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Sep 15, 2004, 06:20 AM
 
The BBC has an article about the Toronto film festival showing a film about three fu�king bastards who tortured a tame house cat to death by kicking it, pinning it to a wall, disembowling it and beheading it. The festivals organisers claim this film is a "deep commentary" about society's cruelty to animals and refuse to pull the film. The film's co-director laughed in the face of protestors who turned up at the showing of the film.

I've already written to the sponsors of the festival, amongst them Air Canada and Starbucks informing them that they just lost me as a customer for supporting this atrocity.

I don't know about you but this is just flat out wrong. I don't see the difference between sick �unts who do sh�t like this and those who killed Nick Berg live on video.

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Sep 15, 2004, 06:26 AM
 
if you've seen enough, you'd come up with 2 conclusions:

(1) this world is crazy;
(2) you haven't seen it all.

some people are just sick and sad.
     
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Sep 15, 2004, 07:48 AM
 
Originally posted by theolein:
The festivals organisers claim this film is a "deep commentary" about society's cruelty to animals and refuse to pull the film.
I'd say it's a deep commentary about the filmmakers, who filmed this abomination instead of stopping it.
     
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Sep 15, 2004, 08:04 AM
 
EMAIL THEM

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That's the press office.

and/or CC:

[email protected]

That's film handling.

and/or CC:

[email protected]

Those are the people that decide "what" is shown at the festival.

I say we should all start sending them "fanboy" mail.

     
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Sep 15, 2004, 08:17 AM
 
Here's the story from this morning's Toronto Star.

Here's a look at the sicko:


A police officer escorts Jesse Powers away from a protest outside the Cumberland Theatre last night. A documentary about a movie he made in 2001 showing the killing of a cat was about to screen. The documentary has revived controversy about the original film.


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Sep 15, 2004, 10:05 AM
 
Two things.

First, animal cruelty is just wrong. Cruelty is just wrong.

Second, when are cutsie filmmakers going to realize expression that's merely "epater les bourgeois" is old, tired, played-out and whack?
     
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Sep 15, 2004, 10:59 AM
 
And now this story today also:
Puppy put down after being kicked and blinded.
What is wrong with these people?
     
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Sep 15, 2004, 11:01 AM
 
As opposed to people clubbing baby seals, or hunting whales? Oh, yeah, its all good until you actuall get a chance to see it. Or heck, how about the suffering of people all over the world. Cry me a river.
     
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Sep 15, 2004, 11:02 AM
 
Originally posted by DigitalEl:
Here's the story from this morning's Toronto Star.

Here's a look at the sicko:


A police officer escorts Jesse Powers away from a protest outside the Cumberland Theatre last night. A documentary about a movie he made in 2001 showing the killing of a cat was about to screen. The documentary has revived controversy about the original film.
That �unt deserves to get some of his bones broken and a good kicking to the head. Fu�king bastard.
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Sep 15, 2004, 11:08 AM
 
Originally posted by theolein:
That �unt deserves to get some of his bones broken and a good kicking to the head. Fu�king bastard.
Yeah but the chick who did this deserves worse



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Sep 15, 2004, 11:10 AM
 
Originally posted by MilkmanDan:
As opposed to people clubbing baby seals, or hunting whales? Oh, yeah, its all good until you actuall get a chance to see it. Or heck, how about the suffering of people all over the world. Cry me a river.
What?

Was anyone talking about that?? no? well then start your own thread about it!

This thread is about a movie made by a person that should not procreate.
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Sep 15, 2004, 11:21 AM
 
I really fear for the future of our society with such unspeakable animal cruelty occurring. A lost moral compass seems to have occurred.

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Sep 15, 2004, 11:21 AM
 
Thanks for ruining my day.
     
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Sep 15, 2004, 11:25 AM
 
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Sep 15, 2004, 11:29 AM
 
speechless is right. I can't think of anything to say to that sort of inhumane behavior.
     
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Sep 15, 2004, 11:30 AM
 
Originally posted by MilkmanDan:
As opposed to people clubbing baby seals, or hunting whales? Oh, yeah, its all good until you actuall get a chance to see it. Or heck, how about the suffering of people all over the world. Cry me a river.
Then feel free to start your own thread on those topics, j-hole.
     
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Sep 15, 2004, 11:56 AM
 
Its disgusting what passes for art these days. Seems to be becoming a catch-all phrase for every sicko out there.

This isn't new though and this kind of thing has been happening for ages.
     
