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mixin visuals · Dec 13, 2004, 05:50 PM

hahhaa, i am glad that loser is going to die

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=319614&page=1

SafariX · Dec 13, 2004, 05:55 PM

karl mallowned!

OptimusG4 · Dec 13, 2004, 06:02 PM

Good...those fake tears he shed didn't fool anyone.

AB^2=BCxAC · Dec 13, 2004, 06:03 PM

This fertilizer salesman kills his wife and baby, and then tried to sell the bullsh*t he didn't do it. Well, now he'll be pushing up the daisies, himself, sooner rather than later.

CreepingDeth · Dec 13, 2004, 06:04 PM

0wned.

waxcrash · Dec 13, 2004, 06:07 PM

Is it just me, or does he look like Ben Affleck?

CreepingDeth · Dec 13, 2004, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by waxcrash:
Is it just me, or does he look like Ben Affleck?

Kind of. But he looks like a remorseless statue.

Shaddim · Dec 13, 2004, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by waxcrash:
Is it just me, or does he look like Ben Affleck?

Yeah, he does. Maybe Ben will play him in the upcoming film...

Edit. Oh, BTW, glad to hear the jury's verdict and sentence. It's exactly what needs to happen.

CreepingDeth · Dec 13, 2004, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Yeah, he does. Maybe Ben will play him in the upcoming film...

Hey, at least we won't be getting this like we did with the Mumia crap.

Mastrap · Dec 13, 2004, 06:53 PM

The death penalty is murder, sanctioned by law.

By allowing it to exist we lower ourselves onto the level of the criminal we claim to have the moral right to punish. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Life imprisonment without parole I can understand - some people need to be kept away from society for good.

ManOfSteal · Dec 13, 2004, 06:58 PM

mdc · Dec 13, 2004, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by Mastrap:
The death penalty is murder, sanctioned by law.

By allowing it to exist we lower ourselves onto the level of the criminal we claim to have the moral right to punish. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Life imprisonment without parole I can understand - some people need to be kept away from society for good.

"some people need to be kept away from society for good"
can't say i don't agree with you. i think the death penalty is harsh, but if you ask me the people are definitely going to be "kept away from society for good"

Skip Breakfast · Dec 13, 2004, 06:58 PM

The death penalty is murder, sanctioned by law.

By allowing it to exist we lower ourselves onto the level of the criminal we claim to have the moral right to punish. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Life imprisonment without parole I can understand - some people need to be kept away from society for good.

Go write about it in politics. This pro-capital punishment advocate doesn't need to hear it here.

xi_hyperon · Dec 13, 2004, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Yeah, he does. Maybe Ben will play him in the upcoming film...

Heh. One bad actor portraying another.

Psychonaut · Dec 13, 2004, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by Mastrap:
The death penalty is murder, sanctioned by law.

By allowing it to exist we lower ourselves onto the level of the criminal we claim to have the moral right to punish. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Life imprisonment without parole I can understand - some people need to be kept away from society for good.

And the tax-payer burden of most death penalty sentences (with the countless appeals and all) are higher than the cost of locking them up for life.

Though doubtless, another inmate would have taken care of him.

the_glassman · Dec 13, 2004, 07:04 PM

Kill'em all! Let god sort them out.

Super Nova · Dec 13, 2004, 07:04 PM

What is worse? lethal injection, or life in prison..... I would kill myself if i spent the rest of my life in prison. The lethal injection just gives a person an easy way out. I think that the worst punishment would be life in solitary confinement, then once the person is insane and no longer in his right mind, then give him the lethal injection. Some might think that its inhumane, but what this guy did was totally horrible

SuperNova

Spliffdaddy · Dec 13, 2004, 07:06 PM

It's quite difficult to accidentally pre-meditate and carry-out a murder.

Not something you'd just happen to get caught-up in during a boring saturday afternoon.

Don't fret, folks. We ain't out to fry everyone.

CreepingDeth · Dec 13, 2004, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by the_glassman:
Kill'em all! Let god sort them out.

Boo hoo. See you at the injection room, scotty boy.

If people are so afraid of life in prison, why do they always try to get the death penalty off the table? Life in prison gets you some privileges, since you're there for the long haul.

Shaddim · Dec 13, 2004, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by xi_hyperon:
Heh. One bad actor portraying another.

You definitely read my mind.

olePigeon · Dec 13, 2004, 07:39 PM

He got it off easy. Lethal injection is the best way to go outside of guillotine. For whatever reason, guillotine was banned in the Americas. Bah.

