[besson3c]

Okay, Shaddim is not Abe, how about the rest of you guys?

[Uncle Skeleton]

"PaperNotes" isn't abe, it's "AberdeenWriter." Duh.

[goMac]

I admit it. I'm PaperNotes. I enjoy arguing with myself.

[PaperNotes]

Loony freetard. Dear Leader is disappointed in you.

[PaperNotes]

Originally Posted by goMac 

I admit it. I'm PaperNotes. I enjoy arguing with myself.

Dear Leader is proud of your Change! Normally you're playing with yourself!

[PaperNotes]

Originally Posted by goMac 

Yeah, lets compare a spaceship that hasn't launched yet to one that's had a pretty decent track record for the last 20 years.

The purpose of that example was to highlight the bureaucratic arrogance that led to two disasters that could have been avoided. Penn and Teller did a good episode on NASA which argued that private companies could do a much better job:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HUbogc801OA

A very simple and perfect example of how private enterprise completely outperforms government enterprise can be done by comparing the productivity and innovations of two groups of nations.

Group A would be nations were corporations, private investment and individual achievement took precedence over government funding and interference. (Britain, USA, Germany, Japan, etc)

Group B would be nations where a highly bureaucratic apparatchik took control of most or all of industry for a long time, until the opening up of free trade in the 90s. (The Soviet Union, India, Spain, etc)

Which group is more productive and makes faster larger social and technological advances?

Don't tell Dear Leader what we are talking about. The One will be angered by it.

[PaperNotes]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=c3_95F5e-Ac

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by goMac 

Yeah, lets compare a spaceship that hasn't launched yet to one that's had a pretty decent track record for the last 20 years.

Here is the predecessor, SpaceShipOne, winner of the X Prize
Spaceship One powered flight 3

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

Here is the predecessor, SpaceShipOne, winner of the X Prize

You mean the spaceship launched from an airplane that's never really been into actual space?

Yes, very comparable to the space shuttle....

The space shuttle, despite a few accidents, has had a pretty decent track record. I mean, the thing launches into space. It's not exactly taking a trip to McDonalds.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by PaperNotes 

The purpose of that example was to highlight the bureaucratic arrogance that led to two disasters that could have been avoided. Penn and Teller did a good episode on NASA which argued that private companies could do a much better job:

And while I don't disagree that it could be possible, Penn and Teller must either a) have their heads in the sand or b) have their heads in another choice location. The record of private corporations in the last few years has been awful. Simply compare how many satellites private corporations have lost vs. NASA. At the rate private corporations have been blowing up rockets on the launch-pad, they'll be single handedly driving the satellite tv companies out of business.

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by goMac 

You mean the spaceship launched from an airplane that's never really been into actual space?

Yes, very comparable to the space shuttle....

The space shuttle, despite a few accidents, has had a pretty decent track record. I mean, the thing launches into space. It's not exactly taking a trip to McDonalds.

National Geographic disagrees.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...ne_xprize.html

SpaceShipOne scored a ten-million-dollar (U.S.) hat trick this morning. The world's first privately built manned spacecraft completed its third round-trip journey to space. In the process, it laid claim to ten million dollars (U.S.) in prize money and further bolstered dreams of private space exploration.

The craft, tucked under the belly of the carrier airplane White Knight, lifted off from California's Mojave Airport, now technically a spaceport, around 6:45 Pacific time. Ninety minutes and a 62-mile-high (100-kilometer-high) space shot later, the vehicle was safely back on the ground. The record-breaking flight appeared to go off without a hitch.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

National Geographic disagrees.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...ne_xprize.html

SpaceShipOne is a sub-orbital. It's not an equivalent to any real space ship.

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by goMac 

SpaceShipOne is a sub-orbital. It's not an equivalent to any real space ship.

Then, Freedom 7 was not a real space ship, since Shepard's flight was suborbital and was capable of carrying only one passenger.

[PaperNotes]

Originally Posted by goMac 

And while I don't disagree that it could be possible, Penn and Teller must either a) have their heads in the sand or b) have their heads in another choice location. The record of private corporations in the last few years has been awful. Simply compare how many satellites private corporations have lost vs. NASA. At the rate private corporations have been blowing up rockets on the launch-pad, they'll be single handedly driving the satellite tv companies out of business.

This is highly skewed of you. Dear Leader and the entire Central Committee of the Inner Party would approve at this anti-capitalist disinformation!