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Sep 15, 2004, 12:20 PM
 
I heard about that 3 years ago and I was ready to hunt the guy down and kill him myself.

Just to be clear though the new film that you are talking about is a documentary about the sick bastard.

"The documentary shows interviews with artists, police and activists - but not the animal's mutilation and death."

It is really no different then making a movie about a serial killer.

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Sep 15, 2004, 12:34 PM
 
Originally posted by voyageur:
I'd say it's a deep commentary about the filmmakers, who filmed this abomination instead of stopping it.
Huh? It's a documentary about the 3 students who made the original film, not the original film itself. That is never shown, other than text from the court transcripts. The makers of the documentary couldn't have stopped events that occured 3 years ago.

Originally posted by Landos Mustache:
It is really no different then making a movie about a serial killer.
Charlize Theron won an Oscar for portraying one, and Jonathan Demme won a bunch for making another. Aside from those two, plenty of other documentaries and fictions have been made about serial killers.

I think the real morons here (other than the original 3 students) are the people issuing death threats to the Festival staff and the protestors who haven't even seen the film. I would have laughed at the protestors too.
     
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Sep 15, 2004, 12:35 PM
 
Originally posted by Landos Mustache:
I heard about that 3 years ago and I was ready to hunt the guy down and kill him myself.

Just to be clear though the new film that you are talking about is a documentary about the sick bastard.

"The documentary shows interviews with artists, police and activists - but not the animal's mutilation and death."

It is really no different then making a movie about a serial killer.
In light of that evidence, the film that is going on at the festival doesn't seem to be bad. The part that makes it seem bad is when we hear that the 3 guys who did it filmed themselves, but it sounds like this filmmaker did not use any of that footage. It's the same damn thing that happens on the news every day.

There is no good reason to stop this film. His intention seems to be showing how disgusting it is to do these things.
     
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Sep 15, 2004, 12:42 PM
 
I don't think anyone needs to see such a thing to realize that doing it is disgusting.

I mean raping some poor girl is disgusting too. I'd never do it and tape it to show that.

That is no excuse.
     
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Sep 15, 2004, 12:53 PM
 
Yeah, it's sadism masked as "art."

Disgusting.
     
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Sep 15, 2004, 01:14 PM
 
The guy who did this to the cat claimed to be an animal rights activist. Ya right.

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Sep 15, 2004, 01:22 PM
 
He should be arrested.
     
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Sep 15, 2004, 01:23 PM
 
Originally posted by Landos Mustache:
The guy who did this to the cat claimed to be an animal rights activist. Ya right.
I'm not a violent person so I wouldn't want to beat that guy up, but I could consider allowing the animals to get back at him. Like killer bees or spiders!

Nature can kick ass as well.
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Sep 15, 2004, 01:26 PM
 
Yeah, my Cody Dawg will kick his ass!

     
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Sep 15, 2004, 01:27 PM
 
Originally posted by MilkmanDan:
As opposed to people clubbing baby seals, or hunting whales? Oh, yeah, its all good until you actuall get a chance to see it. Or heck, how about the suffering of people all over the world. Cry me a river.

so because youre NEVER going to stop all the cruelty in the world, you shouldnt get upset by any of it?

thats ****ing retarded. YOU may feel compelled to lay down and take the kicks, but i wont ****ing comply.
     
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Sep 15, 2004, 01:28 PM
 
Originally posted by Zimphire:
He should be arrested.
He was, and charged with animal cruelty.

Probably meant a $500 fine in the end but he get death threats constantly.

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Sep 15, 2004, 01:32 PM
 
I wonder what fellow jailheads/prisoners will think of that bastard? I mean, maybe the general population will teach him a thing or two about "cruelty," you know?

Sounds good to me.

     
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Sep 15, 2004, 01:38 PM
 
Originally posted by voodoo:
I'm not a violent person so I wouldn't want to beat that guy up, but I could consider allowing the animals to get back at him.
Yeah, he should do his next "documentary" with a mountain lion or grizzly bear, so the audience can watch him get mauled.
     
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Sep 15, 2004, 01:42 PM
 
Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
I wonder what fellow jailheads/prisoners will think of that bastard? \
Somehow I don't think he went to jail. The laws for Animal cruelty is rather light everywhere in the world.