Shaddim · Dec 13, 2004, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by Psychonaut:
And the tax-payer burden of most death penalty sentences (with the countless appeals and all) are higher than the cost of locking them up for life.

Though doubtless, another inmate would have taken care of him.

You're right, we need to do it more efficiently. A .30-06 round costs less than a buck. Give the convicted a year for filing appeals. However, after that appeals process has run it's course, and if the verdict has been withheld, take them behind the jail and have a marksman relieve them of their gray matter. Much simpler.

nredman · Dec 13, 2004, 07:48 PM

maybe in another 2-3 years we won't have to hear about this case every other day. but i doubt it

Psychonaut · Dec 13, 2004, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
You're right, we need to do it more efficiently. A .30-06 round costs less than a buck. Give the convicted a year for filing appeals. However, after that appeals process has run it's course, and if the verdict has been withheld, take them behind the jail and have a marksman relieve them of their gray matter. Much simpler.

We have him, he's in custody, he recieved a fair trial, he was found guilty, and he'll never kill again. What more do you want?

Would you propose the same to a man who has, after years on death row, been exonerated by DNA testing or by a recanting witness?

Hey, let's bring back lynching while you're at it.

Spliffdaddy · Dec 13, 2004, 08:13 PM

We'll be hearing about it for a while.

After all, it's evidence that a fetus is a human being in the eyes of the law.

CreepingDeth · Dec 13, 2004, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by Psychonaut:
We have him, he's in custody, he recieved a fair trial, he was found guilty, and he'll never kill again. What more do you want?

For him to suffer years on death row, in confinement, thinking about what he has done and his impending death. Aww, poor boy killed 2 people. Let's make a trade now.

SouthPaW1227 · Dec 13, 2004, 08:36 PM

I support the death penalty FULLY, and if he's guilty I'd hope for it.

But I have such a hard time trusting our legal system now...it's the perfect setup. Man's wife dies w/ the baby inside, I mean before you hear ANYTHING ELSE you already want the husband to die, regardless of whether he did it or not. I haven't watched a minute of this so I have heard no reactions from either side, but I just don't trust our legal system. I hope they're right.

CreepingDeth · Dec 13, 2004, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by SouthPaW1227:
I support the death penalty FULLY, and if he's guilty I'd hope for it.

But I have such a hard time trusting our legal system now...it's the perfect setup. Man's wife dies w/ the baby inside, I mean before you hear ANYTHING ELSE you already want the husband to die, regardless of whether he did it or not. I haven't watched a minute of this so I have heard no reactions from either side, but I just don't trust our legal system. I hope they're right.

Yeah, who knows what else he could have been using that cement and blood for.

Super Nova · Dec 13, 2004, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by olePigeon:
He got it off easy. Lethal injection is the best way to go outside of guillotine. For whatever reason, guillotine was banned in the Americas. Bah.

Exactly

SuperNova

itai195 · Dec 13, 2004, 08:52 PM

I still have a hard enough time believing he's guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, so I can't believe the jury recommended the death penalty. Yet another example of why we should abolish capital punishment IMO. If Peterson is guilty and deserves death, then I don't know what OJ deserves...

the_glassman · Dec 13, 2004, 09:13 PM

I would hire OJ to find the real killer.

yukon · Dec 13, 2004, 09:19 PM

Not quite sure what to say to the above posts, though I have an opinion on the death penalty ("Thau Shalt Not Kill (, unless the victim has probably killed [death penalty] (or is a real or imagined enemy of the state [war] (and/or is mentally retarded [texas] (, or we'd all just be a lot happier with them dead [JS Mill]))))", if anything it's at least not a jewish/christian position).

I was more surprised by the phrasing of what I heard on CNN, not quite sure who said it, "Some members of the jury wanted to hear from Peterson, they wanted to hear him plead for his life". CNN replays stuff endlessly so anyone wantind to hear that probably will.

Shaddim · Dec 13, 2004, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by Psychonaut:
We have him, he's in custody, he recieved a fair trial, he was found guilty, and he'll never kill again. What more do you want?

Would you propose the same to a man who has, after years on death row, been exonerated by DNA testing or by a recanting witness?

Hey, let's bring back lynching while you're at it.

Never kill again? Really, do tell? You can see that? And if he "greases" a tax evader while he's in prison, that's just the way of things, eh?

He was more than adequately represented, and will get his appeals, that's quite fair enough.