The successes of private corporations and the free market are in fact so above and beyond anything government could be capable of that we must not talk about it, Comrade! Look at what happened in Russia, China and India before they opened up their markets to free trade and corporations! People were starving, their economies were worth nothing, they had dried up. Now they are booming, buying western companies and lending all the newly made wealth to other countries! Their birth rates and poverty are going down and productivity is going up!

In the United States of Revolutionary Change of America the people must not be exposed to such radical capitalist pigs! All corporationism must be attacked by our comrades in the liberal intellectual fields of acting and rap music!

The Democrat Party and Revolutionary Organisations such as ACORN must do their best to bankrupt the powerful capitalist pig system. We can do this first by drying up all credit. We shall force banks to give loans to underprivileged people, minorities and people who earn minimum wage. When they begin to default on the loans we will see the capitalist pig system begin to crumble and we will campaign for Revolutionary Change! The messiah, The One who will be Our Dear Leader, will be elected and bring about the Change we need to control everything. He will threaten to destroy corporations by increasing income tax on private investors, doubling the capital gains tax and impose Carbon Trading on them. Big Brother must be the only investor in technology!

Now let us sing and dance for Dear Leader!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GExiNDBojfs

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sI8b7H...watch_response

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2qJQBaFebcA

[Chongo]

Does anyone else notice that the Dear Leader '08 flag in the background looks familiar?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmkxY05eI0k

[PaperNotes]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

Does anyone else notice that the Dear Leader '08 flag in the background looks familiar?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmkxY05eI0k

I noticed their brainwasher...I mean teacher is from North Korea!

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by PaperNotes 

Dear Leader is proud of your Change! Normally you're playing with yourself!

That's a very Abe-like joke...

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by PaperNotes 

I noticed their brainwasher...I mean teacher is from North Korea!

From Japan, possibly? The banner on the wall reminds me of this oldie but goodie.

 

[PaperNotes]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

That's a very Abe-like joke...

I am not this "Abe". I do know you however have been giving numerous Peoples of Change headaches about your love of free software that you can barely use, have made many attacks against commercial software that you have no idea about, and now show much love to communism without having lived under it. Comrade, we need more people like you. I will see that you are promoted to the Inner Party!

[PaperNotes]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

From Japan, possibly?

 

Right I was wondering this morning where the Obama campaign were drawing all their design inspiration from! I notice some Golden Dawn style motifs too which have always been used for subliminally brainwashing people with hope for the "brighter tomorrow".

I also took note that his campaign redesigned the Presidential Seal in blue tones and used it for his campaign. Super arrogant.

[andi*pandi]

I am Abe.

You all fell for my trap and are now to be mocked, haha!

***'

And seriously, my husband and his family escaped a communist regime, and I've heard more concerns from him about the Patriot Act, nanny laws, and other invasions of privacy that stemmed from the Bush Regime than anything Obama has planned. He also is libertarian though.

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by PaperNotes 

Right I was wondering this morning where the Obama campaign were drawing all their design inspiration from! I notice some Golden Dawn style motifs too which have always been used for subliminally brainwashing people with hope for the "brighter tomorrow".

I also took note that his campaign redesigned the Presidential Seal in blue tones and used it for his campaign. Super arrogant.

here is a screen grab

 

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by PaperNotes 

I am not this "Abe". I do know you however have been giving numerous Peoples of Change headaches about your love of free software that you can barely use, have made many attacks against commercial software that you have no idea about, and now show much love to communism without having lived under it. Comrade, we need more people like you. I will see that you are promoted to the Inner Party!

Oh yes, I'm an unabashed communist because I use free software on my servers. I'm not so sure I want to be promoted to your inner party though, unless there are orgies?

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by andi*pandi 

I am Abe.

You all fell for my trap and are now to be mocked, haha!

I KNEW IT! I just didn't want to say it.

Now that you are here, please save us from the foreign agents that have infiltrated this thread! I also didn't want to say this, but I think that some of the mods are foreign agents. I don't want to say which though, or else we'd have a witch hunt on our hands, but hopefully you can help expose them!

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by PaperNotes 

I am not this "Abe".

That's exactly what abe would say! You're so busted!
Next step is saying "but this 'abe' sounds like a smart guy." I bet a nickel you say it within one week

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

Then, Freedom 7 was not a real space ship, since Shepard's flight was suborbital and was capable of carrying only one passenger.

