[storer]

Today in Australia there was a huge child pornography bust. Over 700 machines were seized (I didn't see any macs). What is most disgusting about all of this, is that the people involved were people like doctors, lawyers, and even one man in charge of 3 child care centres. 150 Australians were arrested.

What are your thoughts on this?

Here is an article:
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/com...55E661,00.html

[demograph68]

Originally posted by storer:
What are your thoughts on this?

You weren't caught? JK

[skalie]

Originally posted by storer:
What are your thoughts on this?

First thought that enters my head is, great news that they caught the sons of a britches and hope that their jail warders aren't too clever when it comes to protective custody.

Then I read the article "2 year old involved in a bondage scene", and wish I hadn't.

[fibroptikl]

Originally posted by skalie:
Then I read the article "2 year old involved in a bondage scene", and wish I hadn't.

I can't find it.

[Shaddim]

I tell ya, we need to reinstitute flogging. Keep the offenders in jail for a month and take them out and flog them once a day. Of course, that's only if they are in possession of it. If they were making it, they should just be shot. .38 behind the left ear... after being flogged for a month.

[Nodnarb]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
I tell ya, we need to reinstitute flogging. Keep the offenders in jail for a month and take them out and flog them once a day. Of course, that's only if they are in possession of it. If they were making it, they should just be shot. .38 behind the left ear... after being flogged for a month.

[Demonhood]

that's a huge bust.

if you are ever unfortunate enough to run across any material of that sort (and you're in the US), please contact your local FBI office. they're the ones that handle such issues, and they take it very seriously.

[storer]

Originally posted by demograph68:
You weren't caught? JK

Ummm, no. FYI, I am young enough (14) to be involved so, no.

Demonhood: your local FBI? Where the hell is that? Local... lol. No FBI here...

[Demonhood]

Originally posted by storer:
Demonhood: your local FBI? Where the hell is that? Local... lol. No FBI here...

hence my "(and you're in the US)" statement above.

[storer]

oh i missed that.

HEY, did u edit it?

[undotwa]

Originally posted by storer:
Ummm, no. FYI, I am young enough (14) to be involved so, no.

Demonhood: your local FBI? Where the hell is that? Local... lol. No FBI here...

Actually, the FBI aided the Australian police in this bust. The FBI are active in Australia (and in other places in the developed world).

[moonmonkey]

Originally posted by undotwa:
Actually, the FBI aided the Australian police in this bust. The FBI are active in Australia (and in other places in the developed world).

Developed world, Australia, good one!

[storer]

Originally posted by undotwa:
Actually, the FBI aided the Australian police in this bust. The FBI are active in Australia (and in other places in the developed world).

mmm, they did say a lot of the material was from abroad.

[olePigeon]

In other news: 150 men sodomized, then murdered in an Australian prison.

[smacintush]

Huh�I was wrong. I thought child sex was mandated by the Australian Gov't.

[storer]

more arrests made today.
this is sick:
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/com...55E661,00.html
how disgusting.

[Atomic Rooster]

And some have commited suicide.

Given the scope of this thing and statements to the effect that this is the tip of an iceberg,
I would say that many people who say they are surprised and disgusted such as parents, teachers. police officials, judges and officials with child welfare groups ran home and wiped their hard drives.

In the U.S., politicians who have advocated stiffer sentences have been busted as have all kinds of other outspoken leaders against child pornography.

So I would say that among the many who are shocked some are actually breathing a sigh of relief.

[skalie]

Originally posted by Atomic Rooster:
And some have commited suicide.

Won't be losing any sleep over that.

Kudo's to those that initated the offensive and saw it bear fruit. They must have had to deal with some pretty unsavoury findings.

Respect.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by olePigeon:
In other news: 150 men sodomized, then murdered in an Australian prison.

Stop, you'll get yourself excited.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by Atomic Rooster:
And some have commited suicide.

Good.