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Originally posted by splatq:
Yeah, he should do his next "documentary" with a mountain lion or grizzly bear, so the audience can watch him get mauled.
Now *that* would be a hit film!
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Sep 15, 2004, 01:47 PM
 
Originally posted by GoGoReggieXPowars:
Huh? It's a documentary about the 3 students who made the original film, not the original film itself. That is never shown, other than text from the court transcripts. The makers of the documentary couldn't have stopped events that occured 3 years ago.
Yes, you're right. One of the links was down when I first tried to access, and I only read this later. It's my understanding the filmmakers evince no sympathy from the audience for the perpetrators of the awful crime. However, I would find it too depressing to watch.
     
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Sep 15, 2004, 02:03 PM
 
Originally posted by Xeo:
In light of that evidence, the film that is going on at the festival doesn't seem to be bad. The part that makes it seem bad is when we hear that the 3 guys who did it filmed themselves, but it sounds like this filmmaker did not use any of that footage. It's the same damn thing that happens on the news every day.

There is no good reason to stop this film. His intention seems to be showing how disgusting it is to do these things.


so, wait, nobody posting here has even seen this movie? oh wow.
     
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Sep 15, 2004, 02:14 PM
 
Originally posted by d4nth3m4n:


so, wait, nobody posting here has even seen this movie? oh wow.
I don't give a crap about the film. What set me off is the what the guys did in the first place.
     
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Sep 15, 2004, 02:19 PM
 
Sick ****s.
     
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Sep 15, 2004, 02:21 PM
 
What's even more pathetic is that he might have even applied for, and been given, an art grant of some type, for funding. I've read about things like that. NEA gives weird grants like that sometimes.

Yeah, it's really depraved and sickening.

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Sep 15, 2004, 02:31 PM
 
Originally posted by Captain Obvious:
Yeah but the chick who did this deserves worse


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Sep 15, 2004, 02:47 PM
 
Sick people!

Just some info that many people may not know about. At the moment at any given time a cat serial killer is on the job.

Right now in North America there are several cases of widespread killings of cats in several cities. Most are by poisoning.

and

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Sep 15, 2004, 02:57 PM
 
In one of the articles it said he received a 90 days of jail time to be served largely on weekends. The canadian laws for cruelty to animals need a serious update this ****er should be in jail for at least a couple of years. ****ing asshat
     
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Sep 15, 2004, 03:17 PM
 
Originally posted by xi_hyperon:
I don't give a crap about the film. What set me off is the what the guys did in the first place.
exactamente
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Sep 15, 2004, 03:47 PM
 
Originally posted by shmerek:
In one of the articles it said he received a 90 days of jail time to be served largely on weekends. The canadian laws for cruelty to animals need a serious update this ****er should be in jail for at least a couple of years. ****ing asshat
yep they should be higher. What are the laws in the US?

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Sep 15, 2004, 03:52 PM
 
voyageur: no worries

Originally posted by d4nth3m4n:
so, wait, nobody posting here has even seen this movie? oh wow.
Nope. And if the threats against the Festival staff had worked, then nobody would have been able to see it.
Originally posted by Zimphire:
He should be arrested.
They (the 3 students) were, read the damn articles.
     
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Sep 15, 2004, 03:57 PM
 
This kind of thing makes me wish for the return of Eye-for-an-eye punishment..
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Originally posted by d4nth3m4n:


so, wait, nobody posting here has even seen this movie? oh wow.
I don't think one has to see it to know it's bad.
     
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Sep 15, 2004, 07:02 PM
 
Originally posted by Landos Mustache:
yep they should be higher. What are the laws in the US?
i dunno but i don't think you can serve jail in the US only on weekends. thats kinda weird.
     
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Sep 15, 2004, 07:55 PM
 
Originally posted by MilkmanDan:
As opposed to people clubbing baby seals, or hunting whales? Oh, yeah, its all good until you actuall get a chance to see it. Or heck, how about the suffering of people all over the world. Cry me a river.
You, my friend, don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about. Start a new thread if you want to be enlightened. Or STFU.

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Sep 15, 2004, 08:10 PM
 
Originally posted by Landos Mustache:
yep they should be higher. What are the laws in the US?
Not sure, but the guy in Florida last week who shot a few puppies before one shot him was charged with "felony animal cruelty". I would hope a felony charge means a more serious sentence than doing a little time on the weekends.
     
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Sep 15, 2004, 08:19 PM
 
Originally posted by Logic:
You, my friend, don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about. Start a new thread if you want to be enlightened. Or STFU.
That's ironic. I think that in almost every post you make yet you haven't shut up once.

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