Does that negate everything else the government has done? I'm not saying that private business couldn't be better. I'm saying so far they haven't been, and they aren't all rainbows and unicorns.

Originally Posted by PaperNotes 

The successes of private corporations and the free market are in fact so above and beyond anything government could be capable of that we must not talk about it, Comrade! Look at what happened in Russia, China and India before they opened up their markets to free trade and corporations! People were starving, their economies were worth nothing, they had dried up. Now they are booming, buying western companies and lending all the newly made wealth to other countries! Their birth rates and poverty are going down and productivity is going up!

I'm not sure what you're point is. The US doesn't even have a full free market economy. Shoving the economy to one end of the spectrum isn't going to work magic. None of those countries you listed has a full free market economy.

In fact, the world's best economy right now is China, and they're even less free market than we are.

Name on country in the world that has a fully free market economy. Just one.

[vmarks]

attention. Just as we have a rule to not have threads about other members, knock of the posting about Aberdeenwriter/abe/mojo. He isn't here to defend himself and it's off topic.

Please be sure to stay on topic. Thank you.

[Mithras]

Whatever the hell the topic is. Bow down to Supreme Leader! Socialist Soviet Republics of America! Reeducation Camps! Truly This Is The Dawn of A New Age!

[besson3c]

Yeah, what is the topic supposed to be anyway?

[andi*pandi]

Making soviet mountains out of election rhetoric molehills.

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by PaperNotes 

Just remember that it is your money funding them. Government does *nothing*. Do not tell this to Our Glorious Leader or he will send me to the Alaskan Gulag where Mistress Palin is ruler! All glory must be to government, not to taxpayer or bright brains!

And if you want a good current example of private enterprise vs government brightness I give you

Virgin Galactic



NASA

Absolutely UNCALLED FOR, Paper. For one thing, the Challenger accident was tragic on a number of levels. Oh, and that happened on Ronnie's watch. In fact, because President Regan was pretty interested in the whole "teacher in space" issue, they were more reticent than usual to scrap the launch.

Have a little compassion, ok? That whole comparison was just plain rude and cold-hearted.

[James L]

Originally Posted by ghporter 

Have a little compassion, ok? That whole comparison was just plain rude and cold-hearted.

You forgot ignorant.

[besson3c]

It would be nice if people could express differing opinions in here without being accused of being Communist, or other labels that are disagreeable.

[PaperNotes]

Originally Posted by ghporter 

Absolutely UNCALLED FOR, Paper. For one thing, the Challenger accident was tragic on a number of levels. Oh, and that happened on Ronnie's watch.

If you were a good administrator you would have read why that example was made and that it has nothing to do with who is elected as president (except that the new one wants to bankrupt much private enterprise).

[PaperNotes]

Originally Posted by goMac 

In fact, the world's best economy right now is China

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A successful economy isn't defined by the power and wealth of the state, but by how much wealth and power is in the hands of the masses. China would have even less if it weren't for opening up to the free market.

[Chongo]

Song of praise for Dear Leader
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l46t_nrySg4

[besson3c]

I guess all of this Dear Leader/Comrades/Communist junk is supposed to be our "punishment" from a few people here for not voting for McCain?

I guess the logic is sort of along the lines of "oh yeah? Well take this, morans!! I'm going to demonstrate my superior intellect by eating this dog turd, which I bet you didn't even think of doing yourself.. heheheh you guys are a bunch of morans!"

If you really want to make the case that Obama is, in fact Communist, please do so, but simply turning up the volume of your mantra in concert is really not very effective at demonstrating your self-righteousness.



.... Of course, I didn't vote for anybody.. Woe is me!

[vmarks]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

I guess all of this Dear Leader/Comrades/Communist junk is supposed to be our "punishment" from a few people here for not voting for McCain?

We sat through eight years of "stolen election/war criminal/bush-hitler-chimpy-mchalliburton." I don't approve of either, but I'm not as surprised as you seem to be that some people are reacting this way.

If you really want to make the case that Obama is, in fact Communist, please do so, but simply turning up the volume of your mantra in concert is really not very effective at demonstrating your self-righteousness.

And that discussion could happen in the thread that you started. I'd like to see that discussion take place, even.

[Laminar]

Originally Posted by sek929 

The first computer was built by the government to do the computations for the a-bomb.

I've seen the first computer.

