win.
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And all those opinions become fact?
With the last several decades of so of Nobel prizes and Oscar being heavily slanted to the lefties, and not for the actual talent and skills involved in making the movies or actual contributions to the world, neither 'award' is anything but a form of liberal flag waving to one of their own.
Is hasn't been until the conservatives and true eco-types pounded Gore about his energy sucking mansion and lifestyle that he actually did anything about it. He hadn't displayed that he got it about his supposed positions on the environment until just the last few months. Just because he made all those energy saving changes at his mansion, still doesn't PROVE he gets it, just that some corporations who stand to make money on his cause put the stuff in for him. Politics as usual.
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Haha! No, winning or losing unrelated popularity contests doesn't make your opinions true or false, sport. That was your claim, remember? I was just having a little fun at your expense. It's cute that you forgot though. Fantastic.
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Can we return to what Al Gore has actually been saying rather than what Al Gore is or isn't? Several other pages have been devoted to putting Gore under a microscope, this was by far the most boring part of this thread.
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Whoa, longest political thread ever. Gives the hot babes picture thread a run for its money.
Need more hot politician pics.
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Bush Tax Cuts == Job Killer
June 2001: 132,047,000 employed
June 2003: 129,839,000 employed
2.21 million jobs were LOST after 2 years of Bush Tax Cuts.
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Originally Posted by hyteckit
Whoa, longest political thread ever. Gives the hot babes picture thread a run for its money.
Need more hot politician pics.
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Bush Tax Cuts == Job Killer
June 2001: 132,047,000 employed
June 2003: 129,839,000 employed
2.21 million jobs were LOST after 2 years of Bush Tax Cuts.
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