What I've never understood is why they try and stop nasty bastards like these from killing themselves? Hell, the jailers should be giving them rope and a chair to help them out... maybe even some knot tying lessons.

[fireside]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Good.

What I've never understood is why they try and stop nasty bastards like these from killing themselves?

cause killing yourself is the easiest way out of it?

[storer]

Originally posted by fireside:
cause killing yourself is the easiest way out of it?

yes, probably. I think I would be doing that.
Dont get me wrong, but they would have all the public embarassment, every one knowing they are a pedophile...

wouldn't you kill yourself?

killing themselves usually confirms guilt.

[MallyMal]

Originally posted by storer:
What is most disgusting about all of this, is that the people involved were people like doctors, lawyers, and even one man in charge of 3 child care centres.

Once again proving that one shouldn't judge a book by its cover. Or in this case, a person by their profession, status, or way of dress.

[storer]

Originally posted by MallyMal:
Once again proving that one shouldn't judge a book by its cover. Or in this case, a person by their profession, status, or way of dress.

true. It's just a profession, not a level of decency.
I like that comment, MallyMal, its really deep and mysterious.
You come across as very wise...

[nredman]

god damn people suck, stories like this really sicken me. glad they got busted though

[storer]

Originally posted by nredman:
god damn people suck, stories like this really sicken me. glad they got busted though

mmm. We don't have the death penalty, so fortunately for future generations of children, they are knocking themselves off.
EDIT: i wonder whether the investigation will spread worldwide... maybe because they found overseas "material" on the machines.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by fireside:
cause killing yourself is the easiest way out of it?

I don't want revenge, I just want them out of the gene pool.

[storer]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
I don't want revenge, I just want them out of the gene pool.

finally! a use for genetic modification.

[Rev-O]

Originally posted by Atomic Rooster:
And some have commited suicide.

. In cases like this, I am very much in favor of assisted suicide, too!

[storer]

Originally posted by Rev-O:
. In cases like this, I am very much in favor of assisted suicide, too!

yes! why not give them a hand?

[jbartone]

Police were involved in this as well...it's disgusting...4 have comitted suicide so far.

[storer]

suicide is just a huge admission of guilt. oh well, if thats what they want to do... go ahead.

[MallyMal]

Originally posted by storer:
true. It's just a profession, not a level of decency.
I like that comment, MallyMal, its really deep and mysterious.
You come across as very wise...

Thank you, sir!

[storer]

you're welcome.

noone ever compliments anyone here. lol

[jbartone]

And to add...it looks like the AFP are doing a great job! Every few weeks we hear of a bust, raid or whatever...kudos to Comissioner Keelty!

[storer]

Originally posted by jbartone:
And to add...it looks like the AFP are doing a great job! Every few weeks we hear of a bust, raid or whatever...kudos to Comissioner Keelty!

I'm not too big on politics, but this has to come up in the election campaign sooner or later, if not already.

[jbartone]

Originally posted by storer:
I'm not too big on politics, but this has to come up in the election campaign sooner or later, if not already.

Well there are only 7 days to go...if it does it will be overtaken by last minute healthcare/schools/national security policy reiteration...

Keelty did make a remark about our country being more at risk from terror attacks due to Iraq a few months ago, Howard and the Liberals promptly told him to shut up.

[storer]

sorry for derailing the thread... and i don't want to start a debate.
who would u b voting for?
i would be voting for Liberal (johnny) if i could. Just something about Mark Latham and his policies turns me off. He likes to play dirty, and looks a little bit so (yeh i know, book cover thing).

[jbartone]

Originally posted by storer:
sorry for derailing the thread... and i don't want to start a debate.
who would u b voting for?
i would be voting for Liberal (johnny) if i could. Just something about Mark Latham and his policies turns me off. He likes to play dirty, and looks a little bit so (yeh i know, book cover thing).

I would vote Labor for the House of Reps (therefore Latham) and Labor in the Senate.

Howard is a liar, I don't trust him. He talks about interest rates and the deficit, then goes and spends 6 billion on election vote buying.