The Atanasoff-Berry Computer was the world's first electronic digital computer. It was built by John Vincent Atanasoff and Clifford Berry at Iowa State University during 1937-42. It incorporated several major innovations in computing including the use of binary arithmetic, regenerative memory, parallel processing, and separation of memory and computing functions.
On October 19, 1973, US Federal Judge Earl R. Larson signed his decision following a lengthy court trial which declared the ENIAC patent of Mauchly and Eckert invalid and named Atanasoff the inventor of the electronic digital computer -- the Atanasoff-Berry Computer or the ABC.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by vmarks 

We sat through eight years of "stolen election/war criminal/bush-hitler-chimpy-mchalliburton." I don't approve of either, but I'm not as surprised as you seem to be that some people are reacting this way.

I guess then maybe the problem is feeling like people are taking out their hostilities on people like myself who rarely if ever called Bush a war crmiinal and the other things you mentioned?

If it is truly this, it is unfortunate that some have carried that bitterness for so long that they feel compelled to exact "revenge" upon us now. What would it take to put this to an end?

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by vmarks 

We sat through eight years of "stolen election/war criminal/bush-hitler-chimpy-mchalliburton." I don't approve of either, but I'm not as surprised as you seem to be that some people are reacting this way.

I kind of held out a hope that Republicans might see how mean-spirited and petty it looked when the Democrats did it and resist the temptation, but I didn't really expect it.

[Dakar V]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

I kind of held out a hope that Republicans might see how mean-spirited and petty it looked when the Democrats did it and resist the temptation, but I didn't really expect it.

The side in control will may talk about how unfair or unnecessary some of the pettiness is, but at the end of the day, if things don't break their way, they'll be just as big assholes.

I haven't been around long enough to know if this sort of pre-taking office crapfest is unique to Obama as a polarizing figure or not, but it's worth noting one poster in general has been perpetrating 90% of the venom (post election).

[besson3c]

The thing that disturbs me is that if Obama is really a polarizing figure, who isn't? I mean, he went out of his way to not say disparaging things about conservatism as a whole, to compromise on some issues, and demonstrate a sense of cooperation. He ran his campaign pretty cleanly (certainly cleaner than both Hillary's and McCain's), and has talked openly many times about reaching across the aisle. I have no reason to believe that he will go out of his way to undercut his message at this point.

You can say that all of this is empty and meaningless speech, and you might very well be right that it is simply rhetoric, but then again, it is more than what any other candidate has offered, and more than I've seen since following American politics. Perhaps your gut feelings guide you torwards thinking that all of this is empty, and perhaps you will be right, perhaps some people are naive, I'm personally undecided on much of this. However, like I said, I really don't see him as being that polarizing, and from the looks of it I'm not the only one.

My own gut feeling is that it doesn't really matter who the Democrats ran as their candidate. As long as he had a D in front of his name, many of the same outspoken people here would have found plenty to dislike, and would have made this at least equally as clear. What seems illogical to me is that many of these same people prior to the election heating up thought that McCain was too liberal too, and said they weren't going to vote for him. I understand the whole lesser of too evils thing, but what I don't understand is this amount of heavy emotional investment in a candidate that at the end of the day you aren't crazy about anyway?

If you really want to push the country to the right, it is absolutely possible to do so without donning your Republican campaign pom poms. As vmarks has said, conservatism and the Republican party are not the same thing.

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

As long as he had a D in front of his name...

Yeah. We need some new parties. I'm not even sure if the partisan antipathy is misplaced or not. You could say that McCain (D) or Obama (R) would have been the same leader but with reverse reactions from all the reactionaries we have here, but you could make an equally strong case that the parties would compromise the candidates' ideals just by osmosis.

How did Ron Paul do in the popular vote, does anyone know?

[Chuckit]

Ron Paul dropped out before the election. You mean in the primaries?

[besson3c]

What about Ron Paul write-ins?

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

What about Ron Paul write-ins?

Yeah, write-ins, and also I thought google had him with a small percent in Montana (or someplace near there), was he on the ballot there?

[Chongo]

Murals of Dear Leader






Not a mural but interesting

[besson3c]

Tip: sheer repetition is not persuasive. You have an open invitation to make a coherent argument explaining why Obama is, in fact, communist - make the argument!

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Okay, Shaddim is not Abe, how about the rest of you guys?

I'm abe. And my wife is, too.

So's my brother, and my nephew.

-t