Lynching? I talk about a fair and legal trial and you bring up tom-foolery like lynching? Way to exaggerate.

Psychonaut · Dec 13, 2004, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Lynching? I talk about a fair and legal trial and you bring up tom-foolery like lynching? Way to exaggerate.

The way you describe an ideal legal system is little more than mob 'justice.'

kcmac · Dec 13, 2004, 09:51 PM

He will merely be a drain on the system. Appeals, etc will keep him alive for most of our lifetimes.

It is what he deserves but if it happens is another matter.

Shaddim · Dec 13, 2004, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by Psychonaut:
The way you describe an ideal legal system is little more than mob 'justice.'

Lets see, one is a legal trial with a legal punishment (death), and the other is most definitely not. A mob doesn't hold to the rule of law, and a mob certainly isn't a jury.

TheBadgerHunter · Dec 14, 2004, 12:50 AM

I personally don't see the problem here or the need for a bunch of people here to call out for some absurd torture or death. He has been convicted and regardless of punishment whats done is done and putting him in solitary or beating him to death isn't going to do anything for anyone.

I agree the system is severely flawed and the sentences ineffectual. I don't think anyone (for or against) would say that the death penalty is effective.

scaught · Dec 14, 2004, 02:35 AM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
You're right, we need to do it more efficiently. A .30-06 round costs less than a buck. Give the convicted a year for filing appeals. However, after that appeals process has run it's course, and if the verdict has been withheld, take them behind the jail and have a marksman relieve them of their gray matter. Much simpler.

you would want to live in a society that dispensed justice in such a way?

that is frightening.

yukon · Dec 14, 2004, 03:22 AM

Perhaps it is kinder actually, than strapping the person on to a cold surgical table or chair, and poisoning them in front of their friends/family/"enemies".....sitting on death row for a decade or two, if every cell in their body has been replaced a few times over perhaps it's possible for a person to change or reform after such a period of time.

BTW, the guillotine was somewhat efficient, especially for time/preparation, though it was a lot for show. There were still problems, like the blade not cutting all the way through...there are still "complications" like that with current methods.

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Dec 14, 2004, 03:30 AM

So what is the fascination everyone has with this case anyway?

mixin visuals · Dec 14, 2004, 03:38 AM

Originally posted by AB^2=BCxAC:
This fertilizer salesman kills his wife and baby, and then tried to sell the bullsh*t he didn't do it. Well, now he'll be pushing up the daisies, himself, sooner rather than later.

hehehe that is a very good slant on the whole ordeal actually! good stuff

Shaddim · Dec 14, 2004, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by scaught:
you would want to live in a society that dispensed justice in such a way?

that is frightening.

Absolutely, that's what I'm working towards.

DBursey · Dec 14, 2004, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Absolutely, that's what I'm working towards.

Ahh, moving to mainland China, are we?

Shaddim · Dec 14, 2004, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by DBursey:
Ahh, moving to mainland China, are we?

Nope. If I wanted socialism, I'd just move up north and live with the idiots in Canada.

DBursey · Dec 14, 2004, 11:57 AM

Well, we do have a few idiots (doesn't everyone?), but sorry; no socialists here (nor does China; they're communists.)

I guess world affairs isn't your strong suit.

Millennium · Dec 14, 2004, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by nredman:
maybe in another 2-3 years we won't have to hear about this case every other day. but i doubt it

Given how long the tabloids have strung out the JonBenet Ramsey case, I doubt it too.

Dakar · Dec 14, 2004, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Nope. If I wanted socialism, I'd just move up north and live with the idiots in Canada.

Someone's irritable today. Try not to take the idiots in the Atheism thread to heart, eh?

Shaddim · Dec 14, 2004, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by Dakar:
Someone's irritable today. Try not to take the idiots in the Atheism thread to heart, eh?

Nah, I'm irritable every day.

Just having fun with the Canucks.

Millennium · Dec 14, 2004, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by scaught:
you would want to live in a society that dispensed justice in such a way?

that is frightening.

I'd give a somewhat longer appeals process, and I'd train better public defenders, but otherwise yes; that's more or less how I'd do it. It's called justice. We could lock the man up for life, but that isn't what he deserves. Is it more costly? Perhaps, though frankly I don't buy the figures that are commonly bandied about. Even if it is, though, that doesn't matter much. Justice isn't always pleasant.

DBursey · Dec 14, 2004, 12:07 PM

Nah, I'm irritable every day.

Just having fun with the Canucks.

Not half the fun as actually having a clue about that which you babble!