[storer]

mmmmmk.

West Australian electrician Kim Della-Vedova, 46, of Australind in the state's south-west, was found dead at his house.

His body was discovered by a friend after he failed to appear at the Bunbury Court of Petty Sessions on three charges of possessing child pornography.

Detective Sergeant Darren Kelly of Australind police said Della-Vedova's body was found in his car parked at the side of the house and there were no suspicious circumstances.

"From what we can ascertain so far, it appears he has died by his own hand as a result of carbon monoxide poisoning," he said.

ninemsn

mmm, seems like they were just too embarassed.

[fireside]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
I don't want revenge, I just want them out of the gene pool.

just because they're pedophiles doesn't mean their children are.

[storer]

Originally posted by fireside:
just because they're pedophiles doesn't mean their children are.

no, they're children are most likely the victims.

[moonmonkey]

Originally posted by storer:
EDIT: i wonder whether the investigation will spread worldwide... maybe because they found overseas "material" on the machines.

It has, Australia got the information from the FBI and Scotland Yard, who original got the the data from credit card transactions discovered in a raid in the US.

There has been a big cleanup, 100's have been locked up in the UK already.

[storer]

Originally posted by moonmonkey:
There has been a big cleanup, 100's have been locked up in the UK already.

I hadn't heard anything of it then.

[ambush]

Originally posted by storer:
about all of this, is that the people involved were people like doctors, lawyers, and even one man in charge of 3 child care centres. 150 Australians were arrested.

Why not. you can't judge people by their professions.

[storer]

Originally posted by ambush:
Why not. you can't judge people by their professions.

true. MallyMal has said this.

[Superchicken]

Ultimately pedophiles are still people, granted they have shown absolute contempt for human life. I'm not sure how I feel about these people committing suicide. I'm more saddened at what must have happened to them and what they must have chosen to do to themselves to get that way.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by fireside:
just because they're pedophiles doesn't mean their children are.

We don't know that... why take any chances.


On a more serious note. If these scumbags do this to other children, I'm sure they probably abuse their own. Sexual abuse breeds sexual abuse, their children would be more likely to be similar offenders.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by ambush:
Why not. you can't judge people by their professions.

I'll remember this when you and others start throwing nasty comments regarding priests again.

[agentz]

Originally posted by storer:
suicide is just a huge admission of guilt. oh well, if thats what they want to do... go ahead.

Wrong.

Suicide is not 'just a huge admission of guilt'. I have no doubt that some of those people who have decided to end their own lives were indeed guilty but I'm also sure that some will have been innocent. And it looks like we'll never know the truth in those unfortunate cases.

Some people may not be strong enough mentally to deal with the stress of what for them could be a false accusation. They can't face the stigma of being labelled a paedophile, the effect that it has on their lives and families.

People do get falsely accused, arrested for something they have had no part in. There are plenty of cases of people who have been accused of inappropriate sexual behaviour and have been found innocent whose lives are ruined becuase people don't believe, or don't want to believe that they are innocent. The media can have a lot of bearing on this - it's not unusual for people to be hounded until they crack.

Just recently we had an instance of this in a town not far from here. A local woman was mistakenly identified by a neighbour as Maxine Carr, the ex-girlfriend of a man who murdered two young schoolgirls a couple of years back. Carr was found guilty of perverting the course of justice but was cleared of actually taking part in the murder of the girls. Carr has now been released from prison and has been given a new identity and is living anonymously in another part of the country. But, this poor woman's neighbours reckoned she was Maxine Carr becuase there was a slight facial similarity. One of the local tabloid papers got hold of the story and started hounding this woman. Her home was vandalised, she was attacked, her family were abused.

It was nothing to do with her. A person with a weaker mental approach to life may have not been able to bear this sort of abusive pressure and taken their own life. What if this woman had been receiving treatment for depressive illness?

Sorry for the somewhat rambling rant, but suicide is a subject not to be taken